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Detective Pikachu Mewtwo/Pikachu downgrade

That being? Mewtwo Strikes Back!Mewtwo and that other one are different characters, but it's not like it really matters, given how Pokémon profiles work.
 
Ionliosite said:
THEN WHY WE DELETED MEWTWO'S PROFILE? Give me the reasoning Mewtwo gets yeeted but Pikachu stays.
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I kinda get the impression that Cropfist doesn't think Mewtwo's profile should have been deleted.
 
He is a normal Pikachu in every single way. The only difference is having a human's soul, which doesn't affect its power at all, and loses it at the end of the movie anyway.
 
Cropfist said:
Detective Pikachu is blatantly its own thing. Its story contradicts that of the games, the pokemon are nowhere near their game scale, and the official statement is an offhand comment not supported by anything else.
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The real cal howard:
It's a specific Pikachu with vastly superior deductive skills, characterization and oh...ITS OWN MOVIE.
 
That... doesn't contradict what I just said. The detective skill is because of the human, and the first post didn't save Mewtwo.
 
Crop's wrong for one major reason. It's not connected to the games but to the anime. Also yeah. Some random on the internet's words overwrite that of the people behind the movie. What clout does Crop have to say what is and isn't canon over the directors?
 
While our general Pikachu profile is for the Pikachu species at its wild, Lv 100 trait-neutral state, Ash's Pikachu is the one especially trained by Ash Ketchum, and Detective Pikachu is for the specific Pikachu (which is not necessarily Lv 100 and is trained by Harry Goodman whose soul is fused into by the specific Mewtwo in the same movie.

At least three different Pikachu profiles here bro.
 
Then explain me, why was Mewtwo's profile yeeted again? Oh, yeah

ProfessorKukui4Life said:
As far as Detective Pikachu Mewtwo himself goes, his page should be straight up deleted in general and just add his stuff onto Mewtwo's composite page.

Detective Pikachu is already confirmed to have taken place in the same Pokemon Multiverse, it is not its own seperate thing. So there is absolutely no reaso why Mewtwos stats from this movie should be any different from any other Mewtwo in the first place.
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And aside from that, we also have this:

ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Pikachu should be the same as Mewtwo, so IDEK why we even need a Detective Pikachu page. It's not a special pikachu, just a regular pikachu given Harry's soul but then becomes a regular pikachu again at the end of the movie.
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So why is the reason Detective Pikachu can stay?
 
The real cal howard said:
Crop's wrong for one major reason. It's not connected to the games but to the anime. Also yeah. Some random on the internet's words overwrite that of the people behind the movie. What clout does Crop have to say what is and isn't canon over the directors?
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The same clout we had to say over DBZ Kai and MLP comic's canonicity, or any other author statement that contradicted the showings, and it has nothing to do with the anime.
 
They have even better evidence (physical) than WoG that gets thrown out all the time? Yes.

Next we should use Super Mario Bros. 2 even though it's a dream because Mario "has no canon"
 
And the Mewtwo from Detective Pikachu has far weaker feats than our normal Mewtwo profile. Should that profile be restored?
 
Oh my goodness this thread has gone off-track. I don't think we're here to talk about Mewtwo constantly, and that's like the only thing I've seen mentioned i.e. (if x exists, why doesn't y?). I think it's gotten a bit old.

On another note, there's also the contents of the original post:

Ayewale said:
Apparently Mewtwo is stated as City level due to this hilariously awful line of logic:
-The mountain-sized Torterra's in the movie were, well, large enough to have gigantic mountainscapes on their backs. -Mewtwo was stated to be the strongest Pokemon ever by a 9-C Pokemon who is not particularly smart. -Therefore, Mewtwo has more destructive capability than the Torterra, whose destructive capability would really (by scenes we see in the movie) come from just their sheer size.

This is really dumb. There's no evidence to suggest that Mewtwo has anything near the equal destructive capacity of the Mountain-sized Torterras. In fact, we don't even know the power of the mountain-sized torterras: the only thing they do in the movie is wake-up, shake their head, and go back to sleep.

