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Is there proof that the quirk gave them the heat resistance? From what I can tell, the only thing that you can cross scale form All Might to Izuku is NPI.
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Deku vs Genos
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But the npi is literally from the same thing heat resistance is from
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pretty sure Genos wins
AP wise they're pretty equal. Genos might have an advantage since the difference between 20% and 30% shouldn't be x2
Dura wise it's the same thing. Deku resists Genos's heat but his normal attacks are still fair game
Speed equal so yeah, plus Genos's mobility is basically Bakugo's and I don't think he'll struggle with keeping up with Deku's flight, since it functions very similarly.
Range wise they can blast each other pretty easily, Deku with air force and Genos with incineration
So overall they seem pretty equal
Genos, however, is a cyborg. Meaning if he gets an arm ripped off or something, he's gonna shrug it off like it's nothing.
Deku doesn't have this luxury. In fact, OFA puts strain on his body at all times. Sure, 30% is pretty easy for Deku to maintain, but at the end of the day it still puts strain on his body, limiting his stamina. Genos would be in mostly peak condition in this fight while deku would slowly get worn down.
Genos is also generally more skilled. He kept up with Garou in hand-to-hand combat. Granted, Garou was injured immensely, but even with Flowing Water Crushed Rock as well as Watchdog Man's fighting style, Genos was still keeping up with him blow for blow. He didn't really fight anyone else before fighting Garou, other than like a freaking gorilla wearing a metal bodysuit, and a gundam ripoff, so I highly doubt his skill is much different in this key. Deku hasn't fought anyone with that level of martial skill, and even if you argue that the other users of OFA could help him out, we don't have any info on who they fought, or whether or not they fought anyone with Garou's level of martial arts. If Deku gets in close, Genos would outskill him massively. This, along with the fact that kool robot eyes >>> Danger Sense would seal the deal even more
The only thing Genos might have a problem with is Deku overwhelming him from a distance due to Deku's heat resistance making Genos's projectiles less useful. But Genos can probably just chase him down and beat him up.
Genos FRA
AP wise they're pretty equal. Genos might have an advantage since the difference between 20% and 30% shouldn't be x2
Dura wise it's the same thing. Deku resists Genos's heat but his normal attacks are still fair game
Speed equal so yeah, plus Genos's mobility is basically Bakugo's and I don't think he'll struggle with keeping up with Deku's flight, since it functions very similarly.
Range wise they can blast each other pretty easily, Deku with air force and Genos with incineration
So overall they seem pretty equal
Genos, however, is a cyborg. Meaning if he gets an arm ripped off or something, he's gonna shrug it off like it's nothing.
Deku doesn't have this luxury. In fact, OFA puts strain on his body at all times. Sure, 30% is pretty easy for Deku to maintain, but at the end of the day it still puts strain on his body, limiting his stamina. Genos would be in mostly peak condition in this fight while deku would slowly get worn down.
Genos is also generally more skilled. He kept up with Garou in hand-to-hand combat. Granted, Garou was injured immensely, but even with Flowing Water Crushed Rock as well as Watchdog Man's fighting style, Genos was still keeping up with him blow for blow. He didn't really fight anyone else before fighting Garou, other than like a freaking gorilla wearing a metal bodysuit, and a gundam ripoff, so I highly doubt his skill is much different in this key. Deku hasn't fought anyone with that level of martial skill, and even if you argue that the other users of OFA could help him out, we don't have any info on who they fought, or whether or not they fought anyone with Garou's level of martial arts. If Deku gets in close, Genos would outskill him massively. This, along with the fact that kool robot eyes >>> Danger Sense would seal the deal even more
The only thing Genos might have a problem with is Deku overwhelming him from a distance due to Deku's heat resistance making Genos's projectiles less useful. But Genos can probably just chase him down and beat him up.
