DC Comics - Remove "possibly" for the Darkest Knight

[Eseseso]

Btw, could someone please explain why the DC 1-A people are 1-A?

 

[Swerzye29038]

Btw, could someone please explain why the DC 1-A people are 1-A?

There's no actual accurate 1-A scaling, that's why it's gonna change once the cosmology split is finished

 

[Swerzye29038]

I agree with this

 

[Transcending]

I can apply this now right? If yes I will go ask a mod to open Perpetua's and UM's pages.

 

[Antvasima]

What Deagonx has accepted above can probably be applied at least, yes.

 

[Transcending]

What Deagonx has accepted above can probably be applied at least, yes.

Then we can remove Plot Manipulation and upgrade Perpetua and Ultra-Monitor. I will just need these pages to be unlocked:

The Ultra-Monitor

Perpetua

The Batman Who Laughs

The Hands (DC Comics)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.

Tell us here when you are done please.

 

[Transcending]

Okay. I will do so.

Tell us here when you are done please.

I think I am done though please double-check

 

[Transcending]

if it is him and that book presents the reality/universe and destroying it means destroying the universe, then it is indeed plot manipulation.

TDK did not write the book but he was destroying it and the Multiverse.

 

[Antvasima]

I think I am done though please double-check

It seems good to me at least.

Is there anything else left to do here currently?

 

[ImmortalDread]

TDK did not write the book but he was destroying it and the Multiverse.

Seems more like mini plot manipulation but meh. If book = multiverse and destroying it means destroying multiverse, then it's seems fine for me

 

[Transcending]

Should we re-add Plot Manip then?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Should we re-add Plot Manip then?

Who wrote the books if I may ask?

 

[Transcending]

Who wrote the books if I may ask?

No idea, though if I have to guess, I would say it's the Writer. He literally writes DC's stories after all.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No idea, though if I have to guess, I would say it's the Writer. He literally writes DC's stories after all.

Eh, you may ask others if destroying a book is plot manipulation, like a random character see a book which presents the reality of a house's existence, and he destroys the book by burning which results in destroying the house in reality. Look, if you ask me, that's not an extraordinary ability, to begin with

Others can give their opinion, but he is the one who wrote it; I would give him a solid plot manipulation.

 

[Transcending]

Eh, you may ask others if destroying a book is plot manipulation, like a random character see a book which presents the reality of a house's existence, and he destroys the book by burning which results in destroying the house in reality. Look, if you ask me, that's not an extraordinary ability, to begin with

I think it is because that's basically the same reasoning used for Mandrakk's Plot Manip.

Others can give their opinion, but he is the one who wrote it; I would give him a solid plot manipulation.

He didn't write the main book but he was planning on remaking the Multiverse and even created his own Multiverse, so there's probably something out there that says he created some stories. I will go through the comics again.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I think it is because that's basically the same reasoning used for Mandrakk's Plot Manip.

Really? And it was approved by staff? If then, ya sure. But also can you tell his reasoning to confirm?

 

[Antvasima]

You cannot add anything that has not been approved by our staff.

 

[ImmortalDread]

You cannot add anything that has not been approved by our staff.

Ofc, I don't think I said that tho.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem. Wasn't plot manipulation rejected here previously though?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Okay. No problem. Wasn't plot manipulation rejected here previously though?

I am unsure. I only disagreed with it before because I did not get much info about it.
It was rejected because there is no metafiction played here.

But honestly, if the user had a book that presents the multiverse as reality, and the user destroyed it, which affects the reality, is that not plot manipulation, in your opinion?

But again, I think only the Writer qualifies for one since he actually wrote the book.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I think it is because that's basically the same reasoning used for Mandrakk's Plot Manip.


He didn't write the main book but he was planning on remaking the Multiverse and even created his own Multiverse, so there's probably something out there that says he created some stories. I will go through the comics again.

Those stories affect the reality?

 

[Transcending]

even created his own Multiverse

Would these count?

Really? And it was approved by staff? If then, ya sure. But also can you tell his reasoning to confirm?

Those stories affect the reality?

