Darksiders: "Maybe" Tier revision

[NoMoreTalking]

Lord of Hollows stated that Abraxis is strong enough to threatens the Earth.

Fury: Can we go now?

Lord of Hollows: Not quite yet. There is the matter of Abraxis to discuss.

Fury: Abraxis?

Lord of Hollows: A demon meddler. If Earth is to remain intact, he must be dealt with...


And Fury is capable of defeating Abraxis.

Is this 5-B?

 

[Antvasima]

It is too vague. It is likely a figure of speech, and we don't know the type of destruction involved.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Judging by the quote, I would agree with the latter, but not the former.

 

[Antvasima]

So do you agree with me?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It's enough for a "possibly far higher" or an unknown rating, but it's not 5-B.

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Just found this.

Lord of Hollows, who comparable to Abraxis, was stated by Abraxis that "he would hollow the planet" , and Lord of Hollows himself confirmed it .

 

[Antvasima]

Without an explicit feat to calculate, we do not know the scale and timeframe involved.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It could be inferred that he could survive the heat down there.

 

[Antvasima]

That is just Resistance to Heat Manipulation.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

That's what I meant.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Like at most this is likely far higher

 

[Antvasima]

Adding the resistance and a "likely far higher" is probably fine.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Okay. I'll ad them, thank you everyone.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Is there anything else left to do here?

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Not anymore. You can close this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to reopen this.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Thanks Ant.

Here's the feats:

The Horsemen was far more stronger than Vulgrim, who possessed Elderstone which powerful enough to shape worlds .

Strife and War easily killed Dagon, who powerful enough to drawn and cleanse the world . (And killed many other beings that stronger than Dagon)

Is this High 6-A?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

1. Shape Worlds means what? as in planets? Also why does Vulgrim scale to these stones?

2. So the great flood. This can be calculated although not sure how long it would take him to do it if it matters in a calc like that.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

1. Should be planet, yes. Vulgrim have that stone (There's only one of them), and story (and lore) threats him as weaker than the Horsemen.

2. Is as fast as flood, I think? It should be, as it referred to as the great flood that drown the world and wash away every living things.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Oh, and War also referred as the bringer of worldwide fire .

There's no reason to add "worldwide" if it's just some boast, so I suggest that is a statement not a hyperbole.

Plus the statements about Abraxis and Lord of the Hollows above, as well as some statement about Gluttony would eat the whole of the earth. With this much evidence I think High 6-A feats seem legit.

(Don't know much about Ember Core feat that GHG4589 brought up in other thread tho.)

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

2. Is as fast as flood, I think? It should be, as it referred to as the great flood that drown the world and wash away every living things.

We don't know how fast that is.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Galdera got High 6-A because the same reason.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

1. I understand Vulgrim has it but I'm not quite understanding the connection here. Does he uses the stones power to fight or is it just some artifact he's had hidden or something? Depending on your response it could be pretty useless.

2. You can ask someone to calc this flood for you I guess.

3. "Bringer of worldwide fire" is just his title, there isn't anything to support it in terms of feats or other statements.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

1. Yeah he just kept it.

2. Isn't it has been calc? Earth flooding has been calc to be Country level to Continent level, or Multi-Continent.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

1.Then he doesn't scale it since he's just keeping the artifact which means riders don't scale unless there is a direct comparison I missed.

2. Oh I see. I read somewhere Dagon flood worlds via a ritual. Do you know the specifics of the ritual?

 

[NoMoreTalking]

My bad, it's not scaled from Dagon, but scaled from the Stormcaller. (But War and Strife killed him anyways)

But I didn't see any referred to the ritual when I'm playing. If you found the ritual stuff from Dagon's page in DS wiki, I suggest that might be some error.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah that is where I saw it.

Edit - I'm neutral on the World flood but against the Vulgrim thing.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

I think low-end Country level might be better than high-end Multi-Continent level right now.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I mean it is practically a ritual.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Oh.

 

[Antvasima]

So have you reached a conclusion here?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Gurren Lagann-nonono

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You can ask a few discussion moderators for help if you wish.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Appearantly a Stormcaller who can flooding the planet was granted by Lucifer , which of course Lucifer is overall more powerful than him. That should put Lucifer at 6-B (Low-End of the planet flooding).

And Samael was stated to be able to to rival the Dark Prince himself.

The Horsemen scaled to Samael, as Death once fought against him.

Shouldn't Samael and the Horsemen's tier be "At least 7-B, possibly 6-B"?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You can ask a few discussion moderators for help if you wish.

VS Battles Staff

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Okay. I'll ask DarkDragonMedeus, since he's a supporter and knowledgable member of this verse.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Asking a few others as well doesn't hurt though. Medeus is already working very hard.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, Threatening the Earth seems a bit vague, and sounds more like High 6-A at best. But the idea of flooding the earth or perishing it in fire does indeed sound like High 6-A. Flooding the Earth has been considered a High 6-A feat for a long time.

I personally think Lucifer's Earth flooding feat being High 6-A is reasonable.