Genos FRA
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1. This isn’t Genos from the times when he can do that stuff. Genos hasn’t even met Garou in the BOS Key, this is the cocky one from the beginning of the series. We can’t backscale skill, we use feats from their current key. Genos isn’t the best ranged fighter who’s skill out preforms literal homing bullets. Genos doesn’t compare to Stain, who stomps heroes in skill with decades of experience, he doesn’t compare to the literal mercenary platoons which Deku clawed his way through in two heroes. He got stomped by Mosquito girl who didn’t have a modicum of skill outside of her power. Genos in the BOS key is a literal gag, even unintentionally by the author.
2. Genos doesn’t have 6 homing attack all faster than Deku, his attacks at a range don’t even work. Their LS is similar and the AP advantage is LESS THAN 2X using 5.8 KT and 30% is massively superior to the 20% who scales to that. And the two are equal in speed here, so no, he can’t chase home down, if Deku wants to stay at a range, he’s staying at a range and using blackwhip and Fa-Jin to stay away.
3. This is the same Deku who fights at 45% (much more straining) for over a month without proper food water or rest, while he has literal BULLET WOUNDS punctured on his body the entire time. Unless this fight takes months of his life, stamina isn’t an issue for Deku.
4. When you say less useful, I doubt you realize that Deku can just Tank through them with no damage. They aren’t less useful they are useless
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Deku outskills and dominates.
I vote for deku.
I vote for deku.
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BoS didn’t fight garou 
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Bump
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Deku vs everybody at this point
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Help me, Cisco keeps doing this, if we wants MHA matches stop using Deku
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1.
First off, I mentioned before that Genos has had basically zero improvements in skill as the series progressed. Training under Saitama, a normal guy skill-wise, doesn't do anything. Overwhelming a ****** gorilla and a glorified transformer doesn't exactly do him any favors either against GAROU, the second or third most skilled martial artist in the entire series who's capable of redirecting attacks that could 1 shot him instantly and can instantly adapt his fighting style to compensate for any weaknesses. It's safe to assume that his fighting style hasn't changed much since then.
Second, Deku literally got casually bodied in skill within the literal first few seconds of him fighting Stain. He only won in the end with the help of Todoroki and Iida distracting him. Even when Todoroki showed up, Stain was able to get multiple slashes on him while holding back. Backscaling Deku from Stain makes no sense.
Third, once again, we don't have any evidence that literally anyone other than Ojiro and Gunhead (and by extension, Uraraka) have any knowledge whatsoever of martial arts. Tearing through fodder mercenaries several times weaker than you isn't a skill feat. Plus, Genos spent 4 years before the beginning of the series killing monsters and wiping out organizations, which is longer than Deku has had his quirk, so saying that Deku outskills cuz he beat up a bunch of experienced mercenaries makes no sense
Fourth, oh wow, Genos lost against someone who can blitz and 1 shot him. Wow, that's totally an anti feat for his skill. Deku doesn't have the stats necessary to casually tear Genos's arms off like Mosquito girl did, they're basically evenly matched.
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Neither of them have homing attacks? I never said Genos could use homing attacks on Deku.
Why wouldn't Genos's attacks work? Genos has fire blasts, Deku has air blasts. They're not that much different. Genos's mobility is still pretty good, def good enough to keep up with Deku.
These characters basically have the exact same abilities. Deku's Air Force flight is pretty good, but Genos's Bakugo-level mobility is basically the same. Sure, GEnos can't defy gravity, but they both propel themselves backward and can change direction midair with their blasts. Sure, Deku has Blackwhip but that's really not going to make that much of a difference since it's kinda redundant.
Their stats are basically equal, which I did say before.
