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Yeah, if it were just the shockwaves i would have said it could be hyperbolic but superman also claims to be able to destroy it
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Agreed he definitely claims to be able to destroy it, which is honestly better evidence than others that I have seen, so I think it's good supporting evidence, but I am cautious to assign too much value to a simple claim that wasn't proven.Yeah, if it were just the shockwaves i would have said it could be hyperbolic but superman also claims to be able to destroy it
I would agree but the fact both are in the same arc/issue is pretty telling for meAgreed he definitely claims to be able to destroy it, which is honestly better evidence than others that I have seen, so I think it's good supporting evidence, but I am cautious to assign too much value to a simple claim that wasn't proven.
- Superman shakes the Phantom Zone with one punch(Superman (2018) (Rebirth) #6, February 2019)
- The Phantom Zone is an anti-Universe (Action Comics Vol. 2 #11, September 2012)
- The Phantom Zone has been called Infinite (JLA Vol. 1 #36 December, 1999)
- Unsure - We have no confirmation of how much area is shaken. How would Superman know that the ENTIRE Phantom Zone is trembling?
- "Earthquakes in the distance. The Phantom Zone trembles under the weight of this fight. Every creature and prisoner must have been alerted to this." - Superman's narration.
- Superman's senses have been shown to extend to at least 25 Light Years in Countdown Vol 1 #48 May 2007
- In this range, the feat is at least High 4-C, likely 4-B
- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firestorm808/DC_Comics_-_Superman_Shakes_Phantom_Zone
- Do we have more to go on?
As the others above have had said, there's no reason not to believe this. As the OP explains, there's no reason for Clark to lie, his senses have been shown to have Universal ranges in WiTS, the statement he can destroy it supports it, intent, etcI'm also iffy on this. Point blank the description is inaccurate, it doesn't say anything about "one punch" and I think it's really important to describe a scan accurately because most people will just glance at the description and not read the actual scan. What it says is:
"The phantom zone trembles under the weight of this fight."
To me, this is too vague to assign "significantly affects" to Superman, and at best the responsibility is spread out over all participants in the fight. I don't think this is usable in my opinion.
- Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and the Ray contribute to the energy of a Big Bang. (Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
- Disagree - Superman's contributions wouldn't have meant anything if not for Spectre, Waverider, and Damage.
As brought up numerous times, including the opening, it's mainly attributed to the heroes when brought back up in Doomsday Wars. Spectre came in at the end after Waverider had been stopped by Parallax's distraction. Waverider and Damage had nothing to do with the power, just turning it into chronal energy and it exploding through Damage. Waverider was confident the heroes would have enough energy, and Parallax seemed to agree by saying they were creating their own Universe, so before Spectre intervened, there was clearly a lot of energy towards it.It appears as though Spectre is largely responsible for this, no? "Huh? The big guy is pumping more energy into me! Getting bigger! Cant hold it in!"
The others contributed, but I wouldn't use this as a feat for them, IMO.
- Superman survives Aztek's self destruction of 4th Dimensional energy(JLA Vol. 1 #41, May 2000)
- Aztek's energy had previously been described as Limitless 4th Dimensional energy (JLA Vol 1 #10 September, 1997)
- Unsure - Does Aztek have any feats or scaling to support this implied level of power?
It's mainly there for the 4D statement, not the limitless 4D energy, that's more-so supporting it. It hurting Mageddon, who was threatening the Universe.I don't think Martian Manhunter calling energy "limitless" should be used for a L2-C feat. Phrases like that are too subject to hyperbole for me, personally. The self-destruction clearly wasn't a L2-C feat as all it did was kill a few guys. The chains holding superman aren't damaged, the city he's in isn't completely obliterated. This just clearly isn't an L2-C feat.
- Superman and Steel move a tesseract(Superman: The Man of Steel Vol. 1 #100, May 2000)
- This tesseract was described as infinite space within finite space (Superman: The Man of Steel Vol. 1 #99, April 2000), and is said to have Infinite space within (Superman Secret Files Vol. 1 #1, June 2000)
- Disagree - I don't think there is justification for the object to have infinite mass.
