DEATH BATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 8, The Rebirth]

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Anyone know the OST to this?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well it seems like Danny Phantom vs Jake Long is probably gonna end up in the Wrong + Decent Research list since just like Ben 10, Danny's likely about to get hit with some major downgrades to the point were Jake would just blitz and hit him once and k.o him R.I.P ghost boy.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Anyone find the OST for the DBX above?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Well it seems like Danny Phantom vs Jake Long is probably gonna end up in the Wrong + Decent Research list since just like Ben 10, Danny's likely about to get hit with some major downgrades to the point were Jake would just blitz and hit him once and k.o him R.I.P ghost boy.

doubt that. Danny's still gonna be too fast and can possess Jake and call it a day

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

So, who wins between Wally and Archie if both Super Sonic and rebirth Wally are low 1-C?

 

[Oleggator]

So, who wins between Wally and Archie if both Super Sonic and rebirth Wally are low 1-C?

Wally is 6D while AS is 5D so Wally wins.

 

[DragonLord]

Wally is 6D while AS is 5D so Wally wins.

Not on the site currently I believe. Wally is just 5

 

[Teezar]

Speed force>>>>5D bleed-space.

 

[The_Smashor]

Mario vs Sonic 2 should be lower, as they claimed to only use properties that supported the games but then used the Super Mario Brothers Super Show and the Sonic OVA for major feats (In fact, the OVA was Sonic's main power feat they used). The gap between Mario and Hyper Sonic is also even larger than even the gap between Yang vs Tifa (While there are more tiers between High 8-C and 3-B than there are between 4-A and 2-C, the gap between 4-A and 2-C is higher, even if we don't use dimensional tiering). It also has the biggest speed gap, being Massively FTL+ vs Immeasurable. They also gave Mario power-ups that he's been shown not to be able to carry around, like SMB2's stop watch or NSMB2's Golden Flower. They also claimed that Super Sonic wouldn't scale to Solaris due to having a different power source. Even ignoring how stupid of a reason it is, this is also completely false.

I honestly think it's the #1 most wrong episode in the series. At least Bomberman technically had a small chance of accidentally killing himself with his bombs before he could blitz and one shot Dig-Dug. There is not a single situation where Hyper Sonic loses to Mario.

 

[DragonLord]

Speed force>>>>5D bleed-space.

To my knowledge the profile doesn’t treat that as a transcendence. I mean hell the profiles doesn’t even mention the bleed. Just hypertime

 

[Teezar]

Also, IIRC Archie Sonic might actually blitz due to blitzing immeasurables in-verse.

Also I don't think anyone knows if Wally is 5D or 6D

Speed force>>>>all immeasurables both 5D and higher and even irrelevant characters in DC.
Flash forward wally>>>>>>speed force.
Manhattan wally >>>>>flash forward wally.
Current Wally >>>>>Manhattan wally>>>flash forward Wally in speed.

Now with speed surge his speed is unknown for now just deadly to reality and to him.

The speed force is actually nigh-omnipresent in a way or actually is.

 

[Teezar]

So, who wins between Wally and Archie if both Super Sonic and rebirth Wally are low 1-C?

Wally.

 

[DragonLord]

Speed force>>>>all immeasurables both 5D and higher and even irrelevant characters in DC.
Flash forward wally>>>>>>speed force.
Manhattan wally >>>>>flash forward wally.
Current Wally >>>>>Manhattan wally>>>flash forward Wally in speed.

Now with speed surge his speed is unknown for now just deadly to reality and to him.

The speed force is actually nigh-omnipresent in a way or actually is.

Can I have a source on the Irrelevant stuff?, because right now Sonic is countlessly above immeasurable due to the Great harmony Emeralds combining countless amount of Immeasurable Emeralds

 

[Teezar]

To my knowledge the profile doesn’t treat that as a transcendence. I mean hell the profiles doesn’t even mention the bleed. Just hypertime

Hypertime dimensionality contains even the sphere of gods that's higher than the speed force and the 5D bleed-space.

Can I have a source on the Irrelevant stuff?, because right now Sonic is countlessly above immeasurable due to the Great harmony Emeralds combining countless amount of Immeasurable Emeralds

Speed force grants motion to everyone in DC eveb the 5D imps and everyone literally so yes it includes characters that are irrelevant in speed and I already gave you wally speed scaling above .

