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DC Comics Crisis Cosmology Scaling

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Related Thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/crisis-cosmology-revision-final-thread.176932/
Since the Cosmology got accepted and the cosmology was officially applied, it is time to upgrade whomever was left out.
This thread is for those who scale to the current Crisis Cosmology who haven't been dealt with.
Please provide Scans and/or References (preferably both though) so people can fact check your claims to see if the context backs up them scaling to that level.
 
If Doctor fate is considered as 1A+ , why is Cosmic armour Superman is only considered as only 1A . Monitor sphere exists outside the sphere of gods as per the map
 
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Aquaman (Post-Crisis)

Aquaman is the ruler of Atlantis and the Earth's oceans, an Atlantean with incredible strength and speed as well as the ability to command all sea-life. His unique physiology allows him to survive on land and at the ocean's greatest depths of pressure and temperature. Given the names Orin...
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Just to be 100% clear (pun intended), we are upgrading Aquaman to 1-A with The Clear, correct?
 
Also, in the recent Jenny Sparks series, Captain Atom easily destroyed and recreated the DC multiverse, if I remember correctly. 🙏

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Captain Atom (Post-Flashpoint)

Nathaniel Adam was an airforce captain before he became part of Doctor Heinrich Megala's experiment to prove the M-Theory correct and discover something amazing. However, the experiment was a failure and Nathaniel Adam was considered dead for a brief period of time. In reality, Nathaniel had...
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Kyle Rayner potentially needs a new key or upgrade to 1-A via the Life Equation. It being the opposite to the ALE and according to Highfather, what he needed to end Darkseid during the Godhead run. The rest is pretty straightforward.
 
Da3ggman said:
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Aquaman (Post-Crisis)

Aquaman is the ruler of Atlantis and the Earth's oceans, an Atlantean with incredible strength and speed as well as the ability to command all sea-life. His unique physiology allows him to survive on land and at the ocean's greatest depths of pressure and temperature. Given the names Orin...
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Just to be 100% clear (pun intended), we are upgrading Aquaman to 1-A with The Clear, correct?
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Yeah.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
They all oversee an aspect of life in different ways. The real question is why would one be less than the other?
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Why would Aquaman scale to the Clear? Having the Clear as a power source isn't enough to prove that. Its not like the other elementals are equal to each other, this fight between Captain Atom and Firestorm should be enough to prove that.

Also, "Aquaman with the Clear" doesn't make sense. This is like saying "Orion with the Astro Force", or "Green Lantern with the Green Lantern Power Ring". Its not some special powerup
 
