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Deathstroke (Post-Crisis) vs Big Boss
Rules:
Big Boss: 5 (Byakuya "Senbonzakura" Kuchiki,TISSG7Redgrave,PostmodernD,Hizack123,MrKingOfNegativity)
Inconclusive: 0 ()
Bump counter: 16
Character Stats
Summary
Big Boss is a central character in the Metal Gear series and one of the main playable protagonists along with Solid Snake and Raide. He was the founder of the High-tech special forces unit FOXHOUND and father of Solid, Liquid and Solidus Snake. He was known as "The Greatest Soldier of the 20th century. He was originally introduced in the first game as the commanding officer and eventual main antagonist, however, in subsequent games, his exact motivations and allegiances become increasingly complex as the series progresses.
Born as John in 1935, Big Boss became an apprentice of The Boss in 1950, who was considered to be the "Mother of Special Forces". For almost ten years she trained him and taught him everything he knew, before going their separate ways in 1959. Afterwards, John participated in several coverts ops for different branches of the US military including the Green Berets. Eventually, he joined the high-tech special forces unit FOX in 1964, under the command of Major Zero, where he was given the codename "Naked Snake". In 1964 Snake took part in Operation Snake Eater, where he was forced to kill his former mentor The Boss, who was originally believed to be a traitor, but was actually working as a double agent to steal a large sum of money known as "The Philosopher's Legacy", from a rogue Soviet army colonel named Volgin. Afterwards, Snake was awarded the title of "Big Boss" for having surpassed the Boss, however, Big Boss refused to use the name for a long time, not feeling that he had truly surpassed his fallen mentor. Big Boss also became increasingly bitter and disillusioned due to the circumstances behind his mentor's death and the manipulations of soldiers by politicians, not wishing to live his life as an expendable pawn like the Boss did.
Years later, his former commander Zero inherited the Philosopher's legacy and used it to start a secret organization known as "The Patriots", an organization that had enough power to rule the United States itself from behind the scenes. Zero invited Big Boss to join the Patriots with the goal of creating a world of unity in the vision of the Boss, but soon Zero became increasingly Machiavellian in his methods. Big Boss, believing that Zero had misinterpreted the Boss's will, left the organization in order to form his own version of an ideal world, a nation where soldiers would be free from control and the interference of politics. This started a feud between Zero and Big Boss which would drive many of the conflicts in the series. As time went on Big Boss became more ruthless and determined to destroy Zero and the Patriots, even going so far as to launch a coup against the US with the threat of nuclear war, which lead to his defeat at the hands of Solid Snake in 1999.
Big Boss then spent several years in a coma, before awakening many years later and realizing that both he and Zero had to die in order for the world to be at peace. After locating and killing Zero, Big Boss made amends with Solid Snake, before passing away in 2014 on the grave of The Boss.
Powers and Stats
Tier: 8-C physically, 8-B with weapons
Name: Big Boss (Name given to him after he surpassed his mentor, The Boss) real name John. Has many other names including Naked Snake, Jack and Salidin
Origin: Metal Gear
Gender: Male
Age: 29 (MGS3), 35 (Portable Ops), 39 (Peace Walker), 40 (Ground Zeroes), 49 (MGSV), 60 (Metal Gear), 65 (Metal Gear 2), 79 (MGS4)
Classification: Former Green Beret, FOX agent (former), Soldier, Spy, Mercenary, FOXHOUND founder
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Marksman and Hand-to-Hand Combatant. Expert in stealth tactics, covert operations, infiltration missions, espionage, survival tactics and demolitions. He has extensive knowledge of psychology and foreign languages (including Russian and French) and an incredibly charismatic and natural leader.
Attack Potency: Building level+ physically, City Block level with weapons
Speed: Supersonic+ via power-scaling (Should be no slower than Snake). Hypersonic combat speed (Has dodged gunfire and Volgin's lightning strikes, can match The Boss and Null, who can block bullets, in CQC. Defeated Gene who was even faster than Null. Comparable to Snake)
Lifting Strength: Class M (Can push up the Cocoo, which weighs approximately 9,500 tons )
Striking Strength: Class GJ
Durability: Building level+ (Survived electrocution from Volgin, whose body carries a charge of 10 million volts. Can also tank explosions and hits from ZEKE's railgu as well as trade blows with some of the heaviest hitters in the Metal Gear verse)
Stamina: Superhuman.