 

[DragonLord]

Hypertime dimensionality contains even the sphere of gods that's higher than the speed force and the 5D bleed-space.

Source?, and if that’s true that should just be on the profile in some way

also I think the sphere of the gods is only 5D anyway on site

Speed force grants motion to everyone in DC eveb the 5D imps and everyone literally so yes it includes characters that are irrelevant in speed and I already gave you wally speed scaling above

Again I’d like source but I heavily doubt irrelevant characters are connected to the speed force at all. The whole point of Irrelevant Speed is that movement is well. Irrelevant. I believe Without that part Archie Sonic would be faster

and again. If true that should just be on the profile

 

[Teezar]

Source?, and if that’s true that should just be on the profile in some way

also I think the sphere of the gods is only 5D anyway on site

Go read DC comics on hypertime lmao. Why would hypertime have a profile here?
Lol, it's rated as low 1-C cause it's higher dimensional than the 5D bleed space and by unknown margin as DC is complex no shit about it being 5D unless you show me the thread .

Source?, and if that’s true that should just be on the profile in some way

also I think the sphere of the gods is only 5D anyway on site



Again I’d like source but I heavily doubt irrelevant characters are connected to the speed force at all. The whole point of Irrelevant Speed is that movement is well. Irrelevant. I believe Without that part Archie Sonic would be faster

and again. If true that should just be on the profile

Lmao it one of the 7 energies used in DC which Grant's motion to everyone.
It's on his profile flash forward wally>>>>speed force.

The speed force is also nigh-omnipresent.

 

[DragonLord]

Go read DC comics on hypertime lmao. Why would hypertime have a profile here?
Lol, it's rated as low 1-C cause it's higher dimensional than the 5D bleed space and by unknown margin as DC is complex no shit about it being 5D unless you show me the thread .

Well. 1: You can make profiles on locations now. and 2: you can explain on the profile itself why destroying Hypertime is 6D. Which is what I assumed you were talking about

Lmao it one of the 7 energies used in DC which Grant's motion to everyone.
It's on his profile flash forward wally>>>>speed force.

I know of Flash outrunning the speed force but it can explain why outrunning the speed force goes over irrelevant characters

And really I still doubt it does. Like. Characters in DC outright made the speed force. They probably don’t use it for motion while outside the Bleed

 

[DragonLord]

You also don’t get a speed rating on outrunning omnipresence I believe. In fact it’s a anti feat for the omnipresent thing

 

[Teezar]

Well. 1: You can make profiles on locations now. and 2: you can explain on the profile itself why destroying Hypertime is 6D. Which is what I assumed you were talking about

This ain't my concern.i don't need to make a thread on hypertime and teirs can't be added.
And I already gave you reason on hypertime.

I know of Flash outrunning the speed force but it can explain why outrunning the speed force goes over irrelevant characters

It gives motion to everyone and everything.

And really I still doubt it does. Like. Characters in DC outright made the speed force. They probably don’t use it for motion

The source or the presence don't really remember who it was stated gave it to perpetua in death metal.

You also don’t get a speed rating on outrunning omnipresence I believe. In fact it’s a anti feat for the omnipresent thing

Except it gives everyone motion and connected to everything with motion so I'm pretty sure it's nigh omnipresent as it exists in all dimensions, universes and era as stated by barry allen even bart allen became the embodiment of it but he ain't got a profile.

 

[DragonLord]

This ain't my concern.i don't need to make a thread on hypertime and teirs can't be added.
And I already gave you reason on hypertime.

A reasoning without scans on here or on the profile to back it up. People don’t have the time to shuffle through decades of comics to find what your talking about and don’t the time to shuffle through thousands of threads to see what’s been accepted

location profiles can state how big an area is which is the “tier” I suppose

Except it gives everyone motion and connected to everything with motion so I'm pretty sure it's nigh omnipresent as it exists in all dimensions, universes and era as stated by barry allen even bart allen became the embodiment of it but he ain't got a profile.

I didn’t doubt it’s high omnipresent. I’m just stating that outrunning such a thing doesn’t give a rating on this site

It gives motion to everyone and everything.

The source or the presence don't really remember who it was stated gave it to perpetua in death metal.

