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Gonna make this quick given I got that extra hour, as other CRTs for this verse are dead, so might tackle all of them in one:

Spamton and Jevil revisions

These 2 profiles are scanless to the point is scary and bad, especially given that they're easily the most iconic characters of DR.

Spamton

Original profile

Reworked P&A

Changes:
  • Used scans
  • His keys are renamed in "Base" and "NEO"
  • Base - Removed Multiple selves (as nothing says it's a whole other personality independent from Spamton)
  • Base - Changed Technology Manipulation in Hacking and Fusionism
  • Base - Information Manipulation was removed and changed in just Reality Warping
  • NEO - His Regeneration was changed to Low-Mid as he's basically restoring his heart(s), which fits more than High-Low which is only for minor internal damage.
  • NEO - Added SOUL Absorption
Plus something else I'd like to try again is at least a "possibly Infinite" for NEO's stamina. The reason why is that Spamton NEO's "strings" are explicitly called wires, both by himself and the narrator, and the NEO body is even called to be a machine from both Seam and Swatch to. Heck they work pretty much like wires given that Spamton can literally get electricity from these and gets instantly shut down the moment the last wire is snapped.

And apparentely, as even the profile says, the wires are not connected to anything, as it's supported from the fact that Spamton can freely travel anywhere, as shown from him moving from the basement to the fountain in the Snowgrave route despite the door for the basement being way too small for the wires to go through, meaning that those are not connected to any kind of roof.

My main suggestion behind infinite stamina is that as long as his wires are there to supply him, Spamton will always be active, because otherwise his plan to conquer the Cyber World would be nonsensical, as it implies that he'll eventually run out of energy without anything to supply him. Not to mention that there's simply... no reason to assume that the wires would eventually stop giving electricity out of nowhere, given that's simply out wires work. We see them giving energy indefinitely as long as they're not compromised after all (hence if he's given a straight infinite would be better but heh).

Supporting evidence is him trying to outlast Kris with the Bluelight Specil through locking them in a situation where he's basically unbeatable until they get tired and eventually lose.

Also the profile name should be "Spamton G. Spamton". He says that as his full name twice and even the Sweepstakes website refers to him as such.

Jevil

Original profile

Reworked P&A

Changes:
  • More scans
  • Made a resistance tabber to make his profile more readable
  • Made his Longevity a "likely", given that Jevil is generally insane, so him saying a cryptic thing is not that unlikely
  • Removed Chaos Manipulation (he has literally NOTHING that hints at him literally having chaos-related powers)
  • Gave more context to Shapeshifting and Size manipulation
  • Reality Warping and Void Manipulation got mixed
General stuff

SS for Cyber World Darkners

Don't get why they have all kinds of Self Sustenance only because "lol robots".

Type 1 is obvious, so it's ok. Type 2 no because these Darkners literally have food that can even be consumed by the Delta Warriors. Type 3 neither because Queen (the literal ruler and the most advanced one) relies on batteries, which would make nonsensical that her underlings have infinite stamina unlike her.

So yeah... downgrade all of them to Type 1 (and limited Type 3 for Spamton NEO if him having infinite stamina is accepted).

They'll also be downgraded from Infinite to Superhuman due to scaling from Rouxls, given he's a minor boss like them.

Cold Resistance for strong characters

The entire reason behind the rating is them lacking the weakness to ice Berdly has, making them more resistant to ice than him who could not be frozen by IceShock which instantly freezes fodders.

I'd argue that this should not be Cold resistant but just Ice Manipulation resistance, as the current wording on the profiles makes it seem like they're unbothered by just... cold air, when it's clearly not just that.

Characters who rn have this other than Berdly are:
Minor Space Manipulation for playables

Right now it's accepted that Kris has this ability to directly strike the opponent from a distance with melee strikes even if they're far away, however this is not indexed as anything.

First to give more context to the ability, in Deltarune the attacks which are used in gameplay are potrayed as acting the exact same in cutscenes. Some examples:
I think the intent is clear about how the lightners' attacks are potrayed to work exactly like that in actual fights unlike Undertale's way more abstract system (especially given that in Chapter 1 King and fodder Darkners already can use in cutscenes the same attacks you see in the battle mode).

