Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[DaReaperMan]

As someone who just got finished with the chapter... yeah Roaring Knight legit took damage. There's no hax nonsense happening here, unless we want to say Flowery's fake stats are also a stat amp or something.

 

[Galactidot]

As someone who just got finished with the chapter... yeah Roaring Knight legit took damage. There's no hax nonsense happening here, unless we want to say Flowery's fake stats are also a stat amp or something.

EXACTLY, it avoided damage by basically going "you're not as real as I am".
Also, considering what Shadow Crystals do to a Darkner's psyche in terms of giving them existential crises and their ability to peer through the Dark World into the Light World, this somewhat lines up with that as well. Black Shards and Shadow Crystals being like "reality lens" I mean.

Anyways, scaling aside, what did you think of Chapter 5?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

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[Echidnacodefan2512]

OUTSIDE...

 

[Galactidot]

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woaw

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's actually kinda tuff, tell me more

This ties in the roots plotline/theory. We know plants have a higher form of consciousness in the dark, one that resembles their dream, with Flowery being the only being capable of bending the rules so casually and to that extent, and the only character that matches that level of control and awareness is Ralsei himself. Who heavily implies he can just ignore rules as he pleases, just like Flowery. It is unlikely that something bound by darkness can ignore the rules it imposes just like that. The flowers, however, are living beings, like lightners.

Flowery says that plants can feel things that no one can comprehend, and that he felt something horrible benealth the town. Ralsei, in his attempt to explain his travel between worlds, claims that he "felt a dark presence and hurried over".
Ralsei can "feel the Knight's presence"
When Ralsei questions Flowery's fake stats, the latter replies, "you'd be the expert on that, wouldn't you, Raly"?

Literally, what other Darkner can do what Ralsei does? None of them.

Why would Ralsei be born in the shape of a Boss Monsters, if he's just an object/darkner?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

As someone who just got finished with the chapter... yeah Roaring Knight legit took damage. There's no hax nonsense happening here, unless we want to say Flowery's fake stats are also a stat amp or something.

Yep.

That's true. It's not an amp, the fake stats are just trying to portray the damage to be way higher than it actually was, but somehow, people are trying to claim the fake statistic numbers are legitimate

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

This ties in the roots plotline/theory. We know plants have a higher form of consciousness in the dark, one that resembles their dream, with Flowery being the only being capable of bending the rules so casually and to that extent, and the only character that matches that level of control and awareness is Ralsei himself. Who heavily implies he can just ignore rules as he pleases, just like Flowery. It is unlikely that something bound by darkness can ignore the rules it imposes just like that. The flowers, however, are living beings, like lightners.

Flowery says that plants can feel things that no one can comprehend, and that he felt something horrible benealth the town. Ralsei, in his attempt to explain his travel between worlds, claims that he "felt a dark presence and hurried over".
Ralsei can "feel the Knight's presence"
When Ralsei questions Flowery's fake stats, the latter replies, "you'd be the expert on that, wouldn't you, Raly"?

Literally, what other Darkner can do what Ralsei does? None of them.

Why would Ralsei be born in the shape of a Boss Monsters, if he's just an object/darkner?

Soo ralsei is cotton ?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Yep.

That's true. It's not an amp, the fake stats are just trying to portray the damage to be way higher than it actually was, but somehow, people are trying to claim the fake statistic numbers are legitimate

Wait..if fake numbers and real numbers can exist...what is in bettewen them ?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yep.

That's true. It's not an amp, the fake stats are just trying to portray the damage to be way higher than it actually was, but somehow, people are trying to claim the fake statistic numbers are legitimate

I NEVER said that they're legitimate. Instead, I said Flowery did legitimate damage. Arguing otherwise is straight up ignoring the chapter 3 fight with TRK and acting like it never happened to support your headcanon.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I NEVER said that they're legitimate. Instead, I said Flowery did legitimate damage. Arguing otherwise is straight up ignoring the chapter 3 fight with TRK and acting like it never happened to support your headcanon.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Flowery didn't initially do damage yo

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Flowery didn't initially do damage yo

Yeah I'm just saying TRK is a glass cannon. Which we also have Susie cutting a piece out of the sword for.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I NEVER said that they're legitimate

Who's talking about you? I said people said that. Plus, yeah, my stance was ALWAYS that the damage was legitimate, but the numbers were not, the opposing side disagreed.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Chamender hear me out...

