DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread

[LittleGuy99]

Just "Limited Damage Boost" with the justification going on about how they reduce damage from Star/Dark Elemental attacks is probably best.

Okay

 

[Da3ggman]

Ngl Lightners being 4-A makes no ****** sense but I’m here for it (just waiting for the anti-feats in Chapter 5 to hit like Mach 3 Naoyo lmaooo).

 

[StarShooter80]

Ngl Lightners being 4-A makes no ****** sense but I’m here for it (just waiting for the anti-feats in Chapter 5 to hit like Mach 3 Naoyo lmaooo).

Where’d that come from?

 

[Da3ggman]

Where’d that come from?

I’ve been looking back through this thread after I beat the chapters

 

[LittleGuy99]

Titan = Dark Fountain
Delta Warriors are at least comparable to Titans, they can give and receive damage from a Titan
When the Titan is sealed the fountain disappears, confirming that they are the same

Gerson is equal to or superior to a Titan, with DualBuster Susie's attack is comparable to Gerson's, plus Kris is giving them more power with their SOUL

 

[Da3ggman]

Titan = Dark Fountain
Delta Warriors are at least comparable to Titans, they can give and receive damage from a Titan
When the Titan is sealed the fountain disappears, confirming that they are the same

Gerson is equal to or superior to a Titan, with DualBuster Susie's attack is comparable to Gerson's, plus Kris is giving them more power with their SOUL

I know the arguments, I ain’t even saying I disagree with them.

It’s just stupid for them to be 4-A.

 

[StarShooter80]

Titan = Dark Fountain
Delta Warriors are at least comparable to Titans, they can give and receive damage from a Titan
When the Titan is sealed the fountain disappears, confirming that they are the same

Gerson is equal to or superior to a Titan, with DualBuster Susie's attack is comparable to Gerson's, plus Kris is giving them more power with their SOUL

How’s a dark fountain 4-A? I feel like I missed something obvious

 

[LittleGuy99]

How’s a dark fountain 4-A? I feel like I missed something obvious

There are stars in the Dark Worlds
Seen in Castle Town and in Chapters 3 and 4
Possibly in chapter 2 too, but people say those specifically are fake because the sky is a screen in the Cyber World

 

[Comiphorous]

Their 8-C being 5x stronger than madness combat characters.....

can't even throw these mfs at Madness characters. absolute tragedy. Why does madness combat gotta be so damn WEAK in 8-C bro.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

There are stars in the Dark Worlds
Seen in Castle Town and in Chapters 3 and 4
Possibly in chapter 2 too, but people say those specifically are fake because the sky is a screen in the Cyber World

Where are the stars in Chapter 4? I wasn’t paying too much attention to background stuff.

 

[FinePoint]

I know the arguments, I ain’t even saying I disagree with them.

It’s just stupid for them to be 4-A.

This is basically where I'm at too.

It makes no narrative sense, but I don't exactly have a logical reason to deny the feats during the fight or whatever.

So my head-canon is still that the Titan wasn't using its full power.

 

[Axorandom0]

I kinda wish that c3+4 didn’t bring starry skies into dark worlds because city level Titans feel much better and the Knight, who’d scale, has a design with big tier 7 vibes imo. It’d also be less of an outlier to scale to but whatever.

 

[StarShooter80]

On the flip side we can have ridiculous matchups

 

[Galactidot]

I’ve been looking back through this thread after I beat the chapters

Didja beat Roaring Knight?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Just so you know, there's a CRT for adding some Chapter 3 stuff (And one feat from Chapter 4) that's up

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Where are the stars in Chapter 4? I wasn’t paying too much attention to background stuff.

Bump

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

There's also this but it's pretty weak compared to the others.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

John Mantle's profile is basically done. Also made a NA/T section for Tenna.
Do tell if I missed anything.

 

[FinePoint]

John Mantle's profile is basically done.
Do tell if I missed anything.

At least one of their justifications don't really make any sense.
"(Can keep up with Kris’ in-game avatar, whose movements are controlled by the real Kris and as such shouldn't be significantly slower)"

Kris is controlling them with a controller.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Some of their justifications don't really make any sense.
"(Can keep up with Kris’ in-game avatar, whose movements are controlled by the real Kris and as such shouldn't be significantly slower)"

Kris is controlling them with a controller.

It's just that if Kris themself were thousands of times faster than ERAM, it wouldn't matter how fast the in-game Kris is, since they'd see ERAM's attacks in slow motion basically.

I'm sure there's a better way to word it though.