It having infinite space compressed within should be enough justification for Infinite mass.I'm a little iffy on this but I am willing to give it a soft yes for now. My concern is that the iteration of this infinite space -- being inside a finite device -- subjects it to a lot of wonkiness that I don't think should necessarily scale to 3-A. I would be willing to see it as supporting evidence, but in a vacuum I would feel comfortable using this as a 3-A upgrade unto itself.
- Superman survives the collapse of the universe. (Superman: Where Is Thy Sting, 2001)
- Death implies that WITS really happened. (Superman: Where Is Thy Sting, 2001)
- Lois references WITS in Rebirth. (Action Comics Vol. 1 #1030, June 2021)
- Context:
- Superman starts to fear him or those around him dying and being alone.
- An Avatar of Death has come for Superman, bringing him into a meta-physical realm, a place where mind and matter intersect, where dreams take form. The real work is in a stasis as Death and Superman interact.
- The cosmos is going through entropy. Dead stars collapsing inward. Energy sputtering and fading. All things, all matter in creation, dissolving, disintegrating. Stars wink out one by one. In the end, only one black hole is left with Superman, each nuclear flash weaker than the one before.
- Disagree - The description of the universe’s death was nothing like the big crunch, but more similar to a Heat Death, which would merely give Superman resistance to standard black holes and entropy, which is consistent.
Wanna show me where I said it was like the Big Crunch? The heat death thing was addressed here:This seems less like a durability feat and more like cosmic wonkiness involving Superman. Do we really feel like the best way to assess this situation is that it happened because of Superman's durability? I don't think this is "Superman surviving the collapse of the universe" in a way that involves him being L2-C.
Yeah. To be honest, independent of what the nature of the universe ending thing is, I just don't see it as being a durability feat in the first place. The fact that Death itself is involved and that this is seen as some kind of triumph over Death, and that Wonder Woman refers to Superman as a "universal constant" suggest that this is more like some kind of cosmic hax rather than a raw durability feat or something like that
- Superman fights and takes hits from the Entropy Aegis while explicitly stated to be holding back. (Superman: The Man of Steel #134, March 2003). The Entropy Aegis is stated to be the power to remake and destroy the universe. (Superman Versus Darkseid: Apokolips Now, March 2003)
- Disagree - The way the Aegis and Imperiex work doesn't allow it to scale to people normally.
He’s using the phrases collectively. Irons is the Aegis and the Aegis has that power. He’s explaining to Superman what all entails from a swap deal for Irons. There’s other statements in the arc, like the claim he is wielding the power of Entropy, so nothing in the arc moderately goes against this. I don't see any reason why a reprogrammed Imperiex Probe, something that basically just shoots energy and explodes, is doing something not attributable to AP here.He says "You get to keep John Henry Irons and the Entropy Aegis and the power to remake and destroy the universe." I don't think this scan justifies scaling the armor to L2-C. If you read the whole Entropy Aegis run, you really don't get the impression that it's anything like that.
- Superman overpowers Nebula Man, who is stated to be a universe. (JLA Classified #2, March 2005)
- Nebula Man is confirmed to be a universe. (Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein #4, May 2006)
- Disagree - Because you have to shrink to get into an infinitesimally small universe, I wouldn't count it as Tier 3 in comparison to the standard universe.
This is addressed as more so being compressed.I think this could be 3-A, but frankly, I really don't think Nebula Man and all of his opponents should scale to Tier 2 or 3 just because he's called a living universe.
Particularly for the Nebula Man thing, he cites a scan in which Nebula Man says he "could have" grown large enough to replace the universe but has a flaw that keeps him small. This is presented as a reason why Nebula Man should be scaled to a full universe, but to me that directly states the opposite, due to the flaw Nebula Man doesn't and shouldn't be scaled to a full universe, because the flaw keeps him small.
They wield his power. I feel like this was explained in either scan, and would be explained if you checked the cited comicThe only part of this that I would see as being L2-C is "destroy the universe, including the timestream" but the scan doesn't appear to say that. It says that Mordru and Glorith will finally lay claim to the universe, but "lay claim" is not really "destroy" and I am not sure how this scales to Infinite Man?
