Denying/Erasing the concept of regeneration or immortality?

[Rikimarox2]

Pretty much the title. I'm sure there was a question like this asked before, but might as well.

Let's say character A can regenerate from having his soul and mind erased, but Character B just denies or erases the concept of regeneration, immortality and reincarnation. As such, A is not able to regenerate.

Would that work against someone with High-Godly regeneration, or Higher dimensional Immortality? Or is it just limited to the showings of the verse?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump

 

[Planck69]

Limited to showings. I'm fairly sure that High-Godly regeneration would allow one to regenerate from this by a, unless they're shown to be affected.

 

[FinePoint]

High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist.

High-Godly can regenerate from conceptual destruction.

 

[DeathNoodles]

All completely dependent on how good the Regeneration Negation is. In this case, to be able to affect High-Godly Regeneration, the character would need to show conceptual Regeneration Negation on that High-Godly scale. If they don't have this showing, then they aren't assumed to be able to negate regeneration on a scale higher than what they have shown to negate by default. In this case, it's better to assume the best level regeneration that character has negated with denying/erasing the concept of regeneration rather than assuming it deals with all levels of general regeneration (which would be a NLF), so Regeneration Negation at the level of regeneration that Character A has shown.

So it completely depends. High-Godly Regeneration does not cover being able to resist the level of your own regeneration being nullified, it only covers the complete erasure of something like your own abstract concept that defines with your existence, so having a good enough Regeneration Negation that nullifies High-Godly Regeneration can in fact nullify High-Godly Regeneration characters provided that they don't have resistance to High-Godly Regeneration Negation, unlike what some of the other users here said.

High-Godly being able to regenerate from conceptual destruction is all fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean a character could resist High-Godly Regeneration Negation or conceptual manipulation that otherwise inhibits their regeneration outside of erasing existences (as having your own existence erased is not the same as having your regeneration bypassed/nullified) until they have shown explicit evidence of having such resistances.

 

[Rikimarox2]

What about the immortality part? Would that also depend on showing?

Assume a character denies a normal human immortality from an actual higher dimensional god (Low 1-C), would that only extend to Low 1-C, or would that work on all immoralities, regardless if said immortality was granted by a higher tiered character?

 

[DeathNoodles]

Same thing applies for immortalities. Ultimately based on the character’s feats of immortality negation.

The immortality types negated by that character would be assumed to be the only type of immortalities that the character has shown to negate.

If a character nullified Immortality type 6 for example, then it can only be assumed that character can negate type 6 immortality as that’s the only type they’ve shown to negate, thus they can’t do things such as negating Immortality type 8 as that’s a different type of Immortality than the one the character negated.

Immortality Negation should also be similarly restricted on the highest dimensional tier the character has shown to negate. If character C has only shown to negate Type 5 Immortality from a Low 1-C being for example, then their maximum limit should be Low 1-C for negating Type 5 Immortality, thus character C can’t do things such as negate Type 5 Immortality from a 1-B character for example as that 1-B character completely and beyond infinitely transcends the potency Character C has ever shown to negate as 1-B is dimensionally tiers beyond anything a mere Low 1-C capability could do to it.

Thus, just like Regeneration Negation, a character’s Immortality Negation is limited by the dimensional tier of the Immortalities they have shown to negate (and are also limited by the types of Immortalities they have ever shown to negate).