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Death of the Endless (DC) VS LEM (I/O)
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I don't know really no much about each character.
Just from reading their profiles, I'd give it to Death of the Endless via seemingly better Hax, but LEM's page isn't very detailed, so I might be wrong.
Just from reading their profiles, I'd give it to Death of the Endless via seemingly better Hax, but LEM's page isn't very detailed, so I might be wrong.
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LEM from my knowledge is a baseline High 1-B. Death... To say the absolute least, is leagues into High 1-B. She literally oneshots.
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@A6colute
Dang... I didn't know you were active. Anyways... It is better to ask @Sandman something like that. However, just based on how LEM is High 1-B, and how Death scales to High 1-B.... Unless she is a lot higher than baseline High 1-B, and i mean of Chaos Gods / Dark Tower levels... Considering both of those turned inconclusive.... Death oneshots.
Dang... I didn't know you were active. Anyways... It is better to ask @Sandman something like that. However, just based on how LEM is High 1-B, and how Death scales to High 1-B.... Unless she is a lot higher than baseline High 1-B, and i mean of Chaos Gods / Dark Tower levels... Considering both of those turned inconclusive.... Death oneshots.
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Unless she is a lot higher than baseline High 1-B
1. In I/O every layer contains physical dimensions + reality/fiction + non-physical planes.
2. LEM has infinity layers below her.
3. So, LEM has infinity hierarchy of reality/fiction below her + infinity hierarchy of dimensions below her + infinity hierarchy of non-physical planes below her.
4. So, if you want defeat LEM, you must transcend those hierarchies.
1. In I/O every layer contains physical dimensions + reality/fiction + non-physical planes.
2. LEM has infinity layers below her.
3. So, LEM has infinity hierarchy of reality/fiction below her + infinity hierarchy of dimensions below her + infinity hierarchy of non-physical planes below her.
4. So, if you want defeat LEM, you must transcend those hierarchies.
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Scans my dude. You always treat I/O like this godlike unbeatable fiction but you never prove it. And I often hear that it is a Street level verse, and more often than what I hear from you about it being a High Outerversal verse.
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Wasn't this done before?
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That's not how it works. You have to provide scans if you're asked to.
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Those scans just show characters theorizing about the existence of infinite higher dimensions. It doesn't show proof of their existence. It doesn't show characters who are infinite-dimensional or have control over them. It doesn't show transcendence over it. It doesn't show any 1-A feat.
Seriously, gibbe scans.
Seriously, gibbe scans.
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Buddy.
The burden of proof is on you to show it isn't, not the other way around.
Kratos is 3A, provide scans to show he isn't.
The burden of proof is on you to show it isn't, not the other way around.
Kratos is 3A, provide scans to show he isn't.
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Those scans just show characters theorizing about the existence of infinite higher dimensions.
It's authors explanation through characters.
It doesn't show proof of their existence.
You say that? If an author wants, he can explain a sctructure of the verse through characters.
It's authors explanation through characters.
It doesn't show proof of their existence.
You say that? If an author wants, he can explain a sctructure of the verse through characters.
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Just link the scan of Marduk creating infinite dimensional structures in his sleep, I'd do it but I'm on mobile right now. Also why are you people believing the trend that Beyonder started of Street level I/O? Lol
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No it isn't. It is flawed, human characters speculating about something.
I can show in-universe speculation of Warhammer 40,000 characters suggesting that the Main Tyranid Swarm is the size of a galactic cluster. Doesn't mean they are right. In fact, they are horribly wrong and are biased by fear and insanity.
And no, absolutely not. If an author wants to, he will outright show the nature of his cosmology, possibly even with something as basic as a narration over a background image of the multiverse. That scene in question shows neither.
Even the text supports me:
"It's probably a case of backwards compatibility that pertains to the laws of physics"
"I mean, there's no guarantee that there's not an even higher world that exists above the world above us that we can't see, is there?"
"It's possible that it's not merely three worlds that have superposed"
The characters aren't certain. They showcase blatant doubt in their talk, which is, of course, like all other I/O scans, devoid of further context or explanation.
That by itself doesn't prove anything. The characters are just speculating.
I can show in-universe speculation of Warhammer 40,000 characters suggesting that the Main Tyranid Swarm is the size of a galactic cluster. Doesn't mean they are right. In fact, they are horribly wrong and are biased by fear and insanity.
And no, absolutely not. If an author wants to, he will outright show the nature of his cosmology, possibly even with something as basic as a narration over a background image of the multiverse. That scene in question shows neither.
Even the text supports me:
"It's probably a case of backwards compatibility that pertains to the laws of physics"
"I mean, there's no guarantee that there's not an even higher world that exists above the world above us that we can't see, is there?"
