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It was in the tiering system revision: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3532239?useskin=oasis I'm not sure if The staff were agreeing or disagreeing with that though.
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DBS Goku NPI addition.
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Vegeta wasn't capable of so much at touching the ghost from the Arale episode. So no to this.
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He did fuse with the universe though didn't he? He had fused with the universe and was spreading through the entire timeline and possibly even other timelines. It's what his rating is based on, so I think he was entirely non-corporeal.
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This is wholly incorrect. Just rewatched it, Vegeta never even TRIED to touch the ghost. Nor did Goku.The real cal howard said:
The moment he entered the fray, he began fighting Arale and he got his butt kicked because she's a gag character and he gets blasted away, and at the end he's pouting saying he'll never fight a gag character again.
So this WOULD be a good counter if it actually happened
The best you have is Trunks and Dr. Slump failing to hit Dr. Mashirito, who namely isn't Goku or Vegeta.
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I haven't seen anything that decisively refutes the proposed additions, and I still agree with it as well.
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I do really hate that sentence tbh "X admin seems to make sense" when what Cal said about Vegeta trying to touch the ghost didn't happen at all and Antoniofer's point is an assumption more than anything.
The blasts touched Zamasu who had Fused with the universe/was a soul and was stated to have lost his physical form so this should be blatant NPI.
There's always a but to an DB upgrade thread as blatant as it may seem.
The blasts touched Zamasu who had Fused with the universe/was a soul and was stated to have lost his physical form so this should be blatant NPI.
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I'm not sure why we would assume Infinite Zamasu is "physical" when his true body was completely destroyed moments earlier, what we are seeing is likely Zamasu's inmortal soul taking over the universe.
Vegeta and Goku never tried to touch the ghost of the Arale episode. I'm not saying that I completely agree with this, but closing this thread with such poor counter arguments is a very bad idea.
Vegeta and Goku never tried to touch the ghost of the Arale episode. I'm not saying that I completely agree with this, but closing this thread with such poor counter arguments is a very bad idea.
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Welp, saying that what Goku stroke with his blast was a soul also sounds like it came from nowhere, also, fusing with the universe is and is not being intangible, cuz you known, the universe isn't entirely intangible, much less immaterial.
But if our suggestion are so disliked, you can always ask the knowledgeable member list of DB, regular and staff user alike.
But if our suggestion are so disliked, you can always ask the knowledgeable member list of DB, regular and staff user alike.
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I did make a mistake with the Vegeta thing. But it was still Trunks that failed.
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Even if we assume Infinite Zamasu had made a forcefield around the planet for some reason, then we'd have to give him the ability Forcefield Creation (Created a Barrier around Earth) and possibly Power Nullification (Nullified and/or Counteracted Goku, Vegeta And Trunk's beams with Forcefield)
So either Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks gets NPI or Zamasu gets Forcefield Creation and Power Nullification.
And no, Kid Trunks (Who's infinitely weaker than Future Trunks) failing to hit the Ghost doesn't say anything since Kid Trunks is literally the lowest of the totem pole in DBS when excluding purposefully weak characters.
So either Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks gets NPI or Zamasu gets Forcefield Creation and Power Nullification.
And no, Kid Trunks (Who's infinitely weaker than Future Trunks) failing to hit the Ghost doesn't say anything since Kid Trunks is literally the lowest of the totem pole in DBS when excluding purposefully weak characters.
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As therefir said
The whole purpose of infinite zamasu is that he lost his physical body and Kid Trunks is not an argument towards not applying this to Goku and Vegeta, when they are the ones in question here and obviously far more powerful
The whole purpose of infinite zamasu is that he lost his physical body and Kid Trunks is not an argument towards not applying this to Goku and Vegeta, when they are the ones in question here and obviously far more powerful
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Zamasu: Lost his physical body to fuse with the universe
Goku: *attacks and lands it*
"Nah this isn't NPI"
Goku: *attacks and lands it*
"Nah this isn't NPI"
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So while i agree with NPI, what would be it's type?
Soul based or space time based? Or both?
Also, from what i understand, the "kid trunks argument" comes from the fact that he also has ki like goku and vegeta and thus should have NPI as well but failes to touch a ghost.
But aside from ki being different to each character (in some way), couldn't they just have been using god ki? Making them unique to this ability.
Or you know, zamasu non-corporeality could be different than the ghost's.
Soul based or space time based? Or both?
Also, from what i understand, the "kid trunks argument" comes from the fact that he also has ki like goku and vegeta and thus should have NPI as well but failes to touch a ghost.
But aside from ki being different to each character (in some way), couldn't they just have been using god ki? Making them unique to this ability.
Or you know, zamasu non-corporeality could be different than the ghost's.
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Soul based NPI
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Maybe, but weren't those done by shockwaves instead of ki?Dragomer said:
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Is a possibly NPI an option? Also dosen't Goku in the Hit mini arc block and counter intangible attacks? That could add some validity.
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More like Non-Corporeal, Soul, and Intangible based NPI via Ki blastZenkaibattery1 said:
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I agree with what Therefir said about IZ being non-corporeal.
On the topic, Goku does have some evidence going for him as he later managed to block Hit's intangible attacks. But the last time this thread was made, it was decided to treat it as an outlier (for the other two at least), I don't know what changed after that.
On the topic, Goku does have some evidence going for him as he later managed to block Hit's intangible attacks. But the last time this thread was made, it was decided to treat it as an outlier (for the other two at least), I don't know what changed after that.
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Because this time, the evidence that was ignored prior (Goku and co. hitting IZ) was brought back up. This alongside the Hit feat lends credence that it wasn't, in fact, an outlier at all. Plus all the evidence brought up in an attempt to reject it this time was itself rejected, ironically enough, for being too unsubstantial.AKM sama said:
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You should ask some of the experienced members and staff listed in the Dragon Ball verse page and the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.
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It wasn't ignored. I can agree about Goku because he later showed the same ability kinda. But for Vegeta and Trunks it only looked like a one-off instance. That's why it was deemed an outlier.Akreious said:
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Well Vegeta and Trunks never had the opportunity to fight other intangible or non-corporeal opponents again. Dont see why the same ability has to be used multiple times in order for it to not be considered an outlier.
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