• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

DBZ Speed CRT

Status
Not open for further replies.
@Divine I don't get it. Are you for or against SS2 Gohan while he was fighting Dabura?
Qawsedf234 said:
Tbf Vegeta was only confirmed to be stronger than Cell Games Gohan when Majin.

Plus I did note that the form would be without Boo's rage amps, where most of his higher level power comes from and one of the major reasons why Super Boo was so much stronger.
Click to expand...
It is strongly implied that the gap isn't as massive as Vegeta was making it out to be and that he still surpasses Gohan. I'll get proof at home.

I'll address that later, too.
 
Ok. Then the stuff I was going to post probably doesn't matter.

I do agree that Gohan being 50% Buu just doesn't make sense, but I was saying the scaling could work.
 
Well to rephrase my statement. SS2 Gohan provided half the energy needed to revive Buu. So it's very likely it's not even Boo's full strength, just a lower assumpt to get a bare minimum speed thing.
 
Babidi does actually say he'd be brought back at half power.

Edit: There's some weird stuff. It's kind of difficult to determine because Kai doesn't actually know how strong Goku and Vegeta are until later.
 
Last edited:
LightReinh12345 said:
I saw that I personally believe the Original boast of SSJ2 being 2x above SSJ
Click to expand...
I think it's just 2x but I don't really care to debate cuz it honestly won't change anything. I'll converse with you but the second I have to search something up to prove my point I'm not arguing anymore.
 
DivineAura44 said:
I think it's just 2x but I don't really care to debate cuz it honestly won't change anything. I'll converse with you but the second I have to search something up to prove my point I'm not arguing anymore.
Click to expand...
Lol its very much 2x to me based on the official multipliers & I dont See it being inconsistent at all they were very much surprised by his strength & speed should be at least 2x
 
No that's the problem. I think it was exactly 2 times. Most people think it's more and use it as a way to contradict the Daizenshuu and the other SSJ Transformations.
 
Last edited:
Except only the Super Saiyan multiplier is mentioned by the Daizenshuu. Everything else comes from the Super Exciting Guide and is contradicted by a lot, like Gohan casually turning a casual stomp around.
 
2x Super Saiyan is conservative if you really think about it. Cell was casually superior to FSS Gohan while holding back a large amount of power. Yet, Gohan stomped not only Perfect Cell at full strength, but he very, very casually one-shot him while he was assuming a form equivalent to Grade 3, though he was a little weakened after healing 3 of his limbs (he was a tad tired, but Imperfect Cell has regrown both limbs and his tail with virtually no power loss, and is far superior to Piccolo).

Cell's forms are frequently shown to be largely the same as Super Saiyan forms, so if Grade 3 is exactly the same then the gap would be gigantic. For example, Trunks was slightly inferior to Vegeta with Grade 2, but Grade 3 Trunks dwarfed a casual Cell that was far superior to Grade 2 Vegeta.

Gohan was also revealed to be holding back a gigantic amount of power, and surpassed Cell with his Ki halved.
 
ByAsura said:
2x Super Saiyan is conservative if you really think about it. Cell was casually superior to FSS Gohan while holding back a large amount of power. Yet, Gohan stomped not only Perfect Cell at full strength, but he very, very casually one-shot him while he was assuming a form equivalent to Grade 3, though he was a little weakened after healing 3 of his limbs (he was a tad tired, but Imperfect Cell has regrown both limbs and his tail with virtually no power loss, and is far superior to Piccolo).

Cell's forms are frequently shown to be largely the same as Super Saiyan forms, so if Grade 3 is exactly the same then the gap would be gigantic. For example, Trunks was slightly inferior to Vegeta with Grade 2, but Grade 3 Trunks dwarfed a casual Cell that was far superior to Grade 2 Vegeta.

