Detective Pikachu Mewtwo/Pikachu downgrade

[Ayewale]

Apparently Mewtwo is stated as City level due to this hilariously awful line of logic: -The mountain-sized Torterra's in the movie were, well, large enough to have gigantic mountainscapes on their backs. -Mewtwo was stated to be the strongest Pokemon ever by a 9-C Pokemon who is not particularly smart. -Therefore, Mewtwo has more destructive capability than the Torterra, whose destructive capability would really (by scenes we see in the movie) come from just their sheer size.

This is really dumb. There's no evidence to suggest that Mewtwo has anything near the equal destructive capacity of the Mountain-sized Torterras. In fact, we don't even know the power of the mountain-sized torterras: the only thing they do in the movie is wake-up, shake their head, and go back to sleep.

I propose that Mewtwo be nerfed down to 9-B durability, attack potency and striking strength due to him being far superior to Detective Pikachu. I also propose nerfing Detective Pikachu himself to only wall-level durability/AP.

 

[Eficiente]

The correct way to inform the info the profile gives would have been to mention the statement Mewtwo had and that it in turn makes him above those Torterras, instead the profile just presents Mewtwo being stronger than them as a fact.

The arrogance there is a good example of what not to do.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

As far as Detective Pikachu Mewtwo himself goes, his page should be straight up deleted in general and just add his stuff onto Mewtwo's composite page.

Detective Pikachu is already confirmed to have taken place in the same Pokemon Multiverse, it is not its own seperate thing. So there is absolutely no reaso why Mewtwos stats from this movie should be any different from any other Mewtwo in the first place.

 

[Eficiente]

Yeah, I was wondering why our composite Mewtwo didn't have his soul hax.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Kukui's right. Believe it or not, movie has been stated to be canon.

 

[Zeifyl]

If the movie is canon, why do they even have separate profiles?

Shouldn't the new stuff just be moved to the already established profiles, then?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It should. That's Kukui's suggestion.

 

[Zeifyl]

Seems fair to me.

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, every Pokémon media taking place inside the multiverse is just the natural order of things, but this one was outright stated to do so?

 

[Eficiente]

every Pokémon media taking place inside the multiverse is just the natural order of things

I'm tempted to ask but I know I'm not gonna like the response.

 

[Ayewale]

So Detective Pikachu Mewtwo = Wider Pokemon Multiverse Mewtwo? That's very odd. Could I get a link referencing the statement saying that Detective Pikachu is canon?

and while we are at it, Pokemon has various separate canons, as stated on the bulbapedia page, so what exactly is Detective Pikachu canon for?


Also, I think adding Detective P Mewtwo to Composite Mewtwo is very strange. His stats are so wildly different from normal Mewtwo's stats that it wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Bowser-us]

I agree with that. Even if Torterra is stronger than Mewtwo, he still poses less danger to humanity

 

[Kiryu2012]

I agree with the OP.

 

[Bowser-us]

Pokemon Detective pikachu psyduck blast movie scene

we also have a feat from Psyduck!
he must be weaker than Mewtwo

 

[Ayewale]

A lot of people seem to agree with me here. Are any knowleageable sources disagreeing.

 

[Cropfist]

You don't realize AP and DC are different.

 

[Imaginym]

Pokemon Detective pikachu psyduck blast movie scene

we also have a feat from Psyduck!
he must be weaker than Mewtwo

I mean, Psyduck is already among the Pokemon that we scale to 8-A based on evolutionary stages, among a few other, less weighted factors. (And if you're wondering why 8-A, IIRC, it's because of moves like Twister, Earth Power, & various anime feats & such. The system is also in part, used so that Pokemon can have consistent ratings. It's very inconsistent.)

I forget where, but there may be a more-or-less up-to-date blog about Pokemon tiering somewhere.

Anyway, while that feat is impressive to watch, as a feat.... 3 Greninja is 120 kilograms, total.

For comparison, here's an outdated calculation where an explosion launches 300 kilograms a distance of 1.33 kilometers: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Golem_Leaps_Between_Mountains

That's more mass than those Greninja, & probably more distance than they were sent, & it's only Wall Level.

And I doubt the dust that radiates out so far in a ring helps enough either.


So unless I missed something, I doubt it's something our Wiki would consider impressive as a feat for any of the Pokemon involved, sorry to say.

 

[Blademan9999]

There's this https://gfycat.com/medicalkeenhamster

 

[Bowser-us]

bump

 

[Bowser-us]

Bump?

 

[Agnaa]

Now that the page has been deleted, have the abilities from that Mewtwo's profile been added to the main Mewtwo profile?

Also, Detective Pikachu's tier 7 needs to be removed.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am not sure yet but here is the source code of the deleted page if needed:


{{Tab2|maintext=Mewtwo|link1=Mewtwo|tab1=Original|link2=Mewtwo (Detective Pikachu)|tab2=Detective Pikachu}}[[File:Mewtwo_Detective_Pikachu.jpg|right|400px]]

{{Quote|Humanity is evil, but you have shown me that not all humans are bad.|Mewtwo speaking to Harry Goodman}}

==Summary==
'''Mewtwo''' is the Genetic Pokemon, created by an unknown organization 20 years ago. Later, He was later recaptured by Harry Goodman, who was sent by Howard Clifford. However, Mewtwo was later freed by Harry and [[Detective Pikachu|his Pikachu]]. After Howard sent a trio of Greninja after Harry, leaving him just barely alive, Mewtwo saved Harry's life by wiping his Pikachu's memory and transferring Harry's mind and soul into his Pikachu. He was sought by Howard due to his ability to fuse Pokemon and humans together, an act he saw as bringing out the best in humanity.