Imaginary number - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Galactidot]

Who's talking about you? I said people said that. Plus, yeah, my stance was ALWAYS that the damage was legitimate, but the numbers were not, the opposing side disagreed.

I NEVER said that they're legitimate. Instead, I said Flowery did legitimate damage. Arguing otherwise is straight up ignoring the chapter 3 fight with TRK and acting like it never happened to support your headcanon.

If I'm not mistaken, what is going on here is:

Charmander believes the damage isn't scalable and that Flowery didn't do that much damage, and merely made it look like such.
So the damage is legitimate, but it wasn't that much, and the result number was an illusion, and thus not scalable.

While Reaper is saying that Flowery did do that much damage and it is scalable, and the Roaring Knight had to deny the damage by denying the Dark World.
So the damage is legitimate, and it was that much, but it was denied by The Roaring Knight, who has the ability to deny Dark World stats due to being more "real", so it was scalable, just that The Roaring Knight was able to bypass the illusory nature of a Dark World.

Am I correct? I hope I'm wording this right lmao

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If I'm not mistaken, what is going on here is:

Charmander believes the damage isn't scalable and that Flowery didn't do that much damage, and merely made it look like such.
So the damage is legitimate, but it wasn't that much, and the result number was an illusion, and thus not scalable.

While Reaper is saying that Flowery did do that much damage and it is scalable, and the Roaring Knight had to deny the damage by denying the Dark World.
So the damage is legitimate, and it was that much, but it was denied by The Roaring Knight, who has the ability to deny Dark World stats due to being more "real", so it was scalable, just that The Roaring Knight was able to bypass the illusory nature of a Dark World.

Am I correct? I hope I'm wording this right lmao

Me and Reaper agree actually.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I think Reaper wants a third option that both agrees and disagrees with both options actually.

 

[Galactidot]

Me and Reaper agree actually.

I'd like to hear @DaReaperMan say that too, actually. From what I'm following, as I stated above, it appears that you're both agreeing overall, but disagreeing on some other details that leads to a different overall outcome. You could very easily being, intentionally or not, speaking for him and misrepresenting his argument by saying this so early.

 

[Edutyn]

Triying to calc Flowery moving the "sun"... it gives from 7-C to 7-A

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Flowery is literally controling imaginary numbers inside the dark world to actually damage

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Triying to calc Flowery moving the "sun"... it gives 7-A

Damn..imaginary Power !

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think Reaper wants a third option that both agrees and disagrees with both options actually.

This. I don't think TRK has any special hax specific to it, I just think it's a glass cannon.

 

[Galactidot]

I'd like to hear @DaReaperMan say that too, actually. From what I'm following, as I stated above, it appears that you're both agreeing overall, but disagreeing on some other details that leads to a different overall outcome. You could very easily being, intentionally or not, speaking for him and misrepresenting his argument by saying this so early.

Me and Reaper agree actually.

This. I don't think TRK has any special hax specific to it, I just think it's a glass cannon.

As I suspected tbh. Good thing I waited to hear it from the man himself then amirite? Cuz this of course is a big difference from just outright full stop agreeing with you, @GodlyCharmander .

 

[DaReaperMan]

As I suspected tbh. Good thing I waited to hear it from the man himself then amirite? Cuz this of course is a big difference from just outright full stop agreeing with you, @GodlyCharmander .

I don't agree with acting like a smug prick either.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I feel this should be taken somewhat seriously if we are still to believe that GIGA Queen is actually stronger than the Knight as stated, yet got beaten by Recruits through the Thrash Machine.