Gohan was also revealed to be holding back a gigantic amount of power, and surpassed Cell with his Ki halved.
Click to expand...
Yes, but that's the problem. If you say it's greater than x2 than Daizenshuu becomes unreliable.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Except only the Super Saiyan multiplier is mentioned by the Daizenshuu. Everything else comes from the Super Exciting Guide and is contradicted by a lot, like Gohan casually turning a casual stomp around.
Click to expand...
You already seen my argument and I feel I disproved your point but if you don't think so we can agree to disagree.
 
A lot of it is from the Daizenshuu guides, but then a lot is also created by them. That's why they have the 50x multiplier (something that's insanely consistent with the manga).
 
Last edited:
ByAsura said:
A lot of it is from the Daizenshuu guides, but then a lot is also created by them. That's why they have the 50x multiplier (something that's insanely consistent with the manga).
Click to expand...
Damn so the 50x multiplier to Goku's post-Zenkai Namek Saga base self really did have its footing in official sources.
 
LightReinh12345 said:
I think its 2x for ss2 but its more for Gohan due to the rage boost on top of that
Click to expand...
The rage isn't counted as SSJ2, but yeah that was my entire logic on it. I don't think the first 3 SSJ's should be discarded because of a whole new anime and a whole new set of transformations.
 
LordTracer said:
Let’s get back on topic, shall we? Does everyone agree with this as the scaling chain for the Android, Cell and Buu Arcs?
Click to expand...
We are discussing the multipliers, also if Gohan is 50% of base Majin Buu. (Which makes no sense as he was fighting SSJ3 Goku pretty evenly.)
Edit: Which would scale is Goku is Double of Kid Buu.
 
Last edited:
Buu was not fighting Goku evenly, Goku overpowered him by far and at one point, he took a punch from Buu with zero damage. He also consistently deflected Buu’s attacks during their fight.

And I don’t know where you’re getting Gohan being x2 Kid Buu from.
 
DivineAura44 said:
The rage isn't counted as SSJ2, but yeah that was my entire logic on it. I don't think the first 3 SSJ's should be discarded because of a whole new anime and a whole new set of transformations.
Click to expand...
Did I say it counted as ssj2?!? I even explained ssj2 is 2x but Gohan got more than 2x due to that rage
 
LordTracer said:
Buu was not fighting Goku evenly, Goku overpowered him by far and at one point, he took a punch from Buu with zero damage. He also consistently deflected Buu’s attacks during their fight.
Click to expand...
Goku also noted that he was perfectly capable of killing Buu but chose not to do so in order for the next generation to fight their own battles.

As for the Cell/Buu arc numbers afaik no one has argued against any of mine and your placements. Ryu just needs to update his blog with the scans.
 
LordTracer said:
Let’s get back on topic, shall we? Does everyone agree with this as the scaling chain for the Android, Cell and Buu Arcs?
Click to expand...
Looks good to me.

I also agree with Buu not scaling to SSJ3 Goku. Goku was casually keeping up with him, and was clearly superior. This was even confirmed by Goku himself when he said he could've killed him at any time, but chose not for "reasons".
 
LordTracer said:
Buu was not fighting Goku evenly, Goku overpowered him by far and at one point, he took a punch from Buu with zero damage. He also consistently deflected Buu’s attacks during their fight.

And I don’t know where you’re getting Gohan being x2 Kid Buu from.
Click to expand...
KID? I literally repeated BASE, MAJIN Buu. They got it from the Buu egg being 50% charged. Also Buu deflected Goku's attacks as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

RM97
DBZ Majin Buu Small Addition
Replies
17
Views
1K
SamanPatou
SamanPatou
Dragon Ball Kaioken Validity
Replies
2
Views
604
Jaakor48
Ednaxel2
  • Locked
Dragon Ball AP Ratings Upgrade
16 17 18
Replies
680
Views
36K
Duedate8898
Duedate8898
Padaruyos
Dragon Ball Z (Manga): Expanded Speed Scaling
Replies
5
Views
1K
Hiryu-Z
Hiryu-Z
Ednaxel2
Dragon Ball AP, sad downgrade (Raditz/Saiyan/Namek Saga Tiers only)
4 5 6
Replies
223
Views
12K
Ednaxel2
Ednaxel2
Back
Top