Previously addressed, specifically in the OP.2-C:
Did some research on this. It seems like this ability was pretty much entirely based on the Materioptikon/Dreamstone. The Dreamstone has part of the power of Dream of the Endless, and can create realities, that much is legit. The question becomes: Is it best to interpret Red King's possession of the stone as translating into a comparable level of combat prowess? Can he channel the dreamstone -- the purpose of which is dreaming realities -- into a blast to hit a single person? I am not so sure, but I'm open to discussion.
- Superman separates two worlds(Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #21, October 2021)
- These worlds are represented as tapes, the literal fabric of reality (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #17, June 2021),
- and each strip is a different reality (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #20, September 2021)
- Unsure - How does the whole bigger self and the film reels work? Can anyone separate the film or do you need the giant self thing?
There is no bigger Superman, that's just normal Superman. The small one is the alternate Universe one. You can tell from his different Symbol.I think the question should be asked: Is Superman able to do this because of 2-C power, or is it a function of being in the Archive of Worlds which has realities in the form of tapes?
None of this downscales Auterio.io, Lex Luthor is one of the smartest characters with tons of powerful weapons. This was also when he was swindled down to one of his worlds, whereas Superman beat him in the Archive of Worlds. The same arc implies Auterio.io has no way to beat Superman and relies on Kryptonite, so no sort of ability Auterio has can defeat Supes, and it's also brought up how he can burn them if he has issues with them. Regardless, this is still a lot of headcanon.Dr. Atom/Alexander Luthor also injured Auteur.io with a bomb. They also injured him with a tornado cannon. He wore armor and had robots that fought on his behalf. Auteur.io definitely has powerful reality-warping capabilities, but IMO it's clear that this does not translate to his head-to-head combat abilities. I don't think this should be interpreted as 2-C.
For one, this was a pretty long project, so it’s kinda insulting to suggest this was a random haul with minimal research, since all feats were analyzed. Two, the Aztek feat has no reason to be invalid other than asserting hyperbole with no basis and not even quoting the exact area where they are. Third, many, many feats were cut out while looking through what was useable.Overall, unfortunately I have to say I do not find the totality of evidence particularly compelling. It seems a bit like a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach which is not ideal. The Aztek feat, for example, is so very clearly not L2-C, and feats like that really should've been pruned before making it to the final post.
Superman has always absorbed energy, while the examples are from later on, they're not retcons that change anything about the character. Rebirth Superman is literally just Post Crisis, and New 52 is pointed out to absorb radiation slower than Rebirth. And either way, this doesn't address how things would fit into the varies tier.
- Another belief is that the 80s cast scaled even lower, citing many feats seemingly limiting the Pre-Death Superman to City level to Island level. While higher statistics could already fit in considering the varies tiering he has, there's little reason to limit him in the first place.
- Many of the seemingly City level anti-feats include nuclear blasts, which release harmful radiation, which we've seen can nerf Superman due to his solar energy absorption, as seen in Superman Vol 5 #29, May 2021
- We also saw in Superman/Wonder Woman #6-#7 that a nuclear blasts radiation is harmful enough to completely change Superman's appearance, and weakened him to the point where sunlight burned him.
- Superman/Wonder Woman Vol 1 #6, May 2014
- While this is New 52 Superman, Post Crisis Superman has a very similar physiology, and actually absorbs more radiation, as is stated in Superman Annual #1, so if anything, the effects of nuclear radiation would be even more harmful to him.
- Disagree - I don't think it's reliable to use scans from 15+ years later in different continuities to argue a weakness to radiation.
Is there a scan we can reference for this?his senses have been shown to have Universal ranges in WiTS
I don't think it has infinite mass because the Tesseract was on the ground without damaging it.It having infinite space compressed within should be enough justification for Infinite mass.
Kryptonian tech can fashion all sorts of things, Sunstone crystals can control celestial bodies and rewrite memories and gift powers. Weirdness in a Superman context isn’t much of a refutation, but if he agrees if can be dropped.