"It's possible that it's not merely three worlds that have superposed"
The characters aren't certain. They showcase blatant doubt in their talk, which is, of course, like all other I/O scans, devoid of further context or explanation.
That by itself doesn't prove anything. The characters are just speculating.
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Damn, y'all got beef going on? No wonder I hardly see y'all on the same threads
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@A6
Can you please stop trying to start a shitstorm for no reason other than reviving an old beef? Thanks.
Can you please stop trying to start a shitstorm for no reason other than reviving an old beef? Thanks.
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Ya only making ya grave for yaself man.
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I ''really'' don't like the direction this thread is going towards...
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@Iapetus
It has nothing to do with the Beyonder. It has to do with multiple people who I trust, even in this wiki, saying it is Street level. People who've read it.
@A6
Drop this, now. Stop bringing up ancient dead drama and appealing to emotion and twisting my purpose. Bring up better scans, or don't..
It has nothing to do with the Beyonder. It has to do with multiple people who I trust, even in this wiki, saying it is Street level. People who've read it.
@A6
Drop this, now. Stop bringing up ancient dead drama and appealing to emotion and twisting my purpose. Bring up better scans, or don't..
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Except it's your job to provide scans of the characters's powers.
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Are we really going to try to downgrade a verse on 9 month old thread based on a writer not using a heavy handed writing style, instead using character speaking hypothetically to do exposition?
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@A6
Ever heard of the concept of Burden of Proof?
It is your job, as the person asserting a statement, to bring up undeniable facts that back up your statement. You have the job to prove a positive, not I to prove a negative.
A statement without proof is meaningless, even if it cannot be proven.
Want an example? In the backyard of my house there is a pink flying unicorn. However, unfortunately it is an invisible unicorn with powers of intangibility.
This is a statement that literally cannot be proven incorrect, but it is also meaningless, and obviously false.
Ever heard of the concept of Burden of Proof?
It is your job, as the person asserting a statement, to bring up undeniable facts that back up your statement. You have the job to prove a positive, not I to prove a negative.
A statement without proof is meaningless, even if it cannot be proven.
Want an example? In the backyard of my house there is a pink flying unicorn. However, unfortunately it is an invisible unicorn with powers of intangibility.
This is a statement that literally cannot be proven incorrect, but it is also meaningless, and obviously false.
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We don't use unproven character statements for any Verse. Why should I/O stand up to receive special treatment?Iapitus The Impaler said:
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Chill out, my dude.A6colute said:
And in fact, I can. Those scans you have in the Verse Page are objectively terrible on multiple factors.
- 1) They are horribly low-res. You couldn't have been bothered to screenshot higher quality images?
- 2) They are devoid of any context. It would have been much preferred if you had posted the whole scene, more cosmology bits, perhaps made an Explanation Blog for I/O as a whole, containing links and scans, rather than just post the bare bones and then rant on every thread about it
- 3) They are just unproven character speculation, coming from characters who admit their uncertainty before and after stating what they only believe may be the case.
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If you get all proofs, show me the proof. So far this is me searchin for proof:
Also, it is your problem. If the Verse you support is criticized for showing no proof of its rating, and you don't reply with proof, it will eventually be downgraded.
The solid criteria exists, and it's simple: Show undeniable feats and statements, not unproven admittedly uncertain in-universe theories.
Also, it is your problem. If the Verse you support is criticized for showing no proof of its rating, and you don't reply with proof, it will eventually be downgraded.
The solid criteria exists, and it's simple: Show undeniable feats and statements, not unproven admittedly uncertain in-universe theories.
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Can you just lock this thread
Looks like it will lead to a problem
Looks like it will lead to a problem
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No, there is an honest discussion going on. Locking it will just try to silence speech, and lead to profiles continuing being unreliable.
I would appreciate if people not start hyperbolic shouting "Oh no!" whenever people disagree, and instead just talk like adults.
I would appreciate if people not start hyperbolic shouting "Oh no!" whenever people disagree, and instead just talk like adults.
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So you are gonna favor writing who use the crappy writing style of dead pan stating shit instead of using characters to speak about their view of the world for exposition?
When Mamazuku from JJBA spends 17 pages out of a chapter saying "hey guys, I think there is this evil organisation made up of pharmasists, scientists, and doctors. It should work like this and come from the one island off the coast of Green Land," you actually think that the author isnt telling us about the enemy?
When Mamazuku from JJBA spends 17 pages out of a chapter saying "hey guys, I think there is this evil organisation made up of pharmasists, scientists, and doctors. It should work like this and come from the one island off the coast of Green Land," you actually think that the author isnt telling us about the enemy?
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Authorial intent isn't proof unless it's backed up by statements from characters who can be proven to know what they're talking about or feats.
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