Saying that Deku's just gonna camp him out when #1: it's not in character for him to do that, and #2 they have basically the same style of projectile (straight fire) and mobility (propulsion flight) just doesn't make any sense
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The difference in stamina is that Deku is human while Genos isn't. Genos basically doesn't feel pain. He didn't even flinch when he got his arm torn off, and he was stil able to think rationally after getting his entire body nearly slashed to pieces. If Deku rips off a limp (which is gonna be hard due to basically equal stats), Genos is barely going to react. If Genos does the same right back to him, Deku is DEFINITELY going to react. They both have limitless stamina, but Deku is naturally affected from getting injured, while Genos isn't.
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Resistance to heat manip isn't going to help him against the actual concussive force of the blasts. He's not going to get burned, but he's still going to feel like Genos punched him in the fukin face. Also, like I said before, it's not in character for Delku to spam range. He quite literally never tried to get back at Lady Nagant with range attacks at any point in the fight, despite massively outranging her with Air Force. If Deku gets in close, he's not winning in close quarters
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What Mickey said seems pretty sound to me. Genos FRA.
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this right here is just pure comedy.. deku isnt winning in close quarters?? you serious?? You see Genos defeats his opponents by being stronger and faster than them but deku defeats his opponents by being more skilled. Not to mention how many times did Genos lose because he was being Arrogant. He lost to mosquito girl because he let his guard down, the same thing happened against carnage kabuto, than the same thing against Sea king, and the same thing repeated itself against speed o sonic if saitama hadnt save him he would have died long ago. Plus He basically learnt nothing from his mistakes and didnt evolve mentally but deku has evolved so much that this makes it cake walk for him. Deku outsmarts and outskills beginning series genos by alot. if you cant see that than debating you is useless.
I cant believe you are taking his fight against garou and using it to give him "the skill"?? bruh he fought garou when he was at his weakest and was going to defeat him by being stronger than him and not "Skilled"... not to mention he let his guard down again and lost his arm but because of the upgrade he survived.
Deku murks BOS Genos.
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Genos lost to Mosquito Girl because 1. He was talking to Saitama (a non-factor in this match), and 2. because she amped her speed by taking the blood of thousands.
Carnage Kabuto was VASTLY SUPERIOR TO GENOS AT THE TIME, so that example makes 0 sense.
Genos was not being arrogant against Sea King. DSK literally sent acid at a little girl, and Genos saved her since he's a hero. None of these are factors in this fight so again you're debunked.
How was Genos being arrogant in his fight with Speed o' Sound Sonic? He went for the kill, but Sonic ended up having an amp that put him far above Genos in speed. Genos had an answer to that too.
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That same Garou who completely skill-stomped a team of elite A-Class Heroes. Disingenuous tbh.
Genos did not let his guard down. He quite literally let it happen so he could restrain Garou. Another showing of you failing to read the manga.
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M_Animefan read the One-Punch Man Manga challenge! (LEVEL IMPOSSIBLE)
pure comedy right here lol .since you are a manga reader let me hit you with some "Panels" Genos says "let his guard down again" meaning he either let his guard down in his fight against carnage kabuto or Mosquito girl.
"That same Garou who completely skill-stomped a team of elite A-Class Heroes. Disingenuous tbh."
comedyyyyyy!! he skill stomped them?? bruh go watch the fight again, he literally broke their team play and they lost. not mention garou was already heavily injured by dog man and saitamas kick, than he was poisioned and injured against the A-Class Heroes that he fought and defeated. after that genos makes his enterance lmao..
yeah no i am not going to debate someone who brings up current panels in a fight where Beginning of Series genos is being used... mans literally showed a panel of genos randomly punching and says he going for the Kill??????
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Since you want to talk about reading, why don't I teach you about reading comprehension. If you read the manga and the context of that page, you would see that Genos was making sure that the people around him were safe, as that is is job as a hero. A non-factor in this fight. Again, you're embarrassing yourself the more you keep holding on to this flawed argument.
pure comedy right here lol .since you are a manga reader let me hit you with some "Panels" Genos says "let his guard down again" meaning he either let his guard down in his fight against carnage kabuto or Mosquito girl.
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes
Yes.
