[Demon Slayer] Doma's Physicals

[BestMGQScalerEver]

On a side note, quirks from MHA are considered to be a Non-physical Energy System, and they’re almost the same as BDAs, each character in the series has a different quirk with different abilities, and DS demons are pretty much the same, every demon possess a different BDA with different abilities. Although BDAs are likely closer to an UES than quirks, since they have a fairly common origin, which is Muzan’s blood and the same resources (blood) makes them stronger. So, if quirks are a Non-physical Energy System, then BDAs should also be considered as such because of the huge similarity.

Don't quirks y'know actually expend energy? Meanwhile BDAs aren't expending blood.

Plus whataboutism so L + Ratio + RIP Bozo

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Yeah, something taking a set amount of energy to create doesn't mean said thing attacks with that level of energy [...]

Well, the Creation Feats page says the opposite:

For example, it can be reasoned that a mage which expends mana from its energy pool to make a city and then channels a similar or greater amount of mana into another attack can scale to its creation feat.

[...] nor does it mean their durability scales to it unless we're explicitly told so or UES is involved

Most likely agree, but think of this: Say A is a mage who can blast a Building level energy beam, now A fires this beam at character B, but B stops this attacks with his bare fist, meaning that B has a Building level striking strength. Now B punches A, and A survives, therefore A has a Building level durability even though he doesn't automatically scale from his AP.

 

[BadSystems]

The mana thing is just an example, the actual important part is that Doma's abilities are connected and powered by a common power system, which is his BDA, this is simply a fact, so it meets the requirements on the Creation Feat page.

The common power system actually has to have some kind of energy aspect to it, isn't that the point?

Why wouldn't they be connected if they're literally being powered by a common energy system? In fact, when Doma created his ice sculpture it was explicitly stated that he still had a lot of strength left, and Doma himself said his clones' abilities were as powerful as his own.

Because the creation of the sculpture and the power of the sculpture are not related. Maybe all of Douma's ice attacks are similar in power, but that has nothing to do with the energy needed to create the ice attacks. Temperature change /=/ AP.

Then the demons durability just scale to the energy output of their BDAs, with some extra steps of course.

They'd scale to the AP of BDA attacks they're actually shown to be physically relative to.

Nope, they're different manifestations of a single power system, Doma's BDA.



On a side note, quirks from MHA are considered to be a Non-physical Energy System, and they’re almost the same as BDAs, each character in the series has a different quirk with different abilities, and DS demons are pretty much the same, every demon possess a different BDA with different abilities. Although BDAs are likely closer to an UES than quirks, since they have a fairly common origin, which is Muzan’s blood and the same resources (blood) makes them stronger. So, if quirks are a Non-physical Energy System, then BDAs should also be considered as such because of the huge similarity.

I feel like "Doma's BDA" being said to be a power system is stretching the definition of power system. Also, idk how MHA quirks work so I can't really say anything about that.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Don't quirks y'know actually expend energy? Meanwhile BDAs aren't expending blood.

Kokushibo was literally unable to activate his BDA because of his blood loss .-. Plus BDAs do expend energy, otherwise I wouldn't have been stated that Doma still had a lot of strength left after creating his ice sculpture.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Kokushibo was literally unable to activate his BDA because of his blood loss .-. Plus BDAs do expend energy, otherwise I wouldn't have been stated that Doma still had a lot of strength left after creating his ice sculpture.

But it doesn't seem that they are expending muzans blood in particular or else they would have to ask their daddy muzan for more blood to continue using their BDAs.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Well, the Creation Feats page says the opposite:



Most likely agree, but think of this: Say A is a mage who can blast a Building level energy beam, now A fires this beam at character B, but B stops this attacks with his bare fist, meaning that B has a Building level striking strength. Now B punches A, and A survives, therefore A has a Building level durability even though he doesn't automatically scale from his AP.

The creation feat page is quite literally citing an example of an energy system, something that Blood Demon Arts do not qualify for because the point of an energy system is that a power source is being expended as energy thereby allowing their output to scale to other stats. Demons can suffer severe blood loss and spam their Blood Demon Arts in a fight and still reach new heights of power if Muzan gives them some drops of his blood which makes it more like an Empowerment thing, demons don't start running low on blood and have to ask Muzan for a refill either.