Again would like a proper explanation and sources here

 

[Teezar]

A reasoning without scans on here or on the profile to back it up. People don’t have the time to shuffle through decades of comics to find what your talking about and don’t the time to shuffle through thousands of threads to see what’s been accepted

location profiles can state how big an area is which is the “tier” I suppose

I ain't making a thread on hypertime,lol.

I didn’t doubt it’s high omnipresent. I’m just stating that outrunning such a thing doesn’t give a rating on this site

OK.

A reasoning without scans on here or on the profile to back it up. People don’t have the time to shuffle through decades of comics to find what your talking about and don’t the time to shuffle through thousands of threads to see what’s been accepted

location profiles can state how big an area is which is the “tier” I suppose


I didn’t doubt it’s high omnipresent. I’m just stating that outrunning such a thing doesn’t give a rating on this site




Again would like a proper explanation and sources here

The motion part is from JL 2018 and the speed force as one of the energies given to perpetua, I Don't really remember the book but I can check if I've got time.

 

[DragonLord]

The motion part is from JL 2018 and the speed force as one of the energies given to perpetua, I Don't really remember the book but I can check if I've got time.

the whole thing about perpetua was that her power was diminished. Pretty sure She was using the Seven forces of the Universe to get back to her true power that she used to have naturally. I don’t think that implies she always needs the speed force to move from my memory (hell on this site her Low 1-C Rating isn’t even given a full immeasurable) just that she can use it along with the 6 other energies to revitalize herself

 

[Teezar]

the whole thing about perpetua was that her power was diminished. Pretty sure She was using the Seven forces of the Universe to get back to her true power that she used to have naturally.

Lol, did you watch snyder's video? It's cause she was sealed in the source wall so her powers became diminished as well and what does she have to do here? I need scans it's stated she was using the 7 forces of the Universe to get back to her true power (this ***** think i didn't read JL 2018 and death metal and other books associated with her).
Lol the speed force is what gives motion to the multiverse even if the source or presence gave it to her or the hands to make multiverses.
I can make a thread she can based on she battled TDK who his battle with golden wonder woman was making them hit each other through time plus did you miss when I stated everyone and everything needs it for motion?

 

[DragonLord]

(this ***** think i didn't read JL 2018 and death metal and other books associated with her).

When did I say that I thought that. I’m just asking for like. A direct source and explanation. Like “JL 2018” and “Death Metal” is still a pretty fair amount of books to look through to show what your talking about

did you miss when I stated everyone and everything needs it for motion?

I did not. But I can’t just take your word. I’d prefer the book that shows that. Because I mean there are a TON of characters that just straight up are outside the speed force wall in the Multiverse map and a few that literally look at it as fictional

I need scans it's stated she was using the 7 forces of the Universe to get back to her true power

I mean. The whole arc of Year of the Villain was getting the Seven Hidden forces to get her Power Back

i guess misspoke in saying she was using the seven forces and not the hidden forces. Though I still don’t really see how the speed force being a part of the seven forces implies she needs the speed force to move in her True Godly state outside the Multiverse

 

[Teezar]

As long as such characters need motion, speed force is involved except stated otherwise in comics

 

[DragonLord]

As long as such characters need motion, speed force is involved except stated otherwise in comics

I really doubt that for the characters that see the speed force as a comic book. I mean to even apply for Irrelevant speed you need to quantifiably superior to even the concept of motion and time itself. By the rules to be irrelevant you’d probably need to be superior to the Speed Force to that it’s basically fiction

 

[Teezar]

Scans they see speed force as a comic book.
Except you send scans such beings don't need speed force then it falls under default they need it for motion.

 

[DragonLord]

Scans they see speed force as a comic book.
Except you send scans such beings don't need speed force then it falls under default they need it for motion.

