DC Comics - The Legendary DC Heralds Upgrade

[Eden_Warlock99]

Are there any Tier 3/2 upgrades that actually have been agreed upon and accepted?

Nah

 

[Eficiente]

Were contained is practically the same as werr put. Let's take this sentence: "The books were out into the bag". The word "put" is in past tense because somebody put the books there in the past. Yet the books still remain in the bag unless somebody took them out. Raven never specified her powers being taken away

No, that's clearly a different context entirely, you can't use present on that as it's something you did in the past rather than the present, thus you need to say that you did it in the past and in this context it will be understood by others that the books are still on the bag. If a living bag were to randomly say "Within me were contained books with power great enough to destroy a universe." and we had no more context then what this tells us is that it had the books and now it doesn't have the books.

In this context the premise isn't already set so that it already makes sense that she still has that.

...why would Raven "kick Trigon's teeth in" Roth have lost those powers contained within her? She's pretty darned consistently portrayed as cosmic.

There is no scan here that has that. We would also need to see the scans of how she's consistently portrayed as cosmic/even to pre-crisis Trigon(?), all with sources.

Nah

"likely up to High Universe level (After having relativistic effects taking over his body as he approached litghtspeed & his body's mass increased towards infinity, he then described his speeds as appearing "as a continuous beam of light" to a slower Speedster, implying he reached lightspeed & had infinite mass rather than approaching both qualities)"

 

[Qawsedf234]

Are there any Tier 3/2 upgrades that actually have been agreed upon and accepted?

I'm pretty sure SBP scaling is accepted. The rest don't have at least 3 peop saying yes.

 

[Eficiente]

SBP?

 

[Firestorm808]

SBP?

Superboy Prime

 

[Firestorm808]

I'm pretty sure SBP scaling is accepted. The rest don't have at least 3 peop saying yes.

Which instance? Infinite Crisis or Final Crisis?

 

[Eseseso]

What is SBP's scaling going to look like, and who will scale to his tier?

 

[Eficiente]

Superboy-Prime's super inconsistent, the take on his powers his power being rage-based is fitting to how it goes up and down in a same comic for apparently no reason. He usually gets caught off-guard in a way that he seems to be helpless but then proceeds to easily deal with whoever attacked him. He has pierced Superman's shoulder and made a hole in his hand with heat vision, blitzed Bart, Wally West & Jay Garrick at once, and threatened to cause a Big Bang that he would survive from the center while it kills off everyone else. Heralds scaling to his peak is pretty nonsensical.

 

[Deagonx]

I remember this feat being rejected, hopefully somebody remembers the reasons.

Essentially it was because it seems as though the universes are passing through them. It just doesn't make much of any sense to interpret it as them tanking universal damage on a constant basis while playing cards, because there is no indication from the rest of the series that they are that strong. Moreover, since they tell Phantom Stranger to be careful, the implication seems to be that careful navigation of the room is what allows them to avoid the collision with these universes, so that's probably all it is.

I think it's important to note the immense amount of effort that Eficiente has had to put in to address all of these feats, many of which are definitely wrong. That's why I said early on, dumping a shit-load of scans is not ideal for a situation like this.

 

[Eseseso]

If none of the feats have enough approval and nothing is going to change, why continue the thread?

 

[LordTracer]

If none of the feats have enough approval and nothing is going to change, why continue the thread?

Emirp said that he was going to respond to Eficiente’s points once he was done, and there’s still discussion happening, so maybe don’t act like the thread needs to be concluded?

 

[Eseseso]

Emirp said that he was going to respond to Eficiente’s points once he was done, and there’s still discussion happening, so maybe don’t act like the thread needs to be concluded?

Dude, none of the characters have any feats that have been accepted, seems to me like this thread's going nowhere.

 

[LordTracer]

Dude, none of the characters have any feats that have been accepted, seems to me like this thread's going nowhere.

There is literally still discussion happening, stop trying to rush it to a conclusion.