It's stated word for word in the comic entropy is happening.Wanna show me where I said it was like the Big Crunch? The heat death thing was addressed here:
"As for the destruction of the Universe being heat death, this is never implied at all. All we know is it's a black hole that collapsed the Universe, so this comes from nowhere. Also, even if it was a Universal amount of entropy, that's still a Universal durability feat, the same way surviving a fire that can burn down Universes would be Universal and not just heat resistance.
From Death's description, it's very likely a physical feat, though I can see reason to doubt this, so at the very least this should be a strong supporting feat for Low 2-C. As for the Heat Death argument, it's really baseless and mostly irrelevant."
There's really no reason to say it's Heat Death, but even if it was Universal entropy, that'd be a Universal durability feat still.
The "cosmic wonkiness involving Superman" point doesn't seem to have any basis. All we see is him surviving the attack, and it's not like Superman resisted Death due to his place in the DC Universe, he was harmed many times throughout the issue and had to overpower him to win. Superman has also died before, with New 52 Supes being an example, the Crisis reboot, etc. While the concept of Superman can die, variants of him in the Multiverse can.
What kind of point is this?I don't think it has infinite mass because the Tesseract was on the ground without damaging it.
Should it have a finite mass?Do we consider, by default, an object with an infinite space inside of it to have infinite mass?
Dosen't even look like it got concluded but ask let's as @Qawsedf234 and @Planck69 since they are staff that are knowledgeable and commented in the thread.According to other Staff, surviving the heat death of the universe is a hax feat rather than durability.
Take for example a bag of holding. The bag has an infinite space inside of it. Does the bag have infinite mass in this context?What kind of point is this?
Should it have a finite mass?
i think it depends if the space inside is made of atoms if that makes any sense, as infinite atoms/matter should be infinite massTake for example a bag of holding. The bag has an infinite space inside of it. Does the bag have infinite mass in this context?
Do we consider an object with an infinite pocket dimension inside to have infinite mass by default?
Let me ask you a question of my own, If it has infinite space/contains infinite space why should it have a finite mass?Take for example a bag of holding. The bag has an infinite space inside of it. Does the bag have infinite mass in this context?
If it's stated it should and i'm also inclined to be skeptical on it since Lantern rings contain an infinite universe/space inside them that's like saying all lanterns have Immeasurable lifting strength or that bullshit so I can agree with you.Do we consider an object with an infinite pocket dimension inside to have infinite mass by default?
Their is also the fact that a/p isn't equal to dc and aztecs energy being called 4D is too specific, if it was just limitless i would understand it being hyperbole but it also being called 4D is strangeIt's mainly there for the 4D statement, not the limitless 4D energy, that's more-so supporting it. It hurting Mageddon, who was threatening the Universe.
In the context of it, hyperbole makes no narrative sense and they aren’t in a city, they’re in the heart of Mageddon. The AOE has no relevance to the point, and chains made from the Old God Mageddon being beyond 4D is quite possible, especially considering they're restraining Superman, who we're arguing is tier 2.
Woah woah, let's be clear here, I am in no way suggesting that Clark was deceiving anybody. I am saying that "trembles under the weight of this fight" is vague and even character statements about one's ability to destroy something are iffy, as there are numerous instances where someone has made claims of their own strength that weren't accurate. This isn't about lying.As the OP explains, there's no reason for Clark to lie
They also got a significant portion of that energy from the plasma universe that Parallax created, so again I feel that this is iffy.Waverider was confident the heroes would have enough energy, and Parallax seemed to agree by saying they were creating their own Universe, so before Spectre intervened, there was clearly a lot of energy towards it.
I'm not arguing that the details make it impossible to be such a feat, I am saying that it makes it far less likely. I don't think a single statement calling the energy "limitless" scales it to tier 2, and saying "hyperbole makes no narrative sense" doesn't really address what I'm saying. I'm not going to continue responding if you say things like "AOE has no relevance" without supporting it with reasoning.It's mainly there for the 4D statement, not the limitless 4D energy, that's more-so supporting it. It hurting Mageddon, who was threatening the Universe.
