Major Danganronpa upgrades (Hopes Peak Saga and POTENTIALLY V3 Saga)

[Thebadtimetrio32]

I haven't made a revision in quite a while, In fact it's 2 months away from being a year! I had recently gotten a specific calc checked for the verse and decided to not only make a CRT about it, but also dive into the scaling of V3 and see what can be changed since I believed this could potentially be related.

The feat of a some average characters tanking an explosion from a Mukuro Impersonator got recalculated to 0.29 Tons of TNT, which is actually very consistent with the 0.24 Tons of TNT that they currently scale to alongside the 0.25 Tons of TNT certain characters upscale from to get to 8-C, except this would actually upgrade every 9-A+ character to 8-C due to characters like Makoto who is completely average is noted to scale to this specific Misaki that took the explosion on his profile, and Ruruka should be nothing special and currently rides on the current 9-A+ value from Teruteru like every other character.

Now what about V3? This is a Hopes Peak revision, so why is V3 involved? Well while taking with a friend out of site about inverse of Danganronpa, I remembered why V3 even has the value it has now.

Due to this thread, it was accepted that the rocket ship that evaporated Jin that was calculated at 0.068 Tons of TNT would also be used for V3 as the executions between the very first game and the one used on Kaito Momota in Danganronpa V3 were nearly one to one with the same premise, the rocket heating and deheating the exact same way, it being referred to as a second ignition, V3 literally meant to be Tsumugi's perfect copy to the original series and some more but these were the most relevant points. I bring this up because I believe that although the feat was calculated at 0.068 Tons of TNT, it should be acknowledged that the feat was done to a character who should scale to the average value in the Hopes Peak Arc. If Mondo's execution can scale to Large Town level due to liquidifying him into butter, then I believe the space off execution can scale to Building level based on evaporating Jin, and it being granted that Kaito tanked the exact same one from THH, it should be fair to assume that Kaito, and anyone who scaled to the ship feat in the first place, would heavily upscale to 0.29 Ton value.

This would fix the issue that weaker end characters such as Chihiro is somehow outstating and one shotting really strong characters like Gonta, and while it won't put characters like Maki comparable to Akane like Danganronpa S would suggest, it would at least be solid evidence that the strongest characters in V3 aren't weaker than characters they straight up shouldn't be weaker than.

Quick TL;DR

1. Characters such as Makoto Naegi, and anyone else who scales or upscales from him (practically everyone in the verse lol) who don't have a higher tier than 8-C already get upgraded to 0.29 Tons of TNT, this includes all of the 9-A+ and 8-C characters in the series
2. Top and God tiers of V3 (Kaito, Kokichi, Maki, Tenko, Gonta and Kirumi) would all scale far above the new value for the Hopes Peak tiers due to the already accepted Blast Off feat, except instead of using the calculated version it's using the feat that it evaporated Jin's body who should scale to Makoto Naegi

 

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For the Killer Killer Feat

The explosion existed to facilitate escape. The villain hates murder, and it's only afterward that he endangers the lives of non-murderers (when he plants bombs throughout the country and says they will explode in 24 hours unless someone kills Misaki Asano, demonstrating that everyone is a potential murderer and therefore unpleasant to him).
This is what the place looks like after the explosion.
For this last point, he put a collar on Asano. If there had been any attempt to kill her with the explosion, this wouldn't make sense. Worse, as the calculation itself shows, Asano and Ruruka (our reason for scaling this to the rest of the verse) weren't harmed at all, and the only thing that happened to everyone was that they were coughing from the released smoke.
Meanwhile, Ikusaba's corpses are scattered everywhere, both at the entrance and around Asano, but the important thing is that only one bomb exploded; it could have been any of them.
Furthermore, when the rest of the Future Association members fight against White Killer Killer, we see a large area of ground without any corpses (a huge inconsistency, but it tells us that it can't be any Ikusaba next to them)..

In short, we shouldn't be using this feat for scaling.
If anyone wants to investigate this, read watch chapters 9, 10, and 11 (if you want to see the 24-hour bomb threat) of Danganronpa Killer Killer.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

For the Killer Killer Feat

The explosion existed to facilitate escape. The villain hates murder, and it's only afterward that he endangers the lives of non-murderers (when he plants bombs throughout the country and says they will explode in 24 hours unless someone kills Misaki Asano, demonstrating that everyone is a potential murderer and therefore unpleasant to him).
This is what the place looks like after the explosion.
For this last point, he put a collar on Asano. If there had been any attempt to kill her with the explosion, this wouldn't make sense. Worse, as the calculation itself shows, Asano and Ruruka (our reason for scaling this to the rest of the verse) weren't harmed at all, and the only thing that happened to everyone was that they were coughing from the released smoke.
Meanwhile, Ikusaba's corpses are scattered everywhere, both at the entrance and around Asano, but the important thing is that only one bomb exploded; it could have been any of them.
Furthermore, when the rest of the Future Association members fight against White Killer Killer, we see a large area of ground without any corpses (a huge inconsistency, but it tells us that it can't be any Ikusaba next to them)..