I think this would go under Minor Spatial Manipulation, as I don't think what else would this would be given that Toon Physiology from Looney Tunes has it under this power.

Obviously every playable character should have this (Kris, Susie, Ralsei and Noelle), with Berdly getting a "possibly" as while he never directly showed it as he was never playable, him having this too shouldn't be that far fetched given that almost only Lightners have this (Ralsei being the exception).

Return of Low 7-C for Top tiers

Tried this in another thread but it's so dead that I might try it here tbh.

Original Low 7-C calculation is here. It was downgraded to 8-A based on it not being actual fire (thus making Mach 5 unusable) due to Queen calling attack slow. However context was pretty much taken away from here:
I think that's all? Did not want to make this thread but I noticed that the current state of the profile kinda required it lol.
 
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I think Kris and Ralsei are the only ones that should get the spatial manip thing. When we fight Susie in ch1 she never uses the distant cut like Kris does. This suggests that when she attacks she uses magic like what she uses in her fight. Thus I think this would apply to all monsters with the exception of Ralsei who we simply don't know much about.
 
I think Kris and Ralsei are the only ones that should get the spatial manip thing. When we fight Susie in ch1 she never uses the distant cut like Kris does. This suggests that when she attacks she uses magic like what she uses in her fight. Thus I think this would apply to all monsters with the exception of Ralsei who we simply don't know much about.
Tbh Susie does attack King with the exact same thing she uses in Battle Mode, so that's confusing as hell.
 
I agree on everything except changing Cold Resistance to Ice Resistance, they are basically the same thing, but Cold is more general, resisting Ice attacks is not only Ice Resistance but also resistance to the losi temperature of those attacks, which Cold Resistance does cover.
 
I agree on everything except changing Cold Resistance to Ice Resistance, they are basically the same thing, but Cold is more general, resisting Ice attacks is not only Ice Resistance but also resistance to the losi temperature of those attacks, which Cold Resistance does cover.
You're being fixed on semantics.

Cold literally just means low temperatures, it does not mean being covered by ice instantly. It's like saying "penguins survive in antartica so they can resist a freeze ray", not the same thing.

Plus technically Ice Manipulation is technically more better and direct, it's like listing tanking fire attacks as "resistance to heat" lmao.
 
... We do categorize resisting fire attacks as heat resistance lol.
Ngl this is cap as I noticed these:

I can show way more, but tanking fire is listed as Fire Manip. They should be listed as Ice Manip resistance-wise to be more in line with how this works.
 
It's not consistent as I have found profiles that list it as Heat Resistant such as Azula, but we are going over semantics here, I think Cold Resistance is more accurate but both work.
 
It's not consistent as I have found profiles that list it as Heat Resistant such as Azula, but we are going over semantics here, I think Cold Resistance is more accurate but both work.
Tho shouldn't GIGA Queen also have LS off her throwing the ball?
 
She didn't throw it with her own hands, but she can scale from the Thrash Machine, which did struggle and had to push against the ball for a time.

This count as lifting strength and not only striking strength.
Cool ig. Knew that using just that statement was super iffy tbh.
 
Tbh Susie does attack King with the exact same thing she uses in Battle Mode, so that's confusing as hell.
Imma be real with you, I'd remove the whole thing entirely, but I am too lazy to debate it much. I think that if you fought them and they haven't shown that ability, then they shouldn't have it. In the case of Noelle I'd put her down with Susie and Berdly for using magic to attack.
 
Imma be real with you, I'd remove the whole thing entirely, but I am too lazy to debate it much. I think that if you fought them and they haven't shown that ability, then they shouldn't have it. In the case of Noelle I'd put her down with Susie and Berdly for using magic to attack.
Ngl I just think it comes to wherever the thing is consistent or not (Undertale having a literal battle box in fight was rejected due to it being super inconsistent after all).
What do you think? Dunno what to say there
 
Ngl I just think it comes to wherever the thing is consistent or not (Undertale having a literal battle box in fight was rejected due to it being super inconsistent after all).
I'd say this is inconsistent since the only time we see it be used as you suggest is that one scene with the King and otherwise its simply never used. The best argument I can come up with FOR it is the fact that you can snap Spamton's wires from a distance, although it also kinda falls apart once you consider the fact that you can't push off K. Round's crown or slash Werewire's wires from a distance and have to throw someone at it.
 