==Powers and Stats==
'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:''' At least '''7-B'''

'''Name:''' Mewtwo

'''Origin:''' [[Pokemon]]: Detective Pikachu

'''Gender:''' Unknown (Male Voiced)

'''Age:''' At least 20 years old

'''Classification:''' Pokemon, Experiment, Clone of Mew

'''Powers and Abilities:''' [[Superhuman Physical Characteristics]], [[Telekinesis|Psychokinesis]], [[Flight]], [[Energy Projection]], [[Memory Manipulation]], [[Soul Manipulation|Soul]] & [[Mind Manipulation|Mind Transfer/Seperation]] (Only works when the opponent is in [https://gfycat.com/informalimpressionablecrane a crazed or mental incapacitated state]), Limited [[Electricity Manipulation]], [[Healing]], [[Resistance]] to extreme temperatures ([https://gfycat.com/medicalkeenhamster Flew through an exploding Pikachu balloon with no difficulty])

'''[[Attack Potency]]:''' At least '''City level''' (Superior to the experimented Torterras, who are large enough to hold mountains on their backs)

'''[[Speed]]:''' At least '''Subsonic''' (Able to move up and down skyscrapers in seconds), likely '''higher''' (Flew through large sections of Ryme City within seconds)

'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' Likely '''Class M'''

'''[[Striking Strength]]:''' At least '''City Class'''

'''[[Durability]]:''' At least '''City level'''

'''[[Stamina]]:''' High

'''[[Range]]:''' Standard melee range, Kilometers with psychic abilities

'''[[Standard Equipment]]:''' None

'''[[Intelligence]]:''' Above Average

'''Weaknesses:''' Has been shown to become incapacitated by forms of electricity.

'''[[Feats]]:''' [https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/cdr14q/respect_mewtwo_pokemon_detective_pikachu/ Respect thread]

==Others==
'''Notable Victories:'''

'''Notable Losses:'''

'''Inconclusive Matches:'''
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[Elizhaa]

I handled both.

 

[Ionliosite]

Actually, why do we have the Detective Pikachu page? Shouldn't it just scale to all other Pikachu?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Actually, why do we have the Detective Pikachu page? Shouldn't it just scale to all other Pikachu?

Can't believe I didn't mention this before either.

Pikachu should be the same as Mewtwo, so IDEK why we even need a Detective Pikachu page. It's not a special pikachu, just a regular pikachu given Harry's soul but then becomes a regular pikachu again at the end of the movie.

 

[Ionliosite]

So we should delete that page too?

 

[Ionliosite]

So we should delete that page too?

^^

 

[Kiryu2012]

Actually, why do we have the Detective Pikachu page? Shouldn't it just scale to all other Pikachu?

Detective Pikachu is clearly set in its own world and shouldn't scale to the canon Pokemon verse.

 

[Ionliosite]

Pikachu should be the same as Mewtwo, so IDEK why we even need a Detective Pikachu page. It's not a special pikachu, just a regular pikachu given Harry's soul but then becomes a regular pikachu again at the end of the movie.

Read this

 

[Cropfist]

That does not deal with it being seperate from mainstream pikachus entirely.

 

[Ionliosite]

Kukui is saying that Pikachu is the same as Mewtwo. If we already deleted Mewtwo's profile, why do we keep Pikachu's?

 

[Cropfist]

Because it's not the same.

 

[Ionliosite]

Why it's not the same? That thing is literally a regular Pikachu with a man's soul, and then lost that soul anyway.

 

[Blademan9999]

It's a different continuity, one where pokemon are clearly not a strong as they are in other continuities.

 

[Agnaa]

It's a different continuity, one where pokemon are clearly not a strong as they are in other continuities.

So you disagree with the earlier consensus of the thread? (where it was agreed that the pokemon are as strong as they are in other continuities, and thus the Mewtwo profile should be deleted)

Meaning that you think the Mewtwo profile should be restored?

 

[Ionliosite]

But then why we deleted Mewtwo's profile? I'm going to quote Kukui's first post here:

As far as Detective Pikachu Mewtwo himself goes, his page should be straight up deleted in general and just add his stuff onto Mewtwo's composite page.

Detective Pikachu is already confirmed to have taken place in the same Pokemon Multiverse, it is not its own seperate thing. So there is absolutely no reaso why Mewtwos stats from this movie should be any different from any other Mewtwo in the first place.

Now, give a counter argument, and if Detective Pikachu stays, then Mewtwo should be back.

 

[Cropfist]

Detective Pikachu is blatantly its own thing. Its story contradicts that of the games, the pokemon are nowhere near their game scale, and the official statement is an offhand comment not supported by anything else.

 

[Ionliosite]

THEN WHY WE DELETED MEWTWO'S PROFILE? Give me the reasoning Mewtwo gets yeeted but Pikachu stays.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's a specific Pikachu with vastly superior deductive skills, characterization and oh...ITS OWN MOVIE.

 

[Ionliosite]

But why we deleted Mewtwo's profile then?