In the context of it, hyperbole makes no narrative sense and they aren’t in a city, they’re in the heart of Mageddon. The AOE has no relevance to the point, and chains made from the Old God Mageddon being beyond 4D is quite possible, especially considering they're restraining Superman, who we're arguing is tier 2.
That's a non-sequitur. Space does not have mass.It having infinite space compressed within should be enough justification for Infinite mass.
In the scan that is being used as supporting evidence for the WITS feat, Diana calls Clark a "universal constant."The "cosmic wonkiness involving Superman" point doesn't seem to have any basis. All we see is him surviving the attack, and it's not like Superman resisted Death due to his place in the DC Universe,
I understand the claim being made, but the text doesn't enforce that interpretation and I'd need to see supporting evidence for it.He’s using the phrases collectively. Irons is the Aegis and the Aegis has that power
Is there any evidence to suggest he is compressed, rather than simply small?This is addressed as more so being compressed.
"As far as him being a mini-Universe goes, well obviously yeah. No one argues he's literally Universal in size. The point is he's a compressed Universe, we know this since it's said he's a supermatter (Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein #4), something like a Supersolid, which relates to condensed matter physics. This makes sense since he's no longer a baby Universe like as Qwewq, but now is an adult."
The "could have grown large enough" thing wasn't the main evidence, rather a refutation/alternate interpretation to an argument that he can't be Universal.
I think saying this feat involves a 2-C level of strength is also headcanon, with zero sourcing from the comic. He pulled apart some film reel.Saying it's a function of being in the Archive feels like headcanon, and an interpretation made with zero sourcing from the comic.
Addressed, sure, but that does not mean that I have to agree. I do not think the evidence supports such an interpretation.Previously addressed, specifically in the OP.
Okay, I am just pointing out that this theory implies that the Tornado Cannon was also 2-C which warrants consideration, in my opinion. I do not think such an interpretation is likely.None of this downscales Auterio.io, Lex Luthor is one of the smartest characters with tons of powerful weapons.
Good thing I never suggested that whatsoever.so it’s kinda insulting to suggest this was a random haul with minimal research
Because space isn't mass, and does not have mass. Matter has mass. So the question is "why would we assume that an infinite space has infinite matter within it?"Let me ask you a question of my own, If it has infinite space/contains infinite space why should it have a finite mass?
Okay will return to this.There's no reason to make such an assumption. Is it possible? Sure, but there needs to be evidence, we can't just assume.
Yeah, it's in the OP, but I'll repost it:Is there a scan we can reference for this?
Being wrong doesn't mean you're not credible. While Clark has been wrong, there's many more times where he's right. While it's possible for him to be incorrect on occasion, generally characters being wrong is for the reason of the plot, as to show character flaws, show how surprising a twist was, etc, while in this case there's no reason to assume he's incorrect.Woah woah, let's be clear here, I am in no way suggesting that Clark was deceiving anybody. I am saying that "trembles under the weight of this fight" is vague and even character statements about one's ability to destroy something are iffy, as there are numerous instances where someone has made claims of their own strength that weren't accurate. This isn't about lying.
I don't see this discussion come to a conclusion, and the argument made seems to be that characters would just outlive the loss of energy. At no point on the thread do any of them mention black holes, with Clark's feat being that he survived the Black Hole, no one was bringing up him surviving the entropy that destroyed stars and such.It's stated word for word in the comic entropy is happening.
Per the comic panels, the cosmos is going through entropy. Dead stars collapsing inward, their energy sputtering and fading. All things, all matter in creation, dissolving, disintegrating. Stars wink out one by one. In the end, only the black hole from the last star is left with Superman, each nuclear flash weaker than the one before.
According to other Staff, surviving the heat death of the universe is a hax feat rather than durability.
I was confused here for a second, but I realize you meant Lois. I don't think her saying "you're the only constant in any Universe" is referring to him being literally incapable of dying, just a sweet way of saying she believes that he'll overcome these obstacles. Especially considering A: Clark is not the only constant in any Universe, that's simply not true, and B: as mentioned, version of him like Golden Age and N52 have died.In the scan that is being used as supporting evidence for the WITS feat, Diana calls Clark a "universal constant"
If you want to use this as it not being a viable scale for characters with that extra energy, maybe, though DDW notes they used their particular energies, which would imply their using their own unique energies rather than something they shared (that in this case being the plasma stuff). Either way Clark didn't absorb any of that energy, so his contribution is 100% his own power.They also got a significant portion of that energy from the plasma universe that Parallax created, so again I feel that this is iffy.