 

[FinePoint]

It's just that if Kris themself were thousands of times faster than ERAM, it wouldn't matter how fast the in-game Kris is, since they'd see ERAM's attacks in slow motion basically.

I'm sure there's a better way to word it though.

Well regardless the avatar only moves as fast as the controller makes them move, and we don't have much reaction to go off since the player is controlling them.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Well regardless the avatar only moves as fast as the controller makes them move, and we don't have much reaction to go off since the player is controlling them.

I mean, they’re definitely meant to be a genuine challenge and the post-fight dialogue sure suggests it wasn't a cakewalk for Kris.

If not that, got something else in mind for speed? The in-game Kris should be pretty relative to the rest of the cast with how close they came to landing a hit on Susie.

 

[FinePoint]

If not that, got something else in mind for speed? The in-game Kris should be pretty relative to the rest of the cast with how close they came to landing a hit on Susie.

That is much more convincing, and I was about to mention it, actually.

Yeah, we should use that. Like: "(Can keep up with Kris’ in-game avatar, which was almost able to land a hit on Susie.)

 

[Ti58]

By the way, all monsters should lose their resistance to blood manipulation because Susie very clearly has actual real blood. Not sure why the new Undyne profile has it.

 

[Axorandom0]

John Mantle's profile is basically done. Also made a NA/T section for Tenna.
Do tell if I missed anything.

The speed justification is weird because that was a surprise attack that Kris caught

 

[FinePoint]

The speed justification is weird because that was a surprise attack that Kris caught

That would still mean Kris barely reacted to it, so either way it scales.

 

[Galactidot]

By the way, all monsters should lose their resistance to blood manipulation because Susie very clearly has actual real blood. Not sure why the new Undyne profile has it.

I'm not even sure about that... Why? Humans traditionally keep their loved one's ashes, as, well, we don't instantly turn to dust upon death.
We see Gerson's dust on top of his hammer is what made his Darkner form. Not ashes, dust. Something readily available upon death for monsters
(potentially up until now)
I'm wondering if this is a Susie-specific quirk that'll be touched on later?

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not even sure about that... Why? Humans traditionally keep their loved one's ashes, as, well, we don't instantly turn to dust upon death.
We see Gerson's dust on top of his hammer is what made his Darkner form. Not ashes, dust. Something readily available upon death for monsters
(potentially up until now)
I'm wondering if this is a Susie-specific quirk that'll be touched on later?

Sans bleeds too.

I'm guessing the implication is that monsters have blood, but it also turns into dust when they actually die.

 

[Galactidot]

Sans bleeds too.

I'm guessing the implication is that monsters have blood, but it also turns into dust when they actually die.

I'm thinking so...
Funny enough, the Sans blood thing was a huge controversy back in the day, Toby said it's ketchup, but he might've been joking.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans bleeds too.

I'm guessing the implication is that monsters have blood, but it also turns into dust when they actually die.

I mean, why would the turning to dust imply that they're not biological? Remember that blood is made over 50% of water, and UT monsters do not have water at all.

DR monsters having blood and being unable to use magic outside the DW (and UT monsters use magic just like they breathe because of their physiology, remember) makes me strongly think they're fully biological unlike UT ones, thus fundamentally different anyway.

 

[FinePoint]

I mean, why would the turning to dust imply that they're not biological? Remember that blood is made over 50% of water, and UT monsters do not have water at all.

I didn't say it did.

DR monsters having blood and being unable to use magic outside the DW (and UT monsters use magic just like they breathe because of their physiology, remember) makes me strongly think they're fully biological unlike UT ones, thus fundamentally different anyway.

There's some theories going around that Undertale itself was a Dark World, since Undyne got her Undertale magic when she entered one.

 

[StrymULTRA]

There's some theories going around that Undertale itself was a Dark World, since Undyne got her normal UT magic when she entered one.

Toby Fox: "Deltarune is another universe that is unrelated to Undertale, and whatever happens in Undertale won't affect Deltarune."

The fandom:

 

[Comiphorous]

There's some theories going around that Undertale itself was a Dark World, since Undyne got her normal UT magic when she entered one.

If this ends up being true in any capacity, i'm going to be on the news.

 

[StarShooter80]

Kris Get The Banana

 

[FinePoint]

Toby Fox: "Deltarune is another universe that is unrelated to Undertale, and whatever happens in Undertale won't affect Deltarune."

The fandom:

 

[StarShooter80]

 

[FinePoint]

Asgore be like.

 

[StarShooter80]

I will not believe such slander towards flower man

 

[FinePoint]

I will not believe such slander towards flower man

 

[Galactidot]

@Da3ggman Didja beat Roaring Knight?