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Death of Endless vs The Living Tribunal

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Death gets curb stomped by Oblivion unless she got upgraded.

Maybe she can defeat Oblivion if she didn't get downgraded because you know 1-A matches are all about power scaling and since Oblivion's the sole 1-A in Marvel you cant really power scale him to anyone

Unless Death turns to 1-A i'm pretty sure that Oblivion stomps her

TOAA vs Death is a no brainer.Nothing can defeat TOAA
 
Skytheblue said:
How does the Living Tribunal beat Death but Pre Retcon Beyonder loses to her? Isn't PR Beyonder stronger than the LT?
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The reason she won was bcuz of mindhax, above reasons and bcuz she is hot.
 
LuckyCharmingStar said:
Skytheblue said:
How does the Living Tribunal beat Death but Pre Retcon Beyonder loses to her? Isn't PR Beyonder stronger than the LT?
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The reason she won was bcuz of mindhax, above reasons and bcuz she is hot.
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no, it's not because of mindhax and because of her look

Death outclassed him in both Hax and sheer power
 
The reason she won was bcuz of mindhax, above reasons and bcuz she is hot.

no, it's not because of mindhax and because of her look

Death outclassed him in both Hax and sheer power

Really? When i readed it they obly said via mindhax and above reason
 
You can't Kill her if you or anybody can still Die. The Concept is needed for Reality To function. Death of the Endless Wins FRA
 
I don't know if this is still dead or not...


But I think Death of The Endless would win... mostly cause of who she is. Part of her life exists in the Overmind... which in itself is a Tier 0.


So at the very least, LB couldn't really get rid of her unless he could destroy tier 0 characters.
 
what u all forget is that the Living Tribunal we saw in the comics all these years is not the actual Force. The LT is a 16th dimensional Force which resides within the 16 dimension [[1]]

And since he is an abstract Force that doesn't have any physical body to manifest itself within the multiverse "since his true form is too powerful for anyone to comprehend", he like all the other abstract entities goes to the Manifestation Body dimension to get an M-body. They also need time to practice and master the M-body [[2]]

An M-Body possess only a fraction power of the actual Force since the LT is not fully manifesting itself, he still resides within the 16th dimension.

So the question is, how powerful is this M-body LT which is vastly less powerful than the actual Force? The answer is [[3]] powerful enough to oversee and exist in all the multiverses simultaneously.

An omnipresent being, the supreme being in all these multiverses, It's not just one multiverse but infinite numbers of them. This was later retconned into only one multiverse when they depowered the LT.

So is Death of the Endless power powerful than the actual Force which we havent yet seen It's capabilities? Absolutely not, the LT was already stated to be second to the creator himself, just like the Phoenix Force.

Is Death of the Endless more powerful than the M-body LT? That's debatable but i will back the LT up..
 
It really isn't a question of power though. The issue is can Death claim him? Lucifer himself stated that Death would claim everyone.

Hell she even exists in the Marvel universe.
 
@ princess If the Living tribunal is only 16th dimensional Death stomps him hard as she is at minimum infinite dimensional (high 1-B) and circumstantially a 1-A.
 
TheSandman31 said:
LuckyCharmingStar said:
TheSandman31 said:
Lucifer told Dream to cut his wings because he's leaving hell. He also said that he won't harm Dream because Dream was so scared of Lucifer that he thinks that battling him is a suicide missio
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and this feat is above every High 1-B level?
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That isn't even a feat...
also Lucifer is a 1-A who once 1 shot a 1-A and Mazikeen with his powers turned Gabriel to a 1-A.So Dream being scared of Lucifer is only natural

Lucifer would stomp everyone in Marvel except TOAA
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no no and no lucifer wont stomp pre retcon beyonder nor oblvion cause if thats the case he should be tier-0 but he is weaker than the presence whom is 1-A so no
 
Delta3000 said:
@ princess
If the Living tribunal is only 16th dimensional Death stomps him hard as she is at minimum infinite dimensional (high 1-B) and circumstantially a 1-A.
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yes but she has no feats to put her at 1-A
 
This thread is super outdated. As of writing this, Death stomps hard. LT isn't a match even for normal Monitors.

Also @Slenderbak, she's 1-A because she's canonically superior to Dream of the Endless, who has a 1-A feat.
 
Hilarious outlier for Iceman though. But still, Living Tribunal gets his ass kicked in literally every single event so yeah LT ain't much.
 
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