I thought I made this clear before, but the "limitless energy" statement is not the main evidence for it being tier 2. The main thing is that it's 4th dimensional, and I explained why AoE/the chains had no relevance by pointing out them being inside Mageddon and the chains being capable of holding Superman.I'm not arguing that the details make it impossible to be such a feat, I am saying that it makes it far less likely. I don't think a single statement calling the energy "limitless" scales it to tier 2, and saying "hyperbole makes no narrative sense" doesn't really address what I'm saying. I'm not going to continue responding if you say things like "AOE has no relevance" without supporting it with reasoning.
Supporting evidence for what? Steel being the Aegis? If so, this'd be pretty clear if you read the arc, but here's scans ig.I understand the claim being made, but the text doesn't enforce that interpretation and I'd need to see supporting evidence for it.
That the term he's described with is correlated with condensed matter physics, compressed of course being synonymous with condensed.Is there any evidence to suggest he is compressed, rather than simply small?
It's not just some film reel though. They're called worlds and realities, and separating two realities/Universes is textbook 2-C.I think saying this feat involves a 2-C level of strength is also headcanon, with zero sourcing from the comic. He pulled apart some film reel.
You don't have to agree, but if you disagree, you should explain why rather than repeating the basis that's being contested without anything new.Addressed, sure, but that does not mean that I have to agree. I do not think the evidence supports such an interpretation.
I mean if that's just how you feel, whatever, but Lex as he's scaled on the wiki right now is scaled off of Superman with his weapons, and again, I think Superman is tier 2, so I don't see the issue honestly.Okay, I am just pointing out that this theory implies that the Tornado Cannon was also 2-C which warrants consideration, in my opinion. I do not think such an interpretation is likely.
The point is that Heat Death in general isn't treated as a Tier 3 feat. In the case of Superman, he was with the last black hole from the last star. It's not infinite mass. All other stars have already gone through their black hole phase and faded away to nothingness. Being in the black hole would just be rated Tier 4 AFAIK.I don't see this discussion come to a conclusion, and the argument made seems to be that characters would just outlive the loss of energy. At no point on the thread do any of them mention black holes, with Clark's feat being that he survived the Black Hole, no one was bringing up him surviving the entropy that destroyed stars and such.
At least with the scan you just showed, I don’t really see any reason to go with this interpretation.It feels like he's just staring off into space and seeing stars disappear, leading to the conclusion that all matter is going away
I mean, it can. But considering the context of the story I don't really see it. Superman also isn't usually shown to have that level of sense range. His best showings are all generally interplanetary or sub-galatic.Does the scan below support universal range senses?
Firestorm is saying the OP is using a Big Crunch Black Hole, which is Tier 3. An entropic Black Hole wouldn't be that high.
A Big Crunch is that the universe shrinks itself back into a microscopic point and then implodes into a white hole, presumably restarting the universe.so I guess my interpretation might be similar to the Big Crunch Black Hole, though not exactly considering I think the Big Crunch is supposed to be the Universe's expansion being the cause
The point is that a characters statements about their own power have limited evidentiary value. I disagree about the trembles comment, I think it's a very vague statement because of the earthquake comment. It's entirely possible that the earthquakes are all he's referring to.Being wrong doesn't mean you're not credible. While Clark has been wrong, there's many more times where he's right. While it's possible for him to be incorrect on occasion, generally characters being wrong is for the reason of the plot, as to show character flaws, show how surprising a twist was, etc, while in this case there's no reason to assume he's incorrect.
I also don't think "trembles under the weight of the fight" is vague, especially when he clarifies the quakes in the distance.