 

[Firestorm808]

I'll be tagging the staff later today who gave blanket votes to please do case by case judgements while also taking into account the other's determinations.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Essentially it was because it seems as though the universes are passing through them. It just doesn't make much of any sense to interpret it as them tanking universal damage on a constant basis while playing cards, because there is no indication from the rest of the series that they are that strong. Moreover, since they tell Phantom Stranger to be careful, the implication seems to be that careful navigation of the room is what allows them to avoid the collision with these universes, so that's probably all it is.

I think it's important to note the immense amount of effort that Eficiente has had to put in to address all of these feats, many of which are definitely wrong. That's why I said early on, dumping a shit-load of scans is not ideal for a situation like this.

They said Phantom Stranger should be careful because he might get lost in the dimension, not because the universes might **** him up. And then saying that the universes crush into them strongly implies it's actual physical damage

 

[Eficiente]

Dude, none of the characters have any feats that have been accepted, seems to me like this thread's going nowhere.

Aside from the above, there is value in going back and forward in why a wrong feat is believed to be correct, this is being archived in a way that can come in handy later, be it if better evidence/reasons come up or if the feat is still wrong but is talked about again anyway.

 

[Eseseso]

Aside from the above, there is value in going back and forward in why a wrong feat is believed to be correct, this is being archived in a way that can come in handy later, be it if better evidence/reasons come up or if the feat is still wrong but is talked about again anyway.

That's assuming the argument actually ends in one side's favor and doesn't just go on and on or get rejected.

 

[Deagonx]

They said Phantom Stranger should be careful because he might get lost in the dimension, not because the universes might **** him up. And then saying that the universes crush into them strongly implies it's actual physical damage

It doesn't say it crushes into them, it says it collides around and through them. Strongly implying that it is not physical damage.

 

[Eficiente]

That's assuming the argument actually ends in one side's favor and doesn't just go on and on or get rejected.

Well, that's pessimistic. It's not assuming that and it still has value for the same reasons I said if anything gets cut off & rejected because that will not necessarily be the immediate reaction to anything anyone replies, unless someone says something that needs 0 elaboration. Edit; You are basically saying "It's bad because it could go on forever or end instantly with nothing to it"

 

[Antvasima]

Essentially it was because it seems as though the universes are passing through them. It just doesn't make much of any sense to interpret it as them tanking universal damage on a constant basis while playing cards, because there is no indication from the rest of the series that they are that strong. Moreover, since they tell Phantom Stranger to be careful, the implication seems to be that careful navigation of the room is what allows them to avoid the collision with these universes, so that's probably all it is.

I think it's important to note the immense amount of effort that Eficiente has had to put in to address all of these feats, many of which are definitely wrong. That's why I said early on, dumping a shit-load of scans is not ideal for a situation like this.

Agreed. Eficiente has really made a great effort here, but I do not know if he has evaluated all of the presented feats yet.

I'll be tagging the staff later today who gave blanket votes to please do case by case judgements while also taking into account the other's determinations.

That would be very appreciated, thank you. Blanket agrees or rejections are not at all appropriate for this type of complicated revision with many feats to evaluate indepth.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, for the record, I still do not at all mind an upgrade, but it needs to be from properly analyzed and accepted specific feats, not just offhandedly accepting several dozens of them at once.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, big thanks to Eficiente, Firestorm808, Qawsedf234, Deagonx, and everybody else that I have overlooked who have made a genuine effort here.

 

[Eficiente]

Eficiente has really made a great effort here, but I do not know if he has evaluated all of the presented feats yet.

I did, minus one/some I left to others.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is a great job on your part then.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, big thanks to Eficiente, Firestorm808, Qawsedf234, Deagonx, and everybody else that I have overlooked who have made a genuine effort here.

Ahem...
(Nah I'm messing with you, Ant. I did absolutely nothing)

 

[Antvasima]

So what, if anything do all of the members who have evaluated feat by feat here think that we can use?

 

[Firestorm808]

The following Staff have either given blanket agrees or limited verifications: @LordTracer @KLOL506 @Planck69 @Maverick_Zero_X, @Matthew_Schroeder

If you have time, please make case-by-case judgments while also considering the other's determinations and reasonings.

