A bit of derailment, but anyway, what is your reason to think both are dumb things? Mainly "passive<immeasurable" cause i really agree with this making no sense, but most users seem to disagree with me.
Well there are several ways you can argue how passives would affect immeasurables logically speaking.
1. Immeasurable speed is glorified time travel. So in a sense even if you run to the past, the passive would still be there, so if i passively kill people in my area, if you go back 1 day ago, you'd still die because the past version of me also has that. (doesn't apply to all types of passives)
2. Immeasurable speed characters would still be affected by a passive even before they decide to go back in time, because the passive would still be there before he even decides to move in the first place. (doesn't apply to all types of passives)
Most of these issues stem from the fact that people seem to think of passive as speed, which is not. Passive is a method of activation, in other words "it's always there" saying you outrun a passive, is like saying you outrun a spatially omnipresent being (omnipresent through space, not time). You can say "ok but an omnipresent cannot go back in time", but that doesn't mean you can outrun it because it is not speed, it is a state of being. THOUGH disclaimer this would depend on the type of passive, if you have passives like radiation, heat, light idk all that kind of stuff, then Immeasurable does beat it because all of those would seem stopped in front of it, those are all just waves, really fast waves but waves. So if it is something like that Immeasurable will beat it clean, however if your passive is sth like the Desperado thing (where you look at it and your fate says "don't do it fam") then immeasurable will not beat it.
To decide what can or cannot be beaten by Immeasurable just see whether the passive ability's effect includes any form of movement. In the case of radiation or heat, it does include movement because the waves need to travel, in the 2nd case there is no movement required.
I tried to explain it in simple terms, i hope it's clear.
isn't really possible, PoM can affect people more acausal than Edel, so it would eventually create a miracle to allow Rhinomon to win, and even if for some reason PoM can't help to defeat Edel, it will still protect him from the Desperado hax, meaning the next thing they would use is what would decide the winner.
Yeah, the fate can affect edel, but edel can do the same. So the fate keeps on rewriting itself.