Range: Standard melee range with CQC. Up to a few kilometers with strongest weapons
Standard Equipment: Bandanna, Active Sonar, Analyzer, Antidote, Anti-Personal Sensor, Ballistic Shield, Bandages, Battery, Binoculars, Body Armour, Bug Juice, Camera, Camouflage, Cardboard Box, Cigar, Cold Medicine, Crocodile Cap, Digestive Medicine, Directional Microphone, Disinfectant, Fake Death Pill, Fulton surface-to-air recovery system, Handkerchief, Life Medicine, Magazine, Motion Detector, Night Vision Goggles, Revival Pill, Sneaking Suit, Stealth Camouflage, Thermal Goggles and a variety of weapons
Weaknesses: Not very smart academically speaking. He also tends to underestimate certain individuals with regards to completing a task, which can lead to disastrous consequences (Such as Chico and Solid Snake)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
- CQC: Unique and highly efficient martial arts allowing a soldier a variety of options while not denying them the use of weapons. It generally has the user taking a stance with knife and a handgun thus he/she could grab/throw opponents in melee, threaten/execute people with the sharp blade or shoot down opponents who are otherwise outside the user's range. CQC mostly focuses on grabs, throws and other methods to disarm the target, allowing one to take down enemies without killing them or use them like a human shield. A skilled practitioner can even "chain" throws, allowing to rapidly neutralize an entire group of soldiers. Big Boss was one of the creators of the technique and developed it while training with the Boss. He didn't use it for several years following his time in the Green Berets, but eventually became skilled enough to defeat the Boss in hand-to-hand combat. He would later go on to teach several others CQC, most noticeably Solid Snake. He is arguably the best user of CQC, having to use it to best Colonel Volgin (twice) The Ocelot unit, Ocelot, The Boss herself, Null, and Gene, and disarmed Solid Snake with ease at the elderly age of 79.
Summary
A man is only as good as his word. But in the underground world of assassins, mercenaries, and guns-for-hire, words mean little. What matters is action and follow through—completing the mission. That's what makes you good. Never failing—even when it comes to taking down the World's Greatest Super Heroes, some of the most powerful beings in the world—that's what makes you the best. That's what makes you Deathstroke.
Powers and Stats
Tier: Likely 9-A | 9-A with most weapons. At least 8-A with his staff
Name: Slade Joseph Wilson / Deathstroke the Terminator
Origin: DC Comics
Gender: Male
Age: Probably in his 50's
Classification: Metahuman, Assassin
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Regenerationn (Likely Low-Mid), Master Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Expert Marksman and Swordsma
Attack Potency: Likely Small Building level (Considerably stronger than Batma) | Small Building level with most weapons. At least Multi-City Block level with his staff (Melted a Helicopter)
Speed: Supersonic+ (Faster than Cassandra Cai, who outran a bullet)
Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Ripped a plane's door off its hinges while it was travelling at 500mph)
Striking Strength: Class MJ | At least Class GJ+ with his staff.
Durability: Likely Small Building level | Unknow
Stamina: High. He can fight even while heavily injured.
Range: Hundreds of meters with weaponry.
Standard Equipment: Firearms(Automatic Pistols commonly), explosives and detonators, Sword(s) of Various metals, and a ballistic staff that can one shot helicopters.
Special Equipment: Teleporter, Jetpack, Promethium Sword.
Intelligence: Extremely high. Deathstroke has been called the best strategist in the world.
Weaknesses: Unknown
Notable Attacks and Techniques:
Rules:
- Standard Battle Assumptions
- Full arsenal for both
Big Boss: 5 (Byakuya "Senbonzakura" Kuchiki,TISSG7Redgrave,PostmodernD,Hizack123,MrKingOfNegativity)
Inconclusive: 0 ()
Bump counter: 16
Character Stats
Summary
Big Boss is a central character in the Metal Gear series and one of the main playable protagonists along with Solid Snake and Raide. He was the founder of the High-tech special forces unit FOXHOUND and father of Solid, Liquid and Solidus Snake. He was known as "The Greatest Soldier of the 20th century. He was originally introduced in the first game as the commanding officer and eventual main antagonist, however, in subsequent games, his exact motivations and allegiances become increasingly complex as the series progresses.