 

[Testarossa002]

Maybe the supporters should make a single post explaining what BDAs are and why it qualifies for NPES

 

[SeijiSetto]

Maybe the supporters should make a single post explaining what BDAs are and why it qualifies for NPES

Perhaps in a new thread.
This has 5 staff approvals, at this point it should be applied and closed.
If there are disagreements, things would be FAR better addressed in a counter-CRT.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Maybe the supporters should make a single post explaining what BDAs are and why it qualifies for NPES

Yeah, this should be handled in a separate thread, we have 6 staff agrees and grace passed ages ago.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

The common power system actually has to have some kind of energy aspect to it, isn't that the point?

Of course demons are getting their energy to power their abilities from somewhere, this “magical energy” doesn’t really has to have a name whatsoever. Quirks don't have any particular energy aspect related to them like some "ki" or "chakra" and they're still considered a NPES.

Because the creation of the sculpture and the power of the sculpture are not related. Maybe all of Douma's ice attacks are similar in power, but that has nothing to do with the energy needed to create the ice attacks. Temperature change /=/ AP.

Um, that's literally denying what's stated in the Creation Feats page :/

They'd scale to the AP of BDA attacks they're actually shown to be physically relative to.

Of course, and Doma's BDA attacks scale from his ice sculpture.

I feel like "Doma's BDA" being said to be a power system is stretching the definition of power system. Also, idk how MHA quirks work so I can't really say anything about that.

Then quirks would also be a stretching the definition of power system. And they work almost the same as BDAs, some magical powers that characters awaken at some point on their lives.

 

[Small_Ophion]

Perhaps in a new thread.
This has 5 staff approvals, at this point it should be applied and closed.
If there are disagreements, things would be FAR better addressed in a counter-CRT.

Agreed, seems better to apply changes and have supporters create a CRT of their own explaining in detail why it should count as a UES. Rather than just these short back and forth replies


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[FelpeXDopZ]

But it doesn't seem that they are expending muzans blood in particular or else they would have to ask their daddy muzan for more blood to continue using their BDAs.

They're obviously expending energy from somewhere, like I said earlier, this is evident as it was stated that Doma still had a lot of strength left after creating his ice sculpture, and the fact that Kokushibo was unable to use his BDA because of blood loss suggests this energy is related to their blood.

 

[chosen]

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So uhh will multiplier be handled in different threads or not

So
I can do the thread myself if so

 

[BadSystems]

Of course demons are getting their energy to power their abilities from somewhere, this “magical energy” doesn’t really has to have a name whatsoever. Quirks don't have any particular energy aspect related to them like some "ki" or "chakra" and they're still considered a NPES.


Um, that's literally denying what's stated in the Creation Feats page :/


Of course, and Doma's BDA attacks scale from his ice sculpture.


Then quirks would also be a stretching the definition of power system. And they work almost the same as BDAs, some magical powers that characters awaken at some point on their lives.

This should probably be discussed on whatever counter-CRT is made tbh. I'll see if I reply there.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

The creation feat page is quite literally citing an example of an energy system, something that Blood Demon Arts do not qualify for because the point of an energy system is that a power source is being expended as energy thereby allowing their output to scale to other stats. Demons can suffer severe blood loss and spam their Blood Demon Arts in a fight and still reach new heights of power if Muzan gives them some drops of his blood which makes it more like an Empowerment thing, demons don't start running low on blood and have to ask Muzan for a refill either.

BDAs are literally a NPES, they simply meet the requirements just fine, plus they are almost the same as quirks, which are already considered to be a NPES.

 

[Dalesean027]

@Damage3245 @Maverick_Zero_X @Tllmbrg @Armorchompy @KingTempest

You all gave input here, Since this has sufficient staff votes can this be applied and closed with the multipler being handled in another thread because its evident some are just going to continue arguing non stop

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Perhaps in a new thread.
This has 5 staff approvals, at this point it should be applied and closed.
If there are disagreements, things would be FAR better addressed in a counter-CRT.

Friendly reminder that the original OP talks about physical stats (striking strength and durability), so AP remains the same for demons and those who somehow scale them.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Friendly reminder that the original OP talks about physical stats (striking strength and durability), so AP remains the same for demons and those who somehow scale them.

There is no NPES in place in the verse for you to be arguing that demons stronger than Doma have their BDA be scaled above the ice sculpture feat.

Make a new thread, please.

 

[SeijiSetto]

On that note, requesting this thread be closed.