Current case-by-case judgments are on this post and will be updated accordingly.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-comics-the-legendary-dc-heralds-upgrade.147343/post-5379794

Please notify us if you wish to revise or add any feat verifications below.

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with using the following feats:

Spoiler: 2-C, possibly 2-A

• Hal Jordan knocks off Spectre (Crispus Allen)'s jaw, staggering him and freeing the Guardians, and stabs him with help from the Guardians (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #50, March 2010)
• Hal Jordan defeats Krona (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011), who had the power of the Emotional Entities (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #64, May 2011)
• Captain Atom is sent flying by someone he compares to an out of control Superman, and believes he'd need all his power to defeat her (Captain Atom: Armageddon Vol. 1 #7, June 2006)
• Wally West fights Pre Crisis Reverse Flash(The Flash Vol.2 #224, September 2005)
  • Note: This is a hesitant agree because Pre-Crisis Barry’s page doesn’t actually explain how he’s comparable to Superman.
• Superman tanks a blast from Mordru and harms him. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
• Superman briefly fights Time Trapper Superman-Prime. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
• Superman trades blows with Time Trapper Superman-Prime, but is overpowered. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5, September 2009)
• Superman punches out Barbatos (Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis, November 2020)
• Superman one shot Auteur.io(Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #21, October 2021)
  • Auteur.io created the Archive of Worlds, an archive of realities(Batman/Superman Vol. #19, August 2021), and could destroy them if he didn't like them (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #17, June 2021)

Spoiler: Low 2-C

• Orion's Astro-Force is considered capable of stopping what can annihilate the cosmos(Jack Kirby's Fourth World Vol. 1 #4, June 1997)
• Ion could remake the Universe (Green Lantern Vol. 3 #145, February 2002)
• Guardians and Controllers have Big Bang level power (Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare Vol. 1 #3, November 1996)
• Superman's clash with his Golden Age counterpart shattered the boundaries of Space-Time and changed timelines(Superman Vol. 2 #226, April 2006, Action Comics Vol. 1 #836, April 2006, Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #649, April 2006)
• Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and the Ray contribute to the energy of a Big Bang. (Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
• Infinite-Man's power can sculpt space-time, could destroy the Universe, including the timestream (Legionnaires Vol. 1 #18, September 1994), and has the energies of space and time (Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 1 #233, November 1977)

Spoiler: High 3-A

• Wonder Woman withstands and deflects a fireball with infinite power. (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #21, October 1988)
  • Note: Only as supporting evidence.
• Wonder Woman has survived lightspeed attacks from Zoom (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #214, May 2005), with lightspeed in DC being Infinite Mass (JLA Vol. 1. #3, March 1997)
• Mr Terrific, who was certain Wally had Infinite and Incalculable power, isn't certain he's more powerful than Superman, implying he considers Superman to also have Infinite Power (The Flash (Rebirth) #775, October 2021)
  • Note: As support.
• The Human Lanterns were able to fight Guardians with the powers of the Emotional Entities(Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011)
  • Note: This is 2-C, possibly 2-A, not High 3-A.
• Child Brainiac gained the power of an infinite space Tesseract and Superman and Ultraman are capable of taking attacks from him. (Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #605, August 2002)
• Superman shakes the Phantom Zone with one punch(Superman (2018) (Rebirth) #6, February 2019)

Spoiler: Supporting Feats

• Superboy is able to damage Superboy-Prime (Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol. 1 #4, June 2009)
• While fighting a serious Captain Atom, Hank Hall Monarch twisted space and time, destroying Universes within atoms(Armageddon 2001 Vol. 1 #2, October 1991)
  • Superman could have stopped Hank Hall Monarch. (Adventures of Superman Annual #3, October 1991)
  • Hank Hall Monarch is comparable to Despero and Dreamslayer (Justice League America Vol. 1 #87, April 1994), with the latter being a rival to Darkseid (Justice League America Vol. 1 #88, May 1994)
• Black Adam tanks lightning from and staggers Hector Hall Doctor Fate (JSA Vol. 1 #6, January 2000)

 

[Eseseso]

Just to be clear, none of this affects characters who have separate post-flashpoint profiles, like Superman, WW, and Powergirl, right?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Just to be clear, none of this affects characters who have separate post-flashpoint profiles, like Superman, WW, and Powergirl, right?