This is what is written in the page:

Plot Manipulation (Eats stories on a creation-wide scale)

Wasn't plot manipulation rejected here previously though?

Technically, the majority, including some staff and former staff members, agreed with it.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Would these count?


This is what is written in the page:



Technically, the majority, including some staff and former staff members, agreed with it.

I am honest with you but nowhere it says that the stories he created affects the reality.

 

[Transcending]

The only thing afaik that was stated in TDK's Multiverse's stories was that they would replace the ones in the main Multiverse. Other than that, we only have the ones I listed in the OP.

Going from Mandrakk's example though, it does seem like destroying stories count for Plot Manip.

 

[ImmortalDread]

The only thing afaik that was stated in TDK's Multiverse's stories was that they would replace the ones in the main Multiverse. Other than that, we only have the ones I listed in the OP.

Going from Mandrakk's example though, it does seem like destroying stories count for Plot Manip.

I am afraid of using "whataboutism"

 

[Transcending]

Going from what Firestorm said here, using previous examples are valid, especially if they are of the same verse

 

[ImmortalDread]

I was not accusing or attacking. I am neutral on this

 

[Transcending]

I am not saying you are accusing or attacking, you aren't. I am simply stating that using previous examples is valid, especially if they are of the same verse. If destroying stories doesn't count for Plot Manip however, we will need to also do something about Mandrakk.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I am not saying you are accusing or attacking, you aren't. I am simply stating that using previous examples is valid, especially if they are of the same verse. If destroying stories doesn't count for Plot Manip, we will need to also do something about Mandrakk.

And it affects reality? Also, you mentioned him creating stories, right? Those stories are reality based?

 

[Transcending]

And it affects reality?

Yeah

Also, you mentioned him creating stories, right? Those stories are reality based?

They were stories of his Multiverse that would replace the stories of the main Multiverse, so they should function the same as the main Multiverse.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Yeah


They were stories of his Multiverse that would replace the stories of the main Multiverse, so they should function the same as the main Multiverse.

Alright. I agree with plot manipulation then

 

[Eseseso]

Doctor Manhattan should also be a 1-A since Wonder Woman with his powers stalemated Perpetua in a clash which burned out the Sun with Lex Luthor saying she would have won if she hadn't hesitated.

 

[Antvasima]

Doctor Manhattan should also be a 1-A since Wonder Woman with his powers stalemated Perpetua in a clash which burned out the Sun with Lex Luthor saying she would have won if she hadn't hesitated.

Mainly Doctor Manhattan's powers empowered TBWL, so if the latter is 1-A so is Doctor Manhattan.

 

[Antvasima]

What is Mandrakk's reasoning for plot manipulation? And what is TBWL's and Perpetua's?

 

[Transcending]

Doctor Manhattan should also be a 1-A since Wonder Woman with his powers stalemated Perpetua in a clash which burned out the Sun with Lex Luthor saying she would have won if she hadn't hesitated.

Dr. Manhattan is explicitly relative to Perpetua so yeah.

Mainly Doctor Manhattan's powers empowered TBWL, so if the latter is 1-A so is Doctor Manhattan.

Not really, that was a Dark Multiverse version of Dr. Manhattan who wasn't stated to scale to normal Manhattan.

What is Mandrakk's reasoning for plot manipulation? And what is TBWL's and Perpetua's?

This is what is written in the page:

Mandrakk^

Something irrelevant to the rest of my post

TDK/Perpetua^

 

[Recap_]

Oh yes, you don't forget Dr. Manhattan, he can scale up to 1-A through Perpetua.

 

[Recap_]

Doctor Manhattan should also be a 1-A since Wonder Woman with his powers stalemated Perpetua in a clash which burned out the Sun with Lex Luthor saying she would have won if she hadn't hesitated.

 

[Recap_]

since Wonder Woman with his powers stalemated Perpetua in a clash which burned out the Sun with

Dark Night: Death Metal #2

Lex Luthor saying she would have won if she hadn't hesitated.

Dark Night: Death Metal #5

To compensate for my embarrassing show,

 

[Transcending]

The sun scan is from the guidebook, I would know, since it was me who originally updated Manhattan with that ; )