Born as John in 1935, Big Boss became an apprentice of The Boss in 1950, who was considered to be the "Mother of Special Forces". For almost ten years she trained him and taught him everything he knew, before going their separate ways in 1959. Afterwards, John participated in several coverts ops for different branches of the US military including the Green Berets. Eventually, he joined the high-tech special forces unit FOX in 1964, under the command of Major Zero, where he was given the codename "Naked Snake". In 1964 Snake took part in Operation Snake Eater, where he was forced to kill his former mentor The Boss, who was originally believed to be a traitor, but was actually working as a double agent to steal a large sum of money known as "The Philosopher's Legacy", from a rogue Soviet army colonel named Volgin. Afterwards, Snake was awarded the title of "Big Boss" for having surpassed the Boss, however, Big Boss refused to use the name for a long time, not feeling that he had truly surpassed his fallen mentor. Big Boss also became increasingly bitter and disillusioned due to the circumstances behind his mentor's death and the manipulations of soldiers by politicians, not wishing to live his life as an expendable pawn like the Boss did.
Years later, his former commander Zero inherited the Philosopher's legacy and used it to start a secret organization known as "The Patriots", an organization that had enough power to rule the United States itself from behind the scenes. Zero invited Big Boss to join the Patriots with the goal of creating a world of unity in the vision of the Boss, but soon Zero became increasingly Machiavellian in his methods. Big Boss, believing that Zero had misinterpreted the Boss's will, left the organization in order to form his own version of an ideal world, a nation where soldiers would be free from control and the interference of politics. This started a feud between Zero and Big Boss which would drive many of the conflicts in the series. As time went on Big Boss became more ruthless and determined to destroy Zero and the Patriots, even going so far as to launch a coup against the US with the threat of nuclear war, which lead to his defeat at the hands of Solid Snake in 1999.
Big Boss then spent several years in a coma, before awakening many years later and realizing that both he and Zero had to die in order for the world to be at peace. After locating and killing Zero, Big Boss made amends with Solid Snake, before passing away in 2014 on the grave of The Boss.
Powers and Stats
Tier: 8-C physically, 8-B with weapons
Name: Big Boss (Name given to him after he surpassed his mentor, The Boss) real name John. Has many other names including Naked Snake, Jack and Salidin
Origin: Metal Gear
Gender: Male
Age: 29 (MGS3), 35 (Portable Ops), 39 (Peace Walker), 40 (Ground Zeroes), 49 (MGSV), 60 (Metal Gear), 65 (Metal Gear 2), 79 (MGS4)
Classification: Former Green Beret, FOX agent (former), Soldier, Spy, Mercenary, FOXHOUND founder
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Marksman and Hand-to-Hand Combatant. Expert in stealth tactics, covert operations, infiltration missions, espionage, survival tactics and demolitions. He has extensive knowledge of psychology and foreign languages (including Russian and French) and an incredibly charismatic and natural leader.
Attack Potency: Building level+ physically, City Block level with weapons
Speed: Supersonic+ via power-scaling (Should be no slower than Snake). Hypersonic combat speed (Has dodged gunfire and Volgin's lightning strikes, can match The Boss and Null, who can block bullets, in CQC. Defeated Gene who was even faster than Null. Comparable to Snake)
Lifting Strength: Class M (Can push up the Cocoo, which weighs approximately 9,500 tons )
Striking Strength: Class GJ
Durability: Building level+ (Survived electrocution from Volgin, whose body carries a charge of 10 million volts. Can also tank explosions and hits from ZEKE's railgu as well as trade blows with some of the heaviest hitters in the Metal Gear verse)
Stamina: Superhuman.
Range: Standard melee range with CQC. Up to a few kilometers with strongest weapons
Standard Equipment: Bandanna, Active Sonar, Analyzer, Antidote, Anti-Personal Sensor, Ballistic Shield, Bandages, Battery, Binoculars, Body Armour, Bug Juice, Camera, Camouflage, Cardboard Box, Cigar, Cold Medicine, Crocodile Cap, Digestive Medicine, Directional Microphone, Disinfectant, Fake Death Pill, Fulton surface-to-air recovery system, Handkerchief, Life Medicine, Magazine, Motion Detector, Night Vision Goggles, Revival Pill, Sneaking Suit, Stealth Camouflage, Thermal Goggles and a variety of weapons
- Weapons: Big Boss has used a huge range of weapons including, but not limited to: combat knives, pistols, shotguns, SMGs, assault rifles, sniper rifles, grenades, mines, plastic explosives, rocket launchers and anti-aircraft cannons.