GIGA Queen is actually more likely to be weaker than the Knight. GIGA Queen already existed when the Swatchling says that the Knight is more powerful “for now”. They were more likely referring to Queen’s plan to create more fountains and expand her kingdom.

Plus, I doubt the Titan would be weaker than GIGA Queen.

 

[Galactidot]

I don't agree with acting like a smug prick either.

I'm not acting like a smug prick. I was simply stating that we shouldn't speak for others, if you were paying attention. Don't get it twisted.

I asked both of you a question, and Charmander responded for the both of you. I was trying to emphasize that we should actually probably wait for you both to respond before jumping to conclusions.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm not acting like a smug prick. I was simply stating that we shouldn't speak for others, if you were paying attention. Don't get it twisted.

Then how about you reword...

As I suspected tbh. Good thing I waited to hear it from the man himself then amirite? Cuz this of course is a big difference from just outright full stop agreeing with you, @GodlyCharmander .

Basically your entire post. Takes one to know one.

 

[Galactidot]

Then how about you reword...

I don't have to sugarcoat my words for anyone, especially if they're not even offensive to begin with.

Basically your entire post. Takes one to know one.

I would like to know what you mean by this.
You seem awfully comfortable picking fights with and being condescending when nobody has even insulted you to begin with.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

 

[Galactidot]

THE WAY HE LOOKS DOWN IN SHAME LMAO

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Plus, I doubt the Titan would be weaker than GIGA Queen.

Someone forgot what happens in the Aborted Lancer route.

 

[Edutyn]

Enjoy 7-B & Class T Deltarune before it gets nuked.

I will be busy this day, so i will correct things tomorrow. Any comentary to improve the calc is welcome!

 

[Ghengiroo115]

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I’m still wondering how Kris was able to fight on par with Omega Flowery at the end.

It being from the Orange Soul is weird because they had the Orange Soul the entire fight. Maybe it can make Kris stronger based on enough movement/speed/charging?

It being emotional empowerment is kind of consistent with their previous examples of Rage Power, however those instances only raised their damage output and not durability. Maybe different emotions give different effects?

It being them holding back the entire time could maybe work, if it wasn’t for the fact that they’re a physical being who shouldn’t really be able to lower their durability.

Maybe they could just be drawing power directly from the Soul, kinda like how certain Acts like Red Buster work?

Just found out that Kris fully heals for the Omega Flowery section, if that adds anything.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't have to sugarcoat my words for anyone, especially if they're not even offensive to begin with.

It's tonal. Doing the equivalent of "I told you so" comes off as extremely smug. At least, it did to me.

I would like to know what you mean by this.

I have to constantly monitor my posts because I can come off as a legit asshole a lot of the time. Just this month I've had to truncate/rewrite or just not post about three kinda like that.

You seem awfully comfortable picking fights with and being condescending when nobody has even insulted you to begin with.

Something about a teapot and a kettle, I dunno I need coffee.

 

[Galactidot]

It's tonal. Doing the equivalent of "I told you so" comes off as extremely smug. At least, it did to me.

Well I wasn't trying to make it come across as an "I told you so", more of a "This is why I wanted to wait, and why we should be careful about this", but thank you dearly for...

I have to constantly monitor my posts because I can come off as a legit asshole a lot of the time. Just this month I've had to truncate/rewrite or just not post about three kinda like that.

Clarifying this. I didn't mean for it to come across the way it did, sorry bout that. Thanks for taking a step back to do that and answer my genuine question, and for encouraging me to do the same, and not out of condescension like I originally suspected.

Something about a teapot and a kettle, I dunno I need coffee.

I see. Thanks for being honest and allat. Go eat your coffee beans in peace~

Anyways, back to my unanswered question, what did you think about Chapter 5 and its Secret Boss?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Spoiler: Gaster

YOOO

THIS "SIDE B" STUFF IS VERY VERY INTERESTING.

I WONDER IF MY SON IS ENJOYING IT

AS MUCH

AS I AM.

I'M SO PROUD OF MY BOY

FOR GETTING A ROLE IN MY DEVICE.