It's hard to say either way. In some ways he is a universal constant and that's been reflected in other comics. The whole thing is super obscure. I wouldn't even have interpreted the original WITS scan as Supes "surviving the destruction of the universe"I don't think her saying "you're the only constant in any Universe" is referring to him being literally incapable of dying
Waverider said "take your accumulated energies" which refers to the plasma universe energy. Between that and Spectre, it's entirely unclear how much power Superman contributed. Again, too vague to be usable.If you want to use this as it not being a viable scale for characters with that extra energy, maybe, though DDW notes they used their particular energies, which would imply their using their own unique energies rather than something they shared (that in this case being the plasma stuff). Either way Clark didn't absorb any of that energy, so his contribution is 100% his own power.
Does he have any tier 2 feats? Or is that it? Cause time powers can vary wildly.The main thing is that it's 4th dimensional
No, for John Henry Irons, the Aegis, and the Power all referring to the same thing. Even those scans clearly delineate John and the Armor. "You're not in control of that thing."Supporting evidence for what? Steel being the Aegis? If so, this'd be pretty clear if you read the arc, but here's scans ig.
If you meant something else, my bad.
No, it isn't. Condensed in the context of condensed matter physics doesn't refer to physical compression. Moreover, they never used the phrase "supersolid" they said "supermatter" which isn't a scientific term and can't just be transposed into a different term.That the term he's described with is correlated with condensed matter physics, compressed of course being synonymous with condensed.
In that world, it literally is film reel. That's my entire point.It's not just some film reel though. They're called worlds and realities, and separating two realities/Universes is textbook 2-C.
I think it's pretty egregious wank to say that some random tornado cannon can destroy infinite multiverses.I mean if that's just how you feel, whatever, but Lex as he's scaled on the wiki right now is scaled off of Superman with his weapons, and again, I think Superman is tier 2, so I don't see the issue honestly.
You don't necessarily need feats to get tiers according to the statement page, statement can get you tiers but depends on the person saying it.Does he have any tier 2 feats? Or is that it? Cause time powers can vary wildly.
It's possible for a 2-C AP Tornado to exist in fiction.I think it's pretty egregious wank to say that some random tornado cannon can destroy infinite multiverses.
huh, i guess considering the universe is infinite@Qawsedf234 @Antvasima @DarkDragonMedeus @LordTracer @Crabwhale
Does the scan below support universal range senses?
It feels like he's just staring off into space and seeing stars disappear, leading to the conclusion that all matter is going away rather than Superman can see/sense all matter in the universe.
Superman is able to tell that the entire Universe and Creation is in its dying stages.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Tornado_(Post-Crisis) also we scale red tornado to amazo on the wikiYou don't necessarily need feats to get tiers according to the statement page, statement can gey you tiers but depends on the person saying it.
It's possible for a 2-C AP Tornado to exist in fiction.
I do not think so. It seems like a realisation rather than cosmic-level senses, but it might be used as supporting evidence.@Qawsedf234 @Antvasima @DarkDragonMedeus @LordTracer @Crabwhale
Does the scan below support universal range senses?
It feels like he's just staring off into space and seeing stars disappear, leading to the conclusion that all matter is going away rather than Superman can see/sense all matter in the universe.
Superman is able to tell that the entire Universe and Creation is in its dying stages.
An "archive of realities" created by a former wannabe author with a strong connection to the collective unconscious, and who is obsessed with accuracy and perfection, and has quite strong opinions regarding which stories that are constructive or destructive...? This character strongly sounds like a distorted parody of myself.Superman one shot Auteur.io(Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #21, October 2021)
- Auteur.io created the Archive of Worlds, an archive of realities (Batman/Superman Vol. #19, August 2021), and could destroy them if he didn't like them (Batman/Superman Vol. 2 #17, June 2021)
To be fair, if these upgrades go through, we'll have a depressed orphan in an animal suit able to rub two sticks together and make a robot that can destroy infinite multiverses.I think it's pretty egregious wank to say that some random tornado cannon can destroy infinite multiverses.
even then, we have red tornado at herald tier via scaling to amazoTo be fair, if these upgrades go through, we'll have a depressed orphan in an animal suit able to rub two sticks together and make a robot that can destroy infinite multiverses.