Weaknesses: Not very smart academically speaking. He also tends to underestimate certain individuals with regards to completing a task, which can lead to disastrous consequences (Such as Chico and Solid Snake)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
- CQC: Unique and highly efficient martial arts allowing a soldier a variety of options while not denying them the use of weapons. It generally has the user taking a stance with knife and a handgun thus he/she could grab/throw opponents in melee, threaten/execute people with the sharp blade or shoot down opponents who are otherwise outside the user's range. CQC mostly focuses on grabs, throws and other methods to disarm the target, allowing one to take down enemies without killing them or use them like a human shield. A skilled practitioner can even "chain" throws, allowing to rapidly neutralize an entire group of soldiers. Big Boss was one of the creators of the technique and developed it while training with the Boss. He didn't use it for several years following his time in the Green Berets, but eventually became skilled enough to defeat the Boss in hand-to-hand combat. He would later go on to teach several others CQC, most noticeably Solid Snake. He is arguably the best user of CQC, having to use it to best Colonel Volgin (twice) The Ocelot unit, Ocelot, The Boss herself, Null, and Gene, and disarmed Solid Snake with ease at the elderly age of 79.
| No more work for hire. From today, I'll decide who needs to die. | ||
~ Slade Wilso |
A man is only as good as his word. But in the underground world of assassins, mercenaries, and guns-for-hire, words mean little. What matters is action and follow through—completing the mission. That's what makes you good. Never failing—even when it comes to taking down the World's Greatest Super Heroes, some of the most powerful beings in the world—that's what makes you the best. That's what makes you Deathstroke.
Powers and Stats
Tier: Likely 9-A | 9-A with most weapons. At least 8-A with his staff
Name: Slade Joseph Wilson / Deathstroke the Terminator
Origin: DC Comics
Gender: Male
Age: Probably in his 50's
Classification: Metahuman, Assassin
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Regenerationn (Likely Low-Mid), Master Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Expert Marksman and Swordsma
Attack Potency: Likely Small Building level (Considerably stronger than Batma) | Small Building level with most weapons. At least Multi-City Block level with his staff (Melted a Helicopter)
Speed: Supersonic+ (Faster than Cassandra Cai, who outran a bullet)
Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Ripped a plane's door off its hinges while it was travelling at 500mph)
Striking Strength: Class MJ | At least Class GJ+ with his staff.
Durability: Likely Small Building level | Unknow
Stamina: High. He can fight even while heavily injured.
Range: Hundreds of meters with weaponry.
Standard Equipment: Firearms(Automatic Pistols commonly), explosives and detonators, Sword(s) of Various metals, and a ballistic staff that can one shot helicopters.
Special Equipment: Teleporter, Jetpack, Promethium Sword.
Intelligence: Extremely high. Deathstroke has been called the best strategist in the world.
Weaknesses: Unknown
Notable Attacks and Techniques:
- Tactical Analysis: Slade is a great strategist and tactician. Always calculating his opponents moves before hand; he even single-handedly defeated the JLA roster that lacked the "Big Three". He has been compared to Batman in terms of tactical methods. Even against metahumans he has proven more than a match for them all at once with time to prepare. Roy Harper once claimed the Slade was, "The world's greatest tactician." Using his superior problem-solving skills, Deathstroke can work out a battle ahead of time for many possibilities and predict enemy movements and tactics after the battle has engaged by recalling and utilizing memorized mannerisms acquired through past experience on a moment's notice.
- Peripheral Combat Expert: Slade was trained to fight Peripherally by his Wife Adeline making Deathstroke capable of fighting and reacting at all sides and a master of his environment.
- Hand-to-Hand Combat (Advanced): Slade trained in hand-to-hand combat and when he was in the Army, he proved himself to be one of their best fighters. Later he received martial arts training in various styles. After mastering these martial arts he furthered his studies when he sought an assassin known as Natas to train him in the ways of Ninja and had studied assassination techniques. His physical prowess is so great that he has defeated Batman in hand to hand combat.
- Swordsmanship: Deathstroke is a highly trained swordsman; he is able to dual-wield a pair of katanas and to use them with deadly accuracy and an almost superhuman speed.