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Why is Current Genos being brought up for BoS Genos? How on earth do you make the claim he is the exact same skill level as he is now that he was then after everything he’s been through and all his upgrades? That doesn’t make sense
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Deku outskills FRA.
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Because people need a reason for him to win?
idk, help, best I can say for now is OPM has Genos feel recoil (atleast from what I remember BoS wise) and the mid gauntlets reinforce Deku’s entire body, so I think punching him anywhere but the face is a bad idea.
Also the guy who above said why did Deku range Nagant when Nagant quite literally is the best range fighter country wise.
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Before I add any counterarguments, please try to be civil. This is just a debate about fictional characters. Sarcasm and insults aren't necessaryOh the irony in that statement.
If you took offense to anything I said or my tone, I apologize. But from now on, let's all keep things civil
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Agreed
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When in the series has Genos displayed any sort of training or practicing
All he ever does in every arc is get bodied by every villain and then gets his doctor to upgrade him
In his free time, he does Saitama's chores, and studies the angle of how he sits down in a chair.
Saitama literally says that there's no point in him training since he's a cyborg
This implies that he doesn't really get any significant combat experience before he fought Garou, and he still performed excellently.
Plus, even if you remove any skill feats from after BoS, Genos is older and has had his powers for far longer than Deku has, as he claimed to have destroyed monsters and entire organizations in the past.
Most of Deku's significant fights before the Final Act were all either brute forced with 100% (or in Muscular's case, with adrenaline), or he had outside help. The only exception to this is fighting Gentle Criminal, who's a freaking youtuber and doesn't have any combat exp other than matter manipulating the surroundings or Lover Mode unga bunga caveman hulk smashing the crap out of fodder heroes.
During the Final Act, he brute forces his way past Muscular, and beats up every single fodder villain he encounters with his x1000+ ap advantage. The only person he struggled against was Lady Nagant, who isn't a close quarters combat fighter.
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Alright. Just so you know I wasn’t the one who started with the insults.
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You just proved my point, Deku is way more skilled than BoS genos there’s no doubting that. Plus stop using the Garou feat by saying he performed „Excellently“ when he literally fought an Injured Garou who fought Dog man and got kicked by saitama and he fought 8 A-Class Heroes than was poisoned and further injured, Gatling literally shot Thousands of bullets at him and he was also shot seeing how much blood was losing after the shooting. Than Genos makes his appearance and starts punching a very weakened Garou who couldn’t even react to genos punches or dodge them and he wasn’t at his top speed either but still managed to kick genos‘s head into the ground than Genos gets up like a badass and garou uses dog man’s moves and takes genos arm but genos upgrade gives him the ability to control his body parts and uses his severed arm to tie garou on a tree, tries to shoot him but garou breaks the tree in Half and than gets Support from the Monster organization, genos kills all the monsters and tires to blast garou but than bang appears.“
now you tell me „how does this feat give genos the skill“?
don’t compare a very injured and poisoned garou to a completely healthy Deku.
Stop using lady nagant to show that Midoriya is Bad at fighting long ranged fighters since Lady Nagant outskills even current genos by a lot.
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Before I give my vote, @CiscoTheSoto, mind telling me where you got the LS for Genos? It seems he most likely scales above the Paradisers who have 2,800,640.24 kg LS?
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Oh nevermind, I see where.
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Well looking at this, I'd have to give it to Genos.