There's also the Rouxls fight, they can directly hit him despite being on a boat and separated by acid.
Maybe hit it with a possibly? Like you can come up with such arguments but then I can mention that in the Queen fight she hides behind a literal shield and you cannot hit her despite it blocking in one direction to the point where if you changed your angle slightly, like from Susie's perspective, she'd be wide open.
 
Maybe hit it with a possibly? Like you can come up with such arguments but then I can mention that in the Queen fight she hides behind a literal shield and you cannot hit her despite it blocking in one direction to the point where if you changed your angle slightly, like from Susie's perspective, she'd be wide open.
Tbh we have to count the fact that the game has graphic limitations so it can't show a full 3D POV, and the fact the shield instantly appears the moment the attack starts.

Probably changing angle wouldn't change anything.
 
NEO - His Regeneration was changed to Low-Mid as he's basically restoring his heart(s), which fits more than High-Low which is only for minor internal damage. Removed also the "restores his face" part as it's just not true plus we don't even know if it's his actual face.
This was covered here, including a debunk of the last bit. He does indeed restore his face (after an"empty" turn) and he very explicitly refers to the attack as his face
 
Maybe hit it with a possibly? Like you can come up with such arguments but then I can mention that in the Queen fight she hides behind a literal shield and you cannot hit her despite it blocking in one direction to the point where if you changed your angle slightly, like from Susie's perspective, she'd be wide open.
Actually, thinking about it, I've got both feats and antifeats on this.

Feats:
  • Susie directly hitting King at a distance in the cutscene
  • The Fun Gang being able to hit Spamton NEO/Berdly at a distance despite them being on running carts.
  • Kris and Ralsei hitting Rouxls despite both parties being on different boats and separated by a pool of acid.
Antifeats:
  • Susie and Berdly never hitting directly when they're opponents, instead attacking like every other enemy.
  • The Fun Gang being unable to hit the wires controlling Berdly/the crown of C. Round without throwing Kris or Ralsei at them.
  • Susie moving her axe over and over after that Queen taunts her, but there was no effect.
I'd say that the amount of these is enough to warrant some suspicion, yes.

Maybe something like "Possibly Minor Spatial Manipulation (Can hit the opponent with melee strikes even if they're far away, though it's likely the result of the game's graphic limitations)" or something like that?

Idk how to explain it as saying that's a game mechanic IS weird lol.
 
She didn't throw it with her own hands, but she can scale from the Thrash Machine, which did struggle and had to push against the ball for a time.

This count as lifting strength and not only striking strength.
Ok found the scene.

Given that the Thrash Machine stops the thing instantly, I'll take 1/30th of a second given that DR caps at 30 FPS without mods.
For LS:
  • dV = 1715
  • dT = 0.03333333333
  • A = 1715/0.03333333333 = 51450 m/s^2
  • Force = 5742286.26843 * 51450 = 2.954406285e+11 N or 3.012655988e+10 Kg (Class G)
WOW
 
Ok found the scene.

Given that the Thrash Machine stops the thing instantly, I'll take 1/30th of a second given that DR caps at 30 FPS without mods.
For LS:
  • dV = 1715
  • dT = 0.03333333333
  • A = 1715/0.03333333333 = 51450 m/s^2
  • Force = 5742286.26843 * 51450 = 2.954406285e+11 N or 3.012655988e+10 Kg (Class G)
WOW
@Psychomaster35 I was wondering if you could modify your original Giga Queen calc with this, this method is perfectly valid as it was accepted before in this calc for example.
 
Have to say that I find the "baseball caught fire because of its speed" thing a bit iffy. Afterall, that same "fire" shows up around Queen while she’s charging the attack and vanishes the moment she’s done, and flickers in a bunch of different colors, so whether it’s even fire at all is pretty debatable in itself.
Ngl I can prolly just argue that Queen has just a fire aura.

In the worst case, can't we make just 8-A, likely Low 7-C, similar to how Saitama is rn?
 
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