So um looking through a few DC stuff to see what should be changed
  • Is Fables canon to DC ? Not sure if it is or not. If it is then it's God-Tier (Kevin, the embodiment of Storytelling) likely scales
  • According to Chrysallis Girl's profile (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chrysalis_(Eternity_Girl) , She scales to All of Creation and scales to the Lords of Order, so she'll probably get 1-A
  • Doom Patrol's highest end feats probably net them High 1-A and I believe someone
  • Wildstorm is a... tricky thing. It is Post-Crisis and DC made it really clear it's a part of the story, so it's God-Tiers likely get the mother of all buffs to 1-A (the High 1-A stuff wasn't out when Wildstorm wasn't a thing, only reason they wouldn't be High 1-A)
  • Because Mxy and DC Comics confirmed on more than one occasion every Mxy is the same Mxy, Cosmic Adventurers Supergirl may become 1-A actually, but unsure about this.
  • Zatanna's feat on her profile "Zatanna easily blasted through a barrier that The Phantom Stranger and Pandora, who is comparable to him, could not get past" would either be an Outlier as Stranger is no longer 4-B but 1-A, or someone can make a really good argument that Zatanna can be given a 1-A key at her peak. I'm fine with either. We'd also need to reevaluate the other 4-Bs to make sure they aren't secretly Tier 1s
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Why would Aquaman scale to the Clear? Having the Clear as a power source isn't enough to prove that. Its not like the other elementals are equal to each other, this fight between Captain Atom and Firestorm should be enough to prove that.
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There's also more comics depicting that it is on the same level of importance as the other forces. One bad instance doesn't deter anything.
Hypertornado099 said:
Also, "Aquaman with the Clear" doesn't make sense. This is like saying "Orion with the Astro Force", or "Green Lantern with the Green Lantern Power Ring". It's not some special powerup
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We’ll let that be figured by the person who does it.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
There's also more comics depicting that it is on the same level of importance as the other forces
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You're missing the point here, the Clear being the same tier as the Green and other forces is completely irrelevant because Elementals do not scale to the entirety of their elemental forced
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
So um looking through a few DC stuff to see what should be changed
  • Is Fables canon to DC ? Not sure if it is or not. If it is then it's God-Tier (Kevin, the embodiment of Storytelling) likely scales
  • According to Chrysallis Girl's profile (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chrysalis_(Eternity_Girl) , She scales to All of Creation and scales to the Lords of Order, so she'll probably get 1-A
  • Doom Patrol's highest end feats probably net them High 1-A and I believe someone
  • Wildstorm is a... tricky thing. It is Post-Crisis and DC made it really clear it's a part of the story, so it's God-Tiers likely get the mother of all buffs to 1-A (the High 1-A stuff wasn't out when Wildstorm wasn't a thing, only reason they wouldn't be High 1-A)
  • Because Mxy and DC Comics confirmed on more than one occasion every Mxy is the same Mxy, Cosmic Adventurers Supergirl may become 1-A actually, but unsure about this.
  • Zatanna's feat on her profile "Zatanna easily blasted through a barrier that The Phantom Stranger and Pandora, who is comparable to him, could not get past" would either be an Outlier as Stranger is no longer 4-B but 1-A, or someone can make a really good argument that Zatanna can be given a 1-A key at her peak. I'm fine with either. We'd also need to reevaluate the other 4-Bs to make sure they aren't secretly Tier 1s
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fables is not canon.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
fables is not canon.
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Yes, it would completely mess up the scaling to use the Fables crossovers with The Unwritten and DC Comics to include The Leviathan and Kevin Thorne into DC Comics creation cosmology. 🙏
 
NeonTxme said:
he escaped the Source.
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Isn't he in a realm with no dimensions? That is also the reason he can't really go anywhere and remains in the same spot even if he tries to move. He didn't even escape in the scans, he is trapped and the old man says that maybe he thinks he is moving at the speed of light
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Zatanna's feat on her profile "Zatanna easily blasted through a barrier that The Phantom Stranger and Pandora, who is comparable to him, could not get past" would either be an Outlier as Stranger is no longer 4-B but 1-A, or someone can make a really good argument that Zatanna can be given a 1-A key at her peak. I'm fine with either. We'd also need to reevaluate the other 4-Bs to make sure they aren't secretly Tier 1s
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I'm reading Zatanna's appearances right now, so I could probably tell if its an outlier once I'm done. From what I've read so far, I doubt Zatanna is consistently 1-A
 
NeonTxme said:
Given that Superman has clashed and fought on par with Darkseid in the Dark Crisis On Infinite Earths comic, do you think this elevates Superman's status to that same level?
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The scans you sent are pretty vague, the first one shows them about to fight each other, no damage is done. The second just shows Darkseid taking heat vision with no visible damage. Superman can scale to Darkseid for other reasons, but the feats you sent aren't notable enough to be used as a justification for anything other than Darkseid's durability
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Yeah.
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'''Outerversal level''' with The Clear ([https://imgur.com/gallery/aquaman-uses-clear-1RiBrxp Can access and manipulate] [[Media:Porm 003.webp|The Clear]], [ the aquatic equivalent to The Green and The Red], which exist as sort or like Plato's archetypal world, a transcendent "implicate order" of [ ideas and imagination] from which the "explicate order" of [ physical reality merely unfolds from.])
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How does this look? I'll add references, btw, just want to get the main stuff down.

(Ignore it looking weird on here; just copied and pasted it from a sandbox)
 
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