Not only does he have greater AP than Deku, but also has generally comparable if not better maneuverability. Past that, Genos also has the advantage of a lot more fighting experience over Deku as well. And when comparing OPM and MHA, the threat's are generally far more deadly in OPM more often than not so I'd put higher stake in his experience of a few years over Deku's of a few months. Past that, while both are smart, Deku in this fight lacks a lot of the resources he normally has in battle at this point. His AP is limited, his range is limited since his higher ranged stuff is from higher percentages of OFA, and his speed is stagnate. He still has access to all the quirks sure, but none of them really do much to deal with the problem that comes with Genos just blasting in his general direction and Genos sensors helping keep a track of Deku since he can't out-speed them like Mosquito girl did. While Deku can' tank attacks from Genos and close the gap to deal up close and personal damage with only relative issue, he'd only be able to safely do hit and run techniques. And as we saw with Mosquito Girl, Genos can take as he gets. Restraining with Black Whip isn't too useful since Genos has the higher LS so escape is always possible and if he so wishes, he can also use Deku's own blackwhip against him for either lining up a shot or just smashing him around. Danger Sense warns Deku of incoming threats, but Deku would still have to worry about the massive AOE that comes with Genos blast so I don't see it saving him as much as it did with the likes of Lady Nagant who was super-focused with all of her attacks and even then, Deku had to use Faux 100% to deal with that.
Not to say Genos doesn't have his own problems to deal with. Thanks to his own arrogance, he does run the risk of calling this battle before its over and opening himself up for Deku to get a good sneak attack and potentially finishing blow, but Deku doesn't really feign losing in battle so its not a strategy I imagine him coming up with. Past that, Deku would also note that danger posed by Genos's arms and seek to get rid of them. While tearing them off isn't happening due to the LS difference, Deku damaging them is a real possibility and would be a real hamper on Genos's own abilities. Not to mention that Deku is also more used to fighting utilizing his environment so he could make some great use of cover and buildings to get in some good blows. However, due to the AP difference, I don't think it's likely Deku will be able to deal the damage he needs to deal before Genos figure's out his goals and reacts accordingly since Genos is actually really smart which is only hepled by his cybernetics.
Overall, I'd give it to Genos, Mid to High Diff.
Not only does he have greater AP than Deku, but also has generally comparable if not better maneuverability. Past that, Genos also has the advantage of a lot more fighting experience over Deku as well. And when comparing OPM and MHA, the threat's are generally far more deadly in OPM more often than not so I'd put higher stake in his experience of a few years over Deku's of a few months. Past that, while both are smart, Deku in this fight lacks a lot of the resources he normally has in battle at this point. His AP is limited, his range is limited since his higher ranged stuff is from higher percentages of OFA, and his speed is stagnate. He still has access to all the quirks sure, but none of them really do much to deal with the problem that comes with Genos just blasting in his general direction and Genos sensors helping keep a track of Deku since he can't out-speed them like Mosquito girl did. While Deku can' tank attacks from Genos and close the gap to deal up close and personal damage with only relative issue, he'd only be able to safely do hit and run techniques. And as we saw with Mosquito Girl, Genos can take as he gets. Restraining with Black Whip isn't too useful since Genos has the higher LS so escape is always possible and if he so wishes, he can also use Deku's own blackwhip against him for either lining up a shot or just smashing him around. Danger Sense warns Deku of incoming threats, but Deku would still have to worry about the massive AOE that comes with Genos blast so I don't see it saving him as much as it did with the likes of Lady Nagant who was super-focused with all of her attacks and even then, Deku had to use Faux 100% to deal with that.
Not to say Genos doesn't have his own problems to deal with. Thanks to his own arrogance, he does run the risk of calling this battle before its over and opening himself up for Deku to get a good sneak attack and potentially finishing blow, but Deku doesn't really feign losing in battle so its not a strategy I imagine him coming up with. Past that, Deku would also note that danger posed by Genos's arms and seek to get rid of them. While tearing them off isn't happening due to the LS difference, Deku damaging them is a real possibility and would be a real hamper on Genos's own abilities. Not to mention that Deku is also more used to fighting utilizing his environment so he could make some great use of cover and buildings to get in some good blows. However, due to the AP difference, I don't think it's likely Deku will be able to deal the damage he needs to deal before Genos figure's out his goals and reacts accordingly since Genos is actually really smart which is only hepled by his cybernetics.