Only New 52 characters aren't affected. But scaling comes later.

 

[Hellbeast]

Just to be clear, none of this affects characters who have separate post-flashpoint profiles, like Superman, WW, and Powergirl, right?

This affect Rebirth and post Death Metal

not New 52 though

 

[Firestorm808]

Once we have a enough staff giving case by case votes, we can go through the second round of discussions over the trimmed list to reach our final determinations.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, agreed.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I agree with using the following feats:

Spoiler: 2-C, possibly 2-A

• Hal Jordan knocks off Spectre (Crispus Allen)'s jaw, staggering him and freeing the Guardians, and stabs him with help from the Guardians (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #50, March 2010)
• Hal Jordan defeats Krona (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011), who had the power of the Emotional Entities (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #64, May 2011)
• Captain Atom is sent flying by someone he compares to an out of control Superman, and believes he'd need all his power to defeat her (Captain Atom: Armageddon Vol. 1 #7, June 2006)
• Wally West fights Pre Crisis Reverse Flash(The Flash Vol.2 #224, September 2005)
  • Note: This is a hesitant agree because Pre-Crisis Barry’s page doesn’t actually explain how he’s comparable to Superman.
• Superman tanks a blast from Mordru and harms him. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
• Superman briefly fights Time Trapper Superman-Prime. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
• Superman trades blows with Time Trapper Superman-Prime, but is overpowered. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5, September 2009)
• Superman punches out Barbatos (Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis, November 2020)
• Superman one shot Auteur.io(Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #21, October 2021)
  • Auteur.io created the Archive of Worlds, an archive of realities(Batman/Superman Vol. #19, August 2021), and could destroy them if he didn't like them (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #17, June 2021)

Spoiler: Low 2-C

• Orion's Astro-Force is considered capable of stopping what can annihilate the cosmos(Jack Kirby's Fourth World Vol. 1 #4, June 1997)
• Ion could remake the Universe (Green Lantern Vol. 3 #145, February 2002)
• Guardians and Controllers have Big Bang level power (Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare Vol. 1 #3, November 1996)
• Superman's clash with his Golden Age counterpart shattered the boundaries of Space-Time and changed timelines(Superman Vol. 2 #226, April 2006, Action Comics Vol. 1 #836, April 2006, Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #649, April 2006)
• Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and the Ray contribute to the energy of a Big Bang. (Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
• Infinite-Man's power can sculpt space-time, could destroy the Universe, including the timestream (Legionnaires Vol. 1 #18, September 1994), and has the energies of space and time (Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 1 #233, November 1977)

Spoiler: High 3-A

• Wonder Woman withstands and deflects a fireball with infinite power. (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #21, October 1988)
  • Note: Only as supporting evidence.
• Wonder Woman has survived lightspeed attacks from Zoom (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #214, May 2005), with lightspeed in DC being Infinite Mass (JLA Vol. 1. #3, March 1997)
• Mr Terrific, who was certain Wally had Infinite and Incalculable power, isn't certain he's more powerful than Superman, implying he considers Superman to also have Infinite Power (The Flash (Rebirth) #775, October 2021)
  • Note: As support.
• The Human Lanterns were able to fight Guardians with the powers of the Emotional Entities(Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011)
  • Note: This is 2-C, possibly 2-A, not High 3-A.
• Child Brainiac gained the power of an infinite space Tesseract and Superman and Ultraman are capable of taking attacks from him. (Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #605, August 2002)
• Superman shakes the Phantom Zone with one punch(Superman (2018) (Rebirth) #6, February 2019)

