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I'm making this revision to do some justice to the demons (which are severely underrepresented on this wiki), the Everlasting Dragons (which are honestly downplayed pretty badly), and the Lords (which save for Gwyn are also downplayed), as well as to further flesh out the playable characters' pages, which I feel are missing a tier or two. So let's just get right into it.
Demons
This is going to be a fairly simple segment, since it just deals with the missing player character tier I was talking about, and the Archtree melting feat that used to be the basis of the ratings for the Dark Souls god tiers but has been slept on ever since the upgrade. Basically, Demons such as Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Demon Firesage should be given City level ratings scaling to the Archtree melting feat, namely the 9.745 megaton value derived from melting a full Archtree. This should scale to Quelaag, as she was one of the Daughters of Chaos who was involved with burning down the Archtrees, and should scale to Firesage, Ceaseless Discharge, and the Chosen Undead, who are comparable to her or directly scale to her.
Dragons
The Everlasting Dragons have been victim to some pretty heavy downplaying, including one comment on a previous Dark Souls CRT that essentially summed up the Dragon War as a mere extermination where a few Silver Knights died. And due to this, they have been victim to wonky scaling that is nonsensical and lore-breaking. Let's take Black Dragon Kalameet for example. His page states that Anor Londo, in its prime (implying the presence of Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, who is High 4-C) didn't dare to provoke him. And yet, Kalameet is 6-B? Country level is infinitesimal next to Large Star level. Sure, Gwyn is weak to Dark, but Gwyn would still ash Kalameet by sheer AP difference according to VBW, and yet still fears him according to lore. That is massively inconsistent, and should be rectified. This also applies to Nito and Seath, who, despite being a Lord and holding a significant portion of Gwyn's Soul respectively, are made out to be utter chumps compared to Gwyn and the Lords of Cinder by the wiki. And given that 6-B is essentially an across-the-board rating for all Everlasting Dragons, this also implies that Midir is 6-B, despite being capable of bodying the Ashen One, who has to defeat an absolute bare minimum of 2 High 4-C characters to even make it to Midir in the first place, and more often than not will fight Midir toward the end of their journey, when they have fought up to 6 4-C to High 4-C characters. And this is to say nothing of why Midir is in the Ringed City in the first palce, which is to consume portions of the Ringed City's Abyss to keep it in check, an Abyss which is sustained by the very Dark Soul held by the Pygmy Lords, which is one of the 4 Lord Souls, and the counterpart to Gwyn's own Light Soul. To further illustrate the power of the Dark Soul, this very same Dark Souls later empowers Gael to the point where he's one of the top 5 most powerful beings in the entire series. Everlasting Dragons should not be so insultingly far behind the Lords on the power ladder. That is massively inconsistent, and should be rectified.
Demons
This is going to be a fairly simple segment, since it just deals with the missing player character tier I was talking about, and the Archtree melting feat that used to be the basis of the ratings for the Dark Souls god tiers but has been slept on ever since the upgrade. Basically, Demons such as Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, and Demon Firesage should be given City level ratings scaling to the Archtree melting feat, namely the 9.745 megaton value derived from melting a full Archtree. This should scale to Quelaag, as she was one of the Daughters of Chaos who was involved with burning down the Archtrees, and should scale to Firesage, Ceaseless Discharge, and the Chosen Undead, who are comparable to her or directly scale to her.
Dragons
The Everlasting Dragons have been victim to some pretty heavy downplaying, including one comment on a previous Dark Souls CRT that essentially summed up the Dragon War as a mere extermination where a few Silver Knights died. And due to this, they have been victim to wonky scaling that is nonsensical and lore-breaking. Let's take Black Dragon Kalameet for example. His page states that Anor Londo, in its prime (implying the presence of Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, who is High 4-C) didn't dare to provoke him. And yet, Kalameet is 6-B? Country level is infinitesimal next to Large Star level. Sure, Gwyn is weak to Dark, but Gwyn would still ash Kalameet by sheer AP difference according to VBW, and yet still fears him according to lore. That is massively inconsistent, and should be rectified. This also applies to Nito and Seath, who, despite being a Lord and holding a significant portion of Gwyn's Soul respectively, are made out to be utter chumps compared to Gwyn and the Lords of Cinder by the wiki. And given that 6-B is essentially an across-the-board rating for all Everlasting Dragons, this also implies that Midir is 6-B, despite being capable of bodying the Ashen One, who has to defeat an absolute bare minimum of 2 High 4-C characters to even make it to Midir in the first place, and more often than not will fight Midir toward the end of their journey, when they have fought up to 6 4-C to High 4-C characters. And this is to say nothing of why Midir is in the Ringed City in the first palce, which is to consume portions of the Ringed City's Abyss to keep it in check, an Abyss which is sustained by the very Dark Soul held by the Pygmy Lords, which is one of the 4 Lord Souls, and the counterpart to Gwyn's own Light Soul. To further illustrate the power of the Dark Soul, this very same Dark Souls later empowers Gael to the point where he's one of the top 5 most powerful beings in the entire series. Everlasting Dragons should not be so insultingly far behind the Lords on the power ladder. That is massively inconsistent, and should be rectified.