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DCEU Batman should be 9-A

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Qawsedf234 said:
And in said comics we don't scale Batman to Superman because it doesn't make any sense.
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Missed the point again. Batman is supposedly peak human but when he up and does something superhuman like Batman is wont to do, we don’t bat an eye cuz it’s fiction. “Normal humans” isn’t a limiter for their feats when they consistently do something of a certain level.
Qawsedf234 said:
I did and it would still be mercs scaling to Batman who scales to Superman. It doesn't make any degree of sense.
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Incredulity. That’s literally all this is since your whole argument boils down to “this doesn’t make sense to me”. Suspend your disbelief for a sec and realise that the only feats these guys have is tagging Batman and only from behind or when he is tired. They don’t actually scale to him and even if they did, it would be their only line of scaling, ergo it’s what they should be.
Qawsedf234 said:
Being tired wouldn't change the fact that Batman would move at lightspeed according to you. Unless the mercs are also moving at lightspeed Batman would have defeated all of them in under a microsecond.
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So what’s the issue? What other scaling do they have?
Qawsedf234 said:
Him being surprised and not reacting is the issue his car via WoG tops put somewhere around 100 MPH. The speed of light moves at 186,000+ miles per second. He shouldn't have been shocked if he could read multiple novels in the timespan it takes a bullet to travel 5 meters.
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Plot. That’s all this is. Jedi who swat lasers out of the air and have future sight still bump into people around the corner or get surprised.
Qawsedf234 said:
A Superman explicitly holding back who told him seconds before the fight would have been over if he actually wanted to kill Batman.
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Cuz Supes can murder Bats by breathing. This doesn’t mean Bats can’t react. Especially when the moment Superman tried, Bats completely evaded a bull rush and ghosted Supes’ senses which can hear a coin drop across the city.
Qawsedf234 said:
Flash statues Batman every time in super speed and I have no idea what your second comment is referencing.
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Tunnel fight after Flash pushes Diana’s sword back to her. He trip while running and Bats is able to see, aim his gun and catch Barry’s ragdolling body before he falls.
Qawsedf234 said:
No, it's a bad idea to attempt to scale Batman to Rel+.
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It’s not. You’re just weirdly hung up on him being a dude.
Qawsedf234 said:
If you feel that strongly about the subject make a CRT on it. This is for a 9-A key for Batman. It has nothing to do with speed.
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Sure. Sorry for the derail.

On topic for the 9-A, someone mentioned above that some of the wall destruction is 9-B+, so the gap to 9-A ain’t that big. Bats has a direct 9-A feat and the Batmobile tanked an exploding car to the face which a CGM said would qualify for the total destruction of a car which is another 9-A feat Bats scales to via Parademons. Yes, the cannons were punching through the car but it was still intact when it got obliterated on the Batmobile.

Doesn’t make sense to ignore two 9-A feats with a lot of casual 9-B support to downgrade Parademons.
 
Then we get back on topic
And I have to say I still agree with 9-B
The Parademons 9-A makes no sense since they’re damaging the Batmobile which is 9-B+ Via calcs and the gap seems too wide to just upscale them to 9-A unless the Batmobile itself has feats higher then this (It likely does in the SnyderVerse but for it's external weapons)

This is also ignoring their feat in particular is tearing off guns on the Batmobile and the glass canopy and not just puncturing the main amour of the tank with their strikes (which would likely be what's tanking the majority of the force in it's ramming feats) or even the fact Bruce would backscale since while he fights them he is solidly weaker in an outright fight as you can see in the first fight under Gotham Harbor (the latter instance has him using a grapple to boost his full body kick and then calling the Knightcrawler)

At the very most we have the grounds for a 9-B+ from this feat and the general feats (like Bruce smashing through walls and bricks casually). As for the Supes thing - we’ve long refused to accept since having a super armored fist would definitely be increasing Bruce’s striking power, regardless of WOG and even this is also Ignoring it’s the only 9-A feat Bruce himself solidly has in the two (three?) films and the many comics from the DCEU so there's clearly something fishy here.

I do know Peacemaker has some good feats but I'm unsure if we'd be able to scale Bruce from them and I haven't watched Peacemaker myself thanks to not having HBO Max.
 
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Them being vaguely around 9-B+ for damaging the armor and Armored Bruce keeping the 9-A rating is fine I guess.
 
the pillar smashing feat should scale to Batman's normal stats because Snyder says the suit doesn't enchance his physical strength more so his durability.
 
ItalianGuy1234 said:
the pillar smashing feat should scale to Batman's normal stats because Snyder says the suit doesn't enchance his physical strength more so his durability.
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It's contradicted by feats and the guidebook statement saying the suit enhances Batman's strength to counteract the lead alloyed material of the armor
 
Actually wait
A Shazam sourcebook argues Barry is sub Bruce so that might be something for 9-A
Not sure how that rolls with the Parademons though or if that means Barry gains strength by building up speed
 
ItalianGuy1234 said:
nothing in that page says he gets his strenght amplified.
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It days the suit is incredibly heavy, but Batman has an internal power source that allows him to move unencumbered.

It's power armor, 8t amplifies strength.
 