In short, we shouldn't be using this feat for scaling.
If anyone wants to investigate this, read watch chapters 9, 10, and 11 (if you want to see the 24-hour bomb threat) of Danganronpa Killer Killer.

Are you saying that the pressure feels way too high? I think there’s a way to calc the explosion with lower pressure albeit it’ll be 9-B asf lol. Did it actually destroy a wall or nah?

And what about the V3 stuff? I would say even if 8-C stuff is disregarded, V3 cast would get a pretty massive upgrade through upscaling due to the current 9-A+ scaling

 

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Are you saying that the pressure feels way too high? I think there’s a way to calc the explosion with lower pressure albeit it’ll be 9-B asf lol.

In summary, I'm saying that the intention wasn't to kill them, and since the explosion could have been on any of the Ikusaba corpses (but only one), and we don't see any signs of damage near the characters (or on them), we can't say that they were even close enough to the explosion to be harmed.

Did it actually destroy a wall or nah?

Yes, you can see pieces of wall in the explosion itself

And what about the V3 stuff? I would say even if 8-C stuff is disregarded, V3 cast would get a pretty massive upgrade through upscaling due to the current 9-A+ scaling

I don't remember much about V3, so I don't know.
But it depends on whether it's consistent with the rest of the V3 stats.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

In summary, I'm saying that the intention wasn't to kill them, and since the explosion could have been on any of the Ikusaba corpses (but only one), and we don't see any signs of damage near the characters (or on them), we can't say that they were even close enough to the explosion to be harmed.

Yes, you can see pieces of wall in the explosion itself

Okay I properly looked at the scans you showed me. I think they're all close enough to the end of the building thus how the explosion reached the wall, assuming the explosion expands omnidirectional at the same distance on each side, I'd retcon with how close everyone is that Ruruka at least got hit by being in one half of the explosion, especially with how much smoke is beyond them, unless the characters were somehow like over 15 meters away which I suppose isn't impossible? although I don't think the others who charged the bad guy would've been 15 meters away. I WILL admit that using this line of reasoning would heavily downgrade the calc, as we would have to apply ISL due to how far we would have to assume they would be to even scale.

Although this isn't really the first time Danganronpa characters have been seemingly unaffected by explosions, so I wouldn't use no damage as a point. I do think I would probably recalculate it for ISL though.

I don't remember much about V3, so I don't know.
But it depends on whether it's consistent with the rest of the V3 stats.

V3 upscaling from Jin was technically always accepted, the line of scaling was just "Oh yeah Kaito tanked the energy to vaporize a regular human which was Small Building", but that human was someone who scales to 9-A+ at least and genuine fodders of V3 have 9-A calcs that were 0.02 Tons of TNT. I think the consistency is fine.

 

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Danganronpa characters have been seemingly unaffected by explosions,

I'm pretty sure that in the first two, the characters were knocked unconscious by the explosion (Hajime says he lost consciousness even though he wasn't hit by the explosion). Add to that the fact that in Despair Girl, Komaru is knocked unconscious by two explosions that don't even touch her (in phone now, so only timestanps: 51 - 9:47 ), and that in Danganronpa 1, Fukawa was hit by the explosion from Ikusaba's body and was left in bad shape; the only one where there's no effect at all is Teruteru's.

But in general, the average human in Danganronpa is affected by smaller explosions and even by their shockwaves.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

I'm pretty sure that in the first two, the characters were knocked unconscious by the explosion (Hajime says he lost consciousness even though he wasn't hit by the explosion). Add to that the fact that in Despair Girl, Komaru is knocked unconscious by two explosions that don't even touch her (in phone now, so only timestanps: 51 - 9:47 ), and that in Danganronpa 1, Fukawa was hit by the explosion from Ikusaba's body and was left in bad shape; the only one where there's no effect at all is Teruteru's.

The Komaru and Toko one not exactly. As shown here, although they're shown getting up (Likely due to the entire floor collapsing onto them), they don't have any burn marks or any wound suggesting they were that affected or even burned by the explosion. For the DR2 one, admittedly that one is pretty inconsistent and I should have put more thought into it before using it as evidence. However, Kaizuichi, who was point blank, was thrown away but he nor Fuyuhiko, who was the second closest to the explosion, seemed harmed or affected by it at all. Nagito, who was closer to the explosion than Hajime and as close as Akane, also quickly crashes out and is unaffected. Although Hajime goes unconscious and Akane seems harmed by it, characters who were the farthest from it by far. I'm fine with conceding that it could potentially be used as evidence towards explosions meaning stuff, but it can also be used as evidence against them meaning stuff.

I haven't played UDG in a hot minute, so I forgot the context to UDG scan number 1. But I think the ironic part about Scan number 2 is that it directly references the Ikusaba explosion, but Makoto and Hiro were around the same distance away as Komaru and while Makoto had almost passed out, he had been quickly snapped back into his senses by Byakuya who was unaffected, and Hiro seemed unaffected too (You don't see Byakuya in the CG but during the closing argument we see that both Byakuya and Aoi are near the explosion as well). UDG episode also only having them stand up due to a floor falling on them adds onto that irony imo. Flip a coin if Killer Killer writes their characters to be unaffected by explosions far from them, I guess?