I mean. Even just on the Mr Mxy page he refers to every version of DC reality as a comic or cartoon etc to him

and even then there are people like Dr Manhattan who Mxy cannot even touch and then the monitors who are outside the Multiverse map itself including the speed force as the end of reality

honestly not sure where the idea the Imps need the speed force come from in the first place, even by Mxy’s own word in recent issues he seems to imply he’s beyond the Speed Force

 

[Teezar]

honestly not sure where the idea the Imps need the speed force come from in the first place, even by Mxy’s own word in recent issues he seems to imply he’s beyond the Speed Force

I Don't remember such statement especially as speed force is beyond the 5D bleed-space and connected to sphere of gods.

and even then there are people like Dr Manhattan who Mxy cannot even touch and then the monitors who are outside the Multiverse map itself including the speed force as the end of reality

When you realise doctor Manhattan IS 3D,lol.
Yes from limbo upwards aren't connected to DCU but in flash 2016 it's shown now after death metal the speed force is connected to the omniverse.

I mean. Even just on the Mr Mxy page he refers to every version of DC reality as a comic or cartoon etc to him

Has nothing to do with speed force,lol.

 

[DragonLord]

and connected to sphere of gods.

The Sphere of the gods is right above the speed force on the map though

after death metal the speed force is connected to the omniverse.

How exactly does that matter: the Omniverse in DC is basically just more 3D Universes

Has nothing to do with speed force,lol.

he sees reality as a comic the same way we do. When we see the speed force in a comic that’s how he sees the speed force himself. By his own words the fifth dimension is everywhere in the multiverse (with him even pointing to the Multiverse Map which includes the Speed Force and particularly to the monitor realm). His realm is bigger then anything on the map expect the source wall. If he was In the bleed. He’d probably be pointing to that

 

[DragonLord]

Though honestly arguing about DC Cosmology in terms of what’s accepted on this site is kinda pointless. It’s going through a absolutely massive revision. One that’ll probably makes Lucifer 1-B lmao

 

[Teezar]

The Sphere of the gods is right above the speed force on the map though

Still connected to each other.

How exactly does that matter: the Omniverse in DC is basically just more 3D Universes

Lol, it's unknown according to infinite frontier if their map has the same cosmology like the one we know,lol.

Basically what's shown in moat current books as the start of this new arc.

he sees reality as a comic the same way we do. When we see the speed force in a comic that’s how he sees the speed force himself.

I will need scans of this statement or where it was shown,lol.

By his own words the fifth dimension is everywhere in the multiverse (with him even pointing to the Multiverse Map which includes the Speed Force).

That's cause imagination exists everywere like the speed force. And the 5th dimension explanation is like the bleed as it's also stated to Connect all dimensions.

His realm is bigger then anything on the map expect the source wall. If he was In the bleed. He’d probably be pointing to that

I need scans of this.

Though honestly arguing about DC Cosmology in terms of what’s accepted on this site is kinda pointless. It’s going through a absolutely massive revision. One that’ll probably makes Lucifer 1-B lmao

So why tell me?

 

[DragonLord]

So why tell me?

Not a part of the people doing the project but basically the Site right now has what can be considered a “composite” cosmology for DC. Eventually there going to remedy that and split them up to where what’s current is the main rating I believe. The aftermath meaning no Tier 0 and he’ll probably not even High 1-A DC characters

 

[DragonLord]

Still connected to each other.

Still a lack of sources here specially when there directly shown to be outside of the speed force

 

[Teezar]

Not a part of the people doing the project but basically the Site right now has what can be considered a “composite” cosmology for DC. Eventually there going to remedy that and split them up to where what’s current is the main rating I believe. The aftermath meaning no Tier 0 and he’ll probably not even High 1-A DC characters

Like I said why tell me?

Still a lack of sources here specially when there directly shown to be outside of the speed force

Lol, imagination exists everywhere in the multiverse and omniverse and same as the speed force.

 

[DragonLord]

Like I said why tell me?

I believe it’s that the evidence used to get DC to High 1-A or higher is said to be contradictory to current showings of the cosmology. I’ll have to talk to the people doing it directly for full details.

 

[Teezar]

Why tell me?

 

[DragonLord]

You know I just realized. Currently the Wally West DB used (I assume The Entire Speed Force Wally since the Manhattan powers weren’t mentioned at all from my memory of the video) is only At least Low Multiverse level on site, the Low 1-C are only rated as possibly for now meaning I think Archie Sonic wins by default using just the solid ratings given

though really I think DC and Marvel profiles kinda run counter intuitive to this thread since the ones on site change so heavily

 

[Teezar]

Solid ratings don't grant win,lol.
Plus wallyhattan is atleast low 1-C not atleaat low multiversal.