I propose that Mewtwo be nerfed down to 9-B durability, attack potency and striking strength due to him being far superior to Detective Pikachu. I also propose nerfing Detective Pikachu himself to only wall-level durability/AP.
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Is this fine?
 
The real cal howard said:
Cropfist said:
And that's definitely not an illogical problem at all whatsoever
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Because it's not like a character got their most iconic ability from that game, right? And it's not like any recurring characters actually debuted in that, right? I mean Bomb-Ombs? Shy Guys? Ninjis? What are those?
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What's your point, they're canon because they still appeared afterwards in real stories. Wart's complete further absence proves the game events itself are fictional
 
Ayewale said:
Oh my goodness this thread has gone off-track. I don't think we're here to talk about Mewtwo constantly, and that's like the only thing I've seen mentioned i.e. (if x exists, why doesn't y?). I think it's gotten a bit old.

On another note, there's also the contents of the original post:

Is this fine?
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I mean, we've moved onto this because the OP's been rendered redundant since Mewtwo's page was deleted. We can't just downgrade it to 9-B now, we'd have to restore the page as well.
 
Agnaa said:
And the Mewtwo from Detective Pikachu has far weaker feats than our normal Mewtwo profile. Should that profile be restored?
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Neither Mewtwo nor Pikachu have anything implying they're below the average for their species. If anything, Pikachu's profile should go to given there's nothing about it that makes it different from the average Pikachu in terms of power.
 
Jasonsith said:
Well using the example from The Joker (Arthur Fleck), because Detective Pikachu is significantly weaker than the standard wild Lv 100 Pikachu and the Pikachu (Anime) that Ash raised and is one interpretation of the Pikachu in the Pokemon omniverse, he deserves a profile of himself.
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By that logic, every single trained Pikachu should have a profile too. And Arthur is completely different from all other Jokers, so that's besides the point.
 
By that logic, every single trained Pikachu should have a profile too. And Arthur is completely different from all other Jokers, so that's besides the point.

They should. If people can have the patience to make such.

(Oh my there are a lot of other characters who should have a profile here but they just do not because no people have the love and time to create such.)

The problem is the profiles are created by real people among whom may not make profiles in 100% accordance with our site rules, and real people like us all have a day job (studying or working whatever).
 
I think it's asking a whole ******* lot of people to start harrassing the site for not adding the profiles for every single trained pikachu, most of which will most likely end up with generic ratings scaling from some other mon.

Yah, screw off a bit.
 
Ayewale said:
ditto
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Pikachu is not the only character suffering from this issue. Your concern is being raised when people have argued for deleting/allowing composite characters here.

To simplify (for me): treat Detective Pikachu like Arthur Fleck, or treat him like composite Godzilla?

Ya talk to you more - I need to go to work now, IRL.
 
@Ayewale No-one's harassing the site though.

@Jasonsith There's big differences between Detective Pikachu, Arthur Fleck, and Composite Godzilla though, your analogies aren't useful.
 
Well the current profile of a Pokemon species suggests a wild Lv 100 unit of a species, with optimal skills for fighting that can be acquired by itself.

The Detective Pikachu raised by Harry and Tim Goodman is much weaker and has some personalities. It pretty much serves as a character of its own. I am still of my opinion that the profile of this DP should stay.

If a sudden appearance of profiles of multiple Pikachus raised by different trainers is your only concern, then I can say most people are smart enough to know which characters are notable enough to create a separate profile. We should be more worried why some other notable characters do not have a profile here yet.

Any normie could easily differentiate among a wild Pikachu, Ash's Pikachu and Detective Pikachu.
 
There's still a disagreement here tho, we can't delete it yet.

I don't really care either way, but no broad consensus has been reached.
 
We don't really need more mobs, Kukui's argument is basically enough of a reason to delete the profile.

Can't believe I didn't mention this before either.

Pikachu should be the same as Mewtwo, so IDEK why we even need a Detective Pikachu page. It's not a special pikachu, just a regular pikachu given Harry's soul but then becomes a regular pikachu again at the end of the movie.
 
Well Jason and Cal disagree.

So Kukui and Ion agreeing isn't enough for deletion.
 
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