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What makes the 10x speed statement hypothetical?
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DBZ Speed CRT
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There is nothing hypothetical about it it was clearly stated & like we proved its very consistent with the show
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Didn't we already use it to get Goku to Low 4-C+ by multiplying it with his post-Zenkai base Namek Self, which sorta scales to First Form Frieza?
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Shouldn't Buu's universal destruction feat count as a FTL feat? Sure he was doing it overtime, but even the Kaioshin were worried that Buu would come for them after destroying the universe and their lifespans are in the tens of thousands.
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Didn't the Legend of the Manga guide say something about Frieza's Death Beams being a "beam of light" or something like that?
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I remember there being other sources for this, but my memory isn't exactly clear about it.
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I vaguely recall the Legend of the Manga saying that but that was a while back. If there are more than one sources proving Frieza's FTL death beams are legit then that could help support MFTL for DBZ I think. Personally though I think Buu's universal rampage and the Watagash feat (If that can be scaled to DBZ) are legitimate FTL feats.
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Let's not derail.
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Sorry, my bad.
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No. That was just upscaling.
But I'll talk about it later since Firestorm said we shouldn't derail.
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This is my opinion as well
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So lemme get this straight.
Yall got MFTL based on a shit ton of multipliers off of one calc?
Yes or no
Yall got MFTL based on a shit ton of multipliers off of one calc?
Yes or no
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As an aside, comparing GoH with what you're trying to do here is false equivalence.
The 250,000x amp was only done once by the God tier of the verse and scales only to AP. We have a seperate calc for speed and it is much faster than if we had used pure multiplier.
The 250,000x amp was only done once by the God tier of the verse and scales only to AP. We have a seperate calc for speed and it is much faster than if we had used pure multiplier.
ZetaMarishi
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Yes, that is how it ended up working out.
Rikimarox2
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Pretty much. Statements of them becoming 10x faster, along with multipliers.
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They call the death beams actual light. We've rejected it on many occasions.
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I see.
Stefano4444
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All the speed increases are for the most based on the multipliers given by the Kaioken, while the rest are still supported by the Manga.
DBZ Conservative Speed Scaling
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Okay. If this builds on our currently accepted method, I am neutral then.
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Well, I personally do not mind, but we need a clearance from other staff members to go ahead.
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If this argument is based on our current standards, can't we continue to use them?
@AKM sama @DarkDragonMedeus @ByAsura
If this argument is based on our current standards, can't we continue to use them?
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I'm not against using the 10x statements, but I'd rather not force AKM Sama or Damage with losing their patience or interest in debating the series. Last I heard, Damage was even against upscaling them above the initial Relativistic+ feat to begin with at least originally. Kaioken statements are very in our faces, and I do realize going from being used to 10 G's to being used to 100G's would make you 10x stronger and faster. But wouldn't we also have to do the same for Raditz saga Goku to Vegeta saga Goku by that logic? Which would only result in more stacking and make the opposing side even more reluctant to accept the upgrade. Also, Ryukama thinks it's hypocritical that we didn't accept Frieza's FTL Death Beams statement which AKM Sama is also okay with using that since it makes some general FTL ratings consistent.
But anyway, while I'm not necessarily against using Ryu's blog, It's just more safer and less pushy to use my version. as that's basically the same as our current scaling chain but with the new Relativistic+ as the initial calculation rather than simply Relativistic.
But anyway, while I'm not necessarily against using Ryu's blog, It's just more safer and less pushy to use my version. as that's basically the same as our current scaling chain but with the new Relativistic+ as the initial calculation rather than simply Relativistic.
Stefano4444
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But we aren't merely assuming the 10 times increase just because Goku did train under 100G, but because its stated in the official Shonen Jump manga synopsis.
Which is als consistent with the official scaling as Namek Saga Goku is above Saiyan Saga Goku even with KK4.
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Was there really a 10x amp statement for Goku post-King Kai training tho? So far the evidence to me looks as if that statement only exists for the Namek Saga, I don't remember there being either a synopsis or even a direct statement for the 10x amp from King Kai's training, such a statement AFAIK only exists during the Namek Saga.
Also DDM seems to be forgetting some multipliers in his blog.
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Stefano4444
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Which it just dumb other than deeply unfair, considering there are plenty of characters from other verses that reach certain tiers by simply scaling.
For crying out loud, most Pre DBZ characters are Relativistic just because they are faster than Master Roshi, who had Sub-Relativistic+ speed.
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I've already replied to his blog with some corrections, however, I still believe the 10x multiplier to be legitimate for Namek Saga as it has enough evidence going on for it, however I see no evidence for any statements where Goku's post-Kai training has him become stronger by ten times, there's not even any synopses I can think of that states it so for the Saiyan Saga.
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Yeah no, no way in hell is this gonna fly, the Saiyan Saga KK multipliers are pretty blatant and show obvious strength and speed advantages.
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Okay. That is probably fine then.
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I don't know what post DDM is referring to. I didn't say I was against upscaling them above that feat, unless he's referring to my earlier stance on upscaling for the entire site.
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Kaioken is fine to scale from, yes. We have had long discussions about that.
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Tied up hands atm, but will update my blog soon. And I recall it was a super old thread; but it might have been the Real Cal Howard who was against it then.
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Except Dragon Ball relies on blatantly-stated multipliers like Kaio-Ken and SSJ1, we're not using the 1.33x logic here, this is completely different.
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I believe he had that problem on the DBS thread, not necessarily the DBZ one.
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This would also apply to the Kaio-ken multipliers in the Namek Saga. We aren't gonna axe those either, to do so would be blatant, dishonest downplay.
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Alright, I updated the blog, and yes; absolutely Kaioken is solid due to how in our faces the multipliers are with that.
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Your Version is ok but there is something you need to know u should use SS as 50x & 4 x 0.745 = 2.98 probably I think it was lower in your Version could u change that please I think there was a calculation mistake or something but I still think that 10x boast was legit & safe, we proved its consistency with the series & why its safe
Other than that you are reasonable I think & I understand ur views on this I respect that
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