Spoiler: Supporting Feats

• Superboy is able to damage Superboy-Prime (Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol. 1 #4, June 2009)
• While fighting a serious Captain Atom, Hank Hall Monarch twisted space and time, destroying Universes within atoms(Armageddon 2001 Vol. 1 #2, October 1991)
  • Superman could have stopped Hank Hall Monarch. (Adventures of Superman Annual #3, October 1991)
  • Hank Hall Monarch is comparable to Despero and Dreamslayer (Justice League America Vol. 1 #87, April 1994), with the latter being a rival to Darkseid (Justice League America Vol. 1 #88, May 1994)
• Black Adam tanks lightning from and staggers Hector Hall Doctor Fate (JSA Vol. 1 #6, January 2000)

Do you agree with the Firestorm feat?

 

[Eficiente]

So, to clarify this:

"likely up to High Universe level at lightspeed (After having relativistic effects taking over his body as he approached litghtspeed & his body's mass increased towards infinity, he then described his speeds as appearing "as a continuous beam of light" to a slower Speedster, implying he reached lightspeed & had infinite mass rather than approaching both qualities)"

The "likely" obviously means that I take the feat as likely to be the case but not objectively. The "up to" means that this is something that can happen at lightspeed, not that it will be the case at lightspeed. Speedsters manipulate the laws of physics on how they apply to do things like this. "Wonder Woman has survived lightspeed attacks from Zoom (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #214, May 2005), with lightspeed in DC being Infinite Mass" is still wrong as a feat as it assumes Zoom is using the same mechanic to have infinite mass whereas another Speedster moving at lightspeed could uncontrollably destroy herself by turning into a singularity due to being too heavy, and Barry at lightspeed just has his fist hit like a white dwarf star. This doesn't mean that the rules are inconsistent, but that what's happening is not the same, because Wally's feat was his own usage of his powers that doesn't apply universally.

I agree with using the following feats:

I would like an explanation to reply to the reasons I used to disgree with the following feats:

Spoiler: 2-C, possibly 2-A

• Hal Jordan defeats Krona (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011), who had the power of the Emotional Entities (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #64, May 2011)
• Superman one shot Auteur.io(Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #21, October 2021)
  • Auteur.io created the Archive of Worlds, an archive of realities(Batman/Superman Vol. #19, August 2021), and could destroy them if he didn't like them (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #17, June 2021)

Spoiler: Low 2-C

• Orion's Astro-Force is considered capable of stopping what can annihilate the cosmos(Jack Kirby's Fourth World Vol. 1 #4, June 1997)
• Ion could remake the Universe (Green Lantern Vol. 3 #145, February 2002)
• Guardians and Controllers have Big Bang level power (Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare Vol. 1 #3, November 1996)
• Superman's clash with his Golden Age counterpart shattered the boundaries of Space-Time and changed timelines(Superman Vol. 2 #226, April 2006, Action Comics Vol. 1 #836, April 2006, Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #649, April 2006)
• Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and the Ray contribute to the energy of a Big Bang. (Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
• Infinite-Man's power can sculpt space-time, could destroy the Universe, including the timestream (Legionnaires Vol. 1 #18, September 1994), and has the energies of space and time (Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 1 #233, November 1977)

Spoiler: High 3-A

• Wonder Woman withstands and deflects a fireball with infinite power. (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #21, October 1988)
  • Note: Only as supporting evidence.
• Wonder Woman has survived lightspeed attacks from Zoom (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #214, May 2005), with lightspeed in DC being Infinite Mass (JLA Vol. 1. #3, March 1997)
• Mr Terrific, who was certain Wally had Infinite and Incalculable power, isn't certain he's more powerful than Superman, implying he considers Superman to also have Infinite Power (The Flash (Rebirth) #775, October 2021)
  • Note: As support.
• Child Brainiac gained the power of an infinite space Tesseract and Superman and Ultraman are capable of taking attacks from him. (Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #605, August 2002)

Spoiler: Supporting Feats

• Superboy is able to damage Superboy-Prime (Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol. 1 #4, June 2009)
• While fighting a serious Captain Atom, Hank Hall Monarch twisted space and time, destroying Universes within atoms(Armageddon 2001 Vol. 1 #2, October 1991)
  • Superman could have stopped Hank Hall Monarch. (Adventures of Superman Annual #3, October 1991)
  • Hank Hall Monarch is comparable to Despero and Dreamslayer (Justice League America Vol. 1 #87, April 1994), with the latter being a rival to Darkseid (Justice League America Vol. 1 #88, May 1994)

I removed the ones where the reply would have been too fundamental and not worth debating.