That doesn’t mean that he can output more than normal, just that the suit has its own servos so that he isn’t weighed down by it. The Armored Batsuit amping his strength is headcanon.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
just that the suit has its own servos so that he isn’t weighed down by it.
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But that would amp his strength and his punching power. The fact that the armor can lift itself is a strength boost.
 
ItalianGuy1234 said:
that's just head
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It's directly stated that the armor has a power source that allows Batman to lift the armor without encumbering himself. Thst combined with the Armored Batsuit's better feats just gives the implication thst Snyder's quote doesn't apply.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It's directly stated that the armor has a power source that allows Batman to lift the armor without encumbering himself. Thst combined with the Armored Batsuit's better feats just gives the implication thst Snyder's quote doesn't apply.
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no, this is just your narrative that is not supported anywhere. The "power source" helps Batman carry the armour around, that doesn't correlate to him punching harder, it's just headcanon.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It correlates to him lifting more, which would increase his swinging strength which is what the 9-A calc is based on.
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you are twisting it to fit your personal narrative, it doesn't say any of that and it's already stated he doesn't get amped by the suit, Just drop this point buddy, kek.
 
no, that is just what you think and what you think doesn't matter if Snyder says it's not true, I don't see the name Qawsed234 popping up in any of the credits of any DCEU media.
 
Like Hellbeast said WoG is just supplementary evidence. If its not backed up by the narrative we don't use it. Its why Steppenwolf and Doomsday don't have a 5-C or High 6-A rating.
 
WoG doesn’t contradict anything here tho. Zack says the suit doesn’t make him stronger, just more durable. That’s the same thing as the databook scan. A power core to help move the weight of the suit doesn’t equate to it amping Bats in terms of SS or LS when the only mention of strength in the scan is about the armor being the strongest where it is in regards to its weight and composition, as evidenced by the sentence talking about it being lined with lead. The entry even starts off by explaining that it’s meant to protect Bats, not make him stronger.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Like Hellbeast said WoG is just supplementary evidence. If its not backed up by the narrative we don't use it. Its why Steppenwolf and Doomsday don't have a 5-C or High 6-A rating.
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TBH that's more it's a flatout outlier but I get what you mean
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WoG doesn’t contradict anything here tho. Zack says the suit doesn’t make him stronger, just more durable. That’s the same thing as the databook scan. A power core to help move the weight of the suit doesn’t equate to it amping Bats in terms of SS or LS when the only mention of strength in the scan is about the armor being the strongest where it is in regards to its weight and composition, as evidenced by the sentence talking about it being lined with lead. The entry even starts off by explaining that it’s meant to protect Bats, not make him stronger.
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In fairness if the core is designed to help move the suit it does put into question how much of it is Bruce
Also what ya'll think of my thing
 
The power source would only account for Bats lifting the additional weight of the suit, nothing supports it doing anything more than that without an actual statement.

The Batman > Barry thing? It’s another 9-A Batman scan imo unless we are gonna downgrade every 9-A character Bats scales to to 9-B.
 
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AnonymousBlank said:
The power source would only account for Bats lifting the additional weight of the suit, nothing supports it doing anything more than that without an actual statement.
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It would imply the suit at least does somewhat aid his personal strength but I'm eh on it with the Flash statement (we could try a split rating?)
AnonymousBlank said:
The Batman > Barry thing? It’s another 9-A Batman scan imo unless we are gonna downgrade every 9-A character Bats scales to 9-B.
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That's fair (It also could give us a Class 5 Rating which is fun)
Wait what other 9-A characters are there exactly?
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Parademons
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Are 9-B+ as we've discussed since the Batmobile is only 9-B+ and they were mostly ripping at the cockpit and cannon rather then piercing the thickest armour with their punches.
The closest to that is the ramming in the Snyder Cut but I kinda have to nuke those keys

Unless we missed something I doubt they'd seriously be 9-A
 
It really wasn’t discussed at all. Peeps just dismissed the fact that the car destruction was 9-A even though a CGM said it was.

The Parademons don’t need to punch through the armor to scale above the Batmobile’s dura when smacking it a few times was causing critical damage warnings while the 9-A exploding car did not.

Edit: Also did we ever get the Batmobile missiles calced? They cause a pretty big explosion when Bats blasts through the building after the League save his ass.
 
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It really wasn’t discussed at all. Peeps just dismissed the fact that the car destruction was 9-A even though a CGM said it was.
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Wait wasn't the car already shredded by bullets when the Mobile rammed it?
AnonymousBlank said:
The Parademons don’t need to punch through the armor to scale above the Batmobile’s dura when smacking it a few times was causing critical damage warnings while the 9-A exploding car did not.
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But again the 9-A is questionable and the critical damage easily could refer to them ripping off the guns and later the cockpit
This also ignoring that Bruce is slightly weaker then Parademons as shown by the Knightmare and JL
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Edit: Also did we ever get the Batmobile missiles calced? They cause a pretty big explosion when Bats blasts through the building after the League save his ass.
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No but they'd be solidly strong
IMO it and the Knightcrawler (dope vehicle) need their own profiles

Also does anyone know if the guides for the JL movie have anything good in them about the Parademons?
 
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