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Danganronpa Tier 9s upgrade

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You didn't get the point. High 6-As of the verse have a single feat on that caliber. And you obviously don't downgrade them from such tier ofc. Same for the 6-Bs, as all other Lugia's feats are like Tier 7, or Tornadus' Tier 7 tornado is counted as impressive.
Again, that case is a different character that is considered stronger than the common and semi-legendary pokemon, while what you say is that the same character becomes stronger for a feat.

the difference is that, for Lugia a 7-A is a minimum that exceeds even if he did not have feats, so there is no problem to scale to what he has done, while the case of this thread does not have a minimum that exceeds that overcome even without feats, since they fulfill the role of a minimum for the hight tier.
But anyway, in this wiki we accept tiers for characters who struggle/don't do effortlessly stuff which is normally thousands times weaker than them (I can mention Earthbound too where it has just a 8-B feat but rest is 9-A, and why is DR suddenly an exception to such?
I don't know about Earthbound but giving a quick look at Ness's profile ... they are separated, those specific profiles are based on that they have become stronger in the adventure, now if that is right or wrong ... I don't know


I do not know how the rest of the verses are treated and I do not care, if your only argument is that others do it then I can do the same ... because those of Ace attorney are not 9-A if the explosion that Apollo endures is supposedly of that level
because Black widow (UCM) is not 8-C if she can kill Outriders and there will be one or another more

at the end of the story ..... can you stop mentioning other verses ?, you derail your own thread

It's still 9-B to 9-A, the gap isn't that large to begin with.
By the way, my problem is that we have many anti-feats that are less even than the fall of Naegi, if you take the fall of Naegi out of the equation (which is the one with the highest power jump) you have many doubtful feats not casual, and above all the truck that hit Souda, the most likely thing is that it is 9-C +, put it like this:
9-C: Nanami's Casual Feat, she faints | Souda's non-casual feat, gets injured and needs bandages = 2
9-B: Doubtful feat of Komaru, after this he cannot get up, and faints, it is also incalculable | Makoto survives a fall, as he falls into garbage bags, Kyoko repeats the feat | Doubtful feat of Monaca bearing debris, she cannot get up afterwards due to the weight, even so, the feat is inconsistent because in the cinematic it seems to be in the center of the debris, and when I see it again it seems that it was just to one side, and even with that it did not receive all the impact of the debris due to the size | = 1or 3
9-A: Danganronpa explosion feat 3, faint = 1


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1 the mentioned bulldozer does not count, since being an execution it is most likely that it was planned to kill someone, in fact I think Junko should climb above the average person, most likely it is 9-B.
2 also did not make the explosion of class 77 because we do not know what the final result would have been, although as he said it was most likely 9-B.
3 or any of the aforementioned monokuma units, as they are consistently superior to the average human, although their attacks mostly fall on a somewhat low 9-B.
4 I did not put these explosions (1 | 2) since we do not know what level they are and they did not receive the explosion itself, they were sent flying and fainted, it is not a casual feat although most likely the damage that they received out 9-C or 9-B.
5 I didn't put the monokuma mask guys in, because we hardly see them.

That they are not casuals feats matters, because that means they shouldn't be too far from it.

Seriously, we accept verses which are a certain tier despite them not instantly one-shotting stuff which is supposed to take hundreds time less power to destroy it or them struggling at performing feats much below the tiering they're rated at, and now we do such for Danganronpa? What kind of double standard is this lmao.
Also stop looking for an enemy, stop saying that we make exceptions or that there are double standards, to begin with, I'm just here now, so don't say it as if it were a general.
Outliers and Pis exist for a reason, you are basically ignoring that, and that there are verses that have just been discounted even though they could do that.



by the way it is likely that it will take me a while to answer anything you say, I have things to do, both for school and personal situations.
 
I do not know how the rest of the verses are treated and I do not care, if your only argument is that others do it then I can do the same ... because those of Ace attorney are not 9-A if the explosion that Apollo endures is supposedly of that level
It's because AA has not that much Tier 9 feats comparted to DR iirc.
9-C: Nanami's Casual Feat, she faints
So you ignore that even Elixir said that it was from a drug?
why scale absolute fodders like kazuichi to komaru i don't get it
1) That's derail
2) It was already discussed in the deletion profiles thread, as long they can be indexed in a vs sense they can stay.
 