Overall, I'd give it to Genos, Mid to High Diff.
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1. How did I prove your point?
Yes, he gets bodied by every major villain of every arc, but that's just because every major villain had an AP and speed advantage of several times. The only major exception is against the Deep Sea King, and in that fight, Genos was fighting without an arm, yet he was still overwhelming and nearly beat him. He only actually lost in order to protect a little girl from an acid attack.
2. You missed my point.
I acknowledged that Garou was near death at the time. However, he still had Genos's strength and speed. Their stats were comparable to each other, with Genos being able to injure Garou, and Garou being able to rip off Genos's arm. Meaning that the only deciding factor in that fight was skill and versatility, in which Geos was still able to keep up. Garou at full power can easily body Genos due to being faster and stronger, I admit that, but in this specific situation where they were equals, Genos still held his own.
Also, who said Garou couldn't react to him? He was able to deflect and dodge several of Genos's blows. They were literally neck in neck. Here's the fight.
Yes, Genos could control his body parts, but the fact of the matter is, Garou still managed to rip it off. That requires AP and lifting strength.
3. Again, you missed my point.
Me bringing up Lady Nagant wasn't an attempt at saying that Deku can't handle long-range fighters
It was an attempt to prove that Deku hasn't fought anyone with significant CLOSE COMBAT EXPERIENCE or MARTIAL ARTS.
Deku hasn't fought a single actual martial artist unless you count Ojiro, who we don't even know if he fought or not. anyone else in the series doesn't really use martial arts. And even assuming they did, Deku either gets outside help or brute forces with higher levels of OFA.
What my point was is that if Genos and Deku fought hand to hand, Genos has the advantage in both skill and stamina. In terms of skill, Genos has fought generally more skilled opponents, is older, and has more combat experience. He loses constantly because his enemies are usually substantially faster and stronger than him (Mosquito Girl, Carnage Kabuto, Saitama, Gouketsu, Black Sperm, uhhhhhhhhh... huh. Genos didn't lose as many times as I thought. I could have sworn he was basically Krillin and Yamcha levels of unluck). In terms of stamina, both have basically limitless combat stamina, but Deku's going to be affected by getting injured more than Genos is. Yes, you can argue that Deku can fight for weeks on end with minimal nutrition and water, all while suffering from bullet wounds and stuff, but he still feels pain, and can still be worn down. Genos doesn't have this weakness in the sense that he pretty much isn't affected by those levels of superficial wounds. He's not going to get torn apart like he normally is due to their comparable stats, so he's really not going to be taking much damage. Like, the worst that could happen is that Deku dents Genos a bit with enough punches, but that's not hindering Genos whatsoever. However, if Genos punches Deku, Deku's gonna get bruised, broken blood vessels, potentially broken bones with enough continuous force, blood loss, etc. Even though he can still fight through it, having broken bones and feeling pain from literally just moving your body will still hinder Deku's fighting ability, while it won't do anything to Genos.
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Ima just let king respond to this, he’s much better at this than I am
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Why do I have to argue
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Cuz if you don’t, I’m voting for Genos
Mapl3Sy4up
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Because I’m stupid and your like one of the only smart people who does Deku matches
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Genos for Duedate's reasons
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Simply vote then
Friend I’m tired of Deku matches, they’re spammed hard as **** and are all going to get dynamically changed since they’re not even taking the 2nd’s quirk into account anyway. Like 80% of the matches on his profile don’t even matter, it’s pointless.
Now, COULD I argue against every single point brought up for Genos? Yes, the oppositions arguments aren’t infallible. Do I WANT to? No, cause idc enough about this match to start typing paragraphs back and forth against Genos of all people.
I vote Genos not cause I think he wins but cause I don’t care enough to argue for Deku
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fair enough.
yeah Genos FRA.
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Someone else on this wiki needs to just get better at debating for Deku cause I do not desire to be the final bastion for the lad’s vs battles all the time