 

[LordTracer]

Do you agree with the Firestorm feat?

What Firestorm feat?

 

[Hellbeast]

What Firestorm feat?

The one where he creates a universe, it’s on the profile

 

[Vasco]

I'm aware this realistically makes him scale, with "standard comic outlier" I meant this was the type of set up used when outliers happen in DC comics, giving some value to it.

I don't still agree with mentioning outlier when other feats are there to make it reasonable.

It's not a "possible future", Fate said that will happen, and Mordru from Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4 from the 31st century.

You all are people should know all futures shown to be future in DC are all just possible futures, we've seen different kinds of futures we know about all are just possible future realities and not certain.

Please elaborate.

I meant SBP was probably scaled to TT probably due to TT is a possible future of SBP and SBP also destroyed him in Legion of 3 worlds which also affected him in a time paradox kinda bullshit way.

Yes, there are no statements that say so, it's just intuitive by the context he's in.

That's just your headcanon.

Ok. You can be as powerful as when alive when undead/zombie yet have a lower durability with a higher resistance to pain, it's fairly common.

Definitely true that's why I didn't completely disagree with you cause it's common in fiction.

Ok, we need better evidence on how he holds back. The way this usually goes is that we can pinpoint foes and timeframes where he's holding back, and when doing he ends up saying things like that anyway. Like Thor.

I leave that work to the rest of the staff. Otherwise my argument is super weak there.

He compared her with a Superman who's lost it, not s holding back superman.

Anyways no problem.

Doesn't sound meaningful. Ok if there isn't more to it

How dosen't it sound meaningful? Besides someone already dropped another scan of it not just being called infinite but Endless also.

Alt. versions of characters may vary in power, or the way he fights may make him easier to defeat. It's neat but it doesn't bring up anything that can be used.

It's what MT said what makes him talk about Wally's potential, not Wally's concussion at first. It would change nothing if he said "I agree" immediately, it would just mean that he knows of this potential, that he agrees later just means just that, that he came to agree to it later. The initial concussion still contributes though, it's new info to him.

Precisely they do but Wally said it himself, He made it blatantly clear it would be suicidal for him to take down Superman.

He said it based on potential and standard which Wally obviously can since post crisis, anyways check the good supporting evidence above also.

Going over this again, it's likely that he did reach lightspeed as he says that he would appear as a continuous beam of light, so I agree to this:

likely up to High Universe level (After having relativistic effects taking over his body as he approached litghtspeed & his body's mass increased towards infinity, he then described his speeds as appearing "as a continuous beam of light" to a slower Speedster, implying he reached lightspeed & had infinite mass rather than approaching both qualities)

Good.

Well, the boundaries of many things can be destroyed w/o affecting the things themselves that had those boundaries. A thing may also not have boundaries that cover them in all sides like aura, it can be of any size really as long as someone decides "Ok so this is the boundary of this thing".

I just thought it meant the very boundaries of the space-time,the very limit itself.

Affecting as in significantly affecting, the term we made up for practicality? And I assume it's not distortion and warping on its own, but distortion and warping proven to be on the level of significantly affecting, in which case yeah but it doesn't matter here.

Probably since we aren't certain.

 

[Vasco]

Superboy-Prime's super inconsistent, the take on his powers his power being rage-based is fitting to how it goes up and down in a same comic for apparently no reason.

To be fair against Superboy he was angry and afraid and against Superman, Superman was holding back against him, so they could others shouldn't.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

What Firestorm feat?

The Big Bang one. On his profile.