QuasiYuri and ElixirBlue:

So what do you think that we should do here?
I do agree someone like Kazuichi Soda is fodder compared Komaru Naegi, who the thread is for, but he would still scale to her for like what StrymULTRA said, both being stated as normal humans. Komaru especially would scale the entire verse that is not stated to be weaker than a normal human, since her being "normal" was her character type she was struggling with in the narrative.

I think the feat is good but in terms of scaling, looking at the calcs currently available on the verse page, 9-B is looking more solid, more than Chiaki's casual 9-C feat and 9-A for the "normal" cast.

I've added StrymULTRA's calc to the verse homepage, for future reference.
 
Thinking about it more, the villain’s plan in Danganronpa Another Episode, was to transform Komaru from ordinary to extraordinary, that’s why Komaru fought them like a video game. Don’t remember that details for what that means.

If that’s the case, end of Game Komaru would scale to the calc, but not normal Komaru that would scale to Soda, if the villain’s plan involve strengthening Komaru physically
 
Thinking about it more, the villain’s plan in Danganronpa Another Episode, was to transform Komaru from ordinary to extraordinary, that’s why Komaru fought them like a video game. Don’t remember that details for what that means.

If that’s the case, end of Game Komaru would scale to the calc, but not normal Komaru that would scale to Soda, if the villain’s plan involve strengthening Komaru physically
This is kinda of an interesting approach btw. Should this be a thing for "strong regular humans" like Mondo? Tho I kinda of disagree with this idea as DR kinda of treats 9-B as regular humans and 8-C as strong ones, as in DR verse it was always "either 9-B or 8-C" so adding a tiering in-between would mess with the scaling a lot.

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I do agree someone like Kazuichi Soda is fodder compared Komaru Naegi, who the thread is for, but he would still scale to her for like what StrymULTRA said, both being stated as normal humans. Komaru especially would scale the entire verse that is not stated to be weaker than a normal human, since her being "normal" was her character type she was struggling with in the narrative.
There's an issue here, Komaru in the end of UDG kinda of accepted to live with the idea of her never being an Ultimate like her brother, and just to be herself. Plus, all Komaru flights in UDG are with that gum, she could never be physically a match for the Monokuma units, despite being much weaker than the og one.
 
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Anyway, I am still not sure what we should do here exactly.
 
Anyway, I am still not sure what we should do here exactly.
I have no idea. I literally can't get if this should be applied as all the comments are about "consistency" where all the other feats are Tier 9, we're not talking about bumping them to Tier 7, but 9-A from 9-B, I literally don't get how this is outlier at all.
 
Okay. Please explain what happened in the feat in question.

Also, has the calculation been approved?
 
Okay. Please explain what happened in the feat in question.
In short, Toko and Komaru were about to fight some giant robots which were both close and around them, but then these robots explode, and from the outside we can see that the final explosion covers all the room's diameter. After an unknown amount of time we can see that the upper part of the tower collapsed and both Komaru and Toko get out from the debris felt over them and walk away with some scratches and dust on them. You can see it in the 2 links in the 1st part of the OP.

Also, has the calculation been approved?
Migue approved it in the comments.
 
Okay. That seems fine to me then. Who do others here disagree with it?
 
Okay. I hope that they will clarify further then.
 
Plus, all Komaru flights in UDG are with that gum, she could never be physically a match for the Monokuma units, despite being much weaker than the og one

I have a question about the scaling:

With Toko already at 8-C durability, doesn't Komaru scale to Genocider from their fight from Another Episode? As far as I can tell, its the only fight Komaru looses clothes in.
 
I have a question about the scaling:

With Toko already at 8-C durability, doesn't Komaru scale to Genocider from their fight from Another Episode? As far as I can tell, its the only fight Komaru looses clothes in.
That's pretty much game mechanics tbh, as there they couldn't share the hearts bar, so they had to use the clothes for it. Also it's pretty clear the physical difference between them in the rest of ALL the game: Komaru has to use the gun to deal with Monokumas even in Future Arc, Genocide can physically brawl with them. Komaru was NEVER shown to be able to fight the Monokumas without the gun.
 
Again, Chiaki and Teruteru fainted from the drug. Its why she has "Limited resistance to drugs" to even move to preform the punch.
I forgot to put it, and it is more difficult to realize that you forgot to put something when you first have to write it in an English translator and then pass it on to the discussion
 
This is basically going nowhere, can we make a "9-B, likely 9-A" and just go over with this? This thread is dying.
 
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