Dandadan - Speed standard

[Second22]

Introduction​

This thread will discuss the speed of Dandadan with a statement from Turbo Granny, which says that Turbo Granny has a speed of only 100 km/h. However, there are many feats in the story that show speeds much greater than 100 km/h. This thread will focus on whether the discussion should prioritize statements > feats or feats > statements.

Statements​

• Chapter 3
• Chapter 7
• Chapter 94
• Volume 1 Extra page

Feats​

I will only include feats that I see with clear numbers or ones that are easy to visualize. Additional ones can be added as needed.

• Dalesean027's Calculation
• Tsuchinoko burrowed into the ground to escape the Evil Eye. - Since Tsuchinoko has a length of up to 2000 meters, which is now accepted, it burrows underground in just 1 to 2 panels. According to the standard of taking only 3 seconds, it would be approximately 666.666667 m/s
• Evil Eye reactions to the electricity from Tsuchinoko. - I'm not sure about the exact number, but it should be useful.
• The normal speed of Evil Eye's cursed ball. - The speed of Evil Eye's ball should be faster than the maximum speed a football player can kick, since Evil Eye is superhuman.
• Monkey Speed
• A giant character that can run or fight normally. Typically, when calculating the speed of a giant character, the resulting speed is very high.
• Count Saint-Germain speed

And many more. The combat in this story consistently involves speeds greater than 100 km/h, so it’s up for debate how this should be handled.

Vote​

Statements > Feats:
Feats > Statements:

 

[Second22]

I can add additional more feats. Please let me know.

 

[Damage3245]

Strictly speaking not all feats are necessarily going to be in conflict with the 100 km/hr statement even if they have a higher value. Like the Tsuchinoko estimate of 666.666667 m/s doesn't really matter because its speed is never compared to Okarun's Turbo-Granny mode or Turbo-Granny herself.

 

[Robo432343]

why can't we accept the fact that Turbo Granny is just simply wrong about her speed being 100km/h given everything shown above

 

[Phsccarvalho]

why can't we accept the fact that Turbo Granny is just simply wrong about her speed being 100km/h

Man, she couldn't follow a train because it was a little faster than 100km/h.

 

[Robo432343]

Man, she couldn't follow a train because it was a little faster than 100km/h.

ah

varies rating then?

 

[Agnaa]

Damage's issue should be accounted for; only feats relevant to that anti-feat should be included.

Really, I think this thread was made way too early. You should not list a few and then go "Additional ones can be added as needed", you should find the relevant feats FIRST and then make the thread second.

It's completely unproductive for me to go "Well, it seems like there's only three relevant and reliable feats which go above 100 km/h, and there's four statements establishing that limit, so the anti-feats win out", only for another 6 relevant feats to be found later.

 

[Ezaru]

This seems similar to the CW Flash, where he is constantly stated to be like low Mach speeds, despite clearly dodging bullets so easily, having entire episodes in the course of a nuke exploding, running around the entire world, running to China, reacting to lightning, and multiple light speed feats

However, I don't know if this is as consistent about it's inconsistency, I think you would need more than just a few calcs and would need some blatantly obvious feats

 

[Second22]

Damage's issue should be accounted for; only feats relevant to that anti-feat should be included.

Really, I think this thread was made way too early. You should not list a few and then go "Additional ones can be added as needed", you should find the relevant feats FIRST and then make the thread second.

It's completely unproductive for me to go "Well, it seems like there's only three relevant and reliable feats which go above 100 km/h, and there's four statements establishing that limit, so the anti-feats win out", only for another 6 relevant feats to be found later.

I might have started the thread too early because I think that, even with clear calculations, there are speeds exceeding 100 km/h throughout the entire series. So I don’t see an issue with the exact numbers. It’s not difficult; we just need to calculate and add them here, as this is a discussion thread, not a thread for making an immediate decision.

 

[Agnaa]

as this is a discussion thread, not a thread for making an immediate decision.

This is in the CRT subforum.

 

[Robo432343]

I think you would need more than just a few calcs and would need some blatantly obvious feats

i mean OP just linked 6 pretty good feats

 

[Damage3245]

i mean OP just linked 6 pretty good feats

Not really, for the reason I explained above.

 

[Ezaru]

i mean OP just linked 6 pretty good feats

Yeah, it's just that with CW flash, the feats are pretty blatant, like, literally outrunning multiple bullets, moving faster than lightning, running to China, entering a portal in fempto seconds

Where as it seems like most of the stuff in the OP needs a calc (not that it means that isn't legit, just harder to prove imo)

But I admit I did just take a quick look, I am more familiar with CW Flash than DanDan (never seen it)

The electric one looks the most "solid" without needing pixel calcing and stuff, but idk how natural it is

 

[Second22]

I mean, it’s better than sitting and discussing in a thread that isn’t even about this topic in the first place.

This is in the CRT subforum.

You can change its category if you want.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Is there any evidence the TG can't go faster or that it refers to both combat and travel speed? Or that no-balls man can't get faster than the granny?

I'm not familiar with the verse but these limitations don't necessarily have to cap everything to 100 km/h

 

[Second22]

Is there any evidence the TG can't go faster or that it refers to both combat and travel speed? Or that no-balls man can't get faster than the granny?

I'm not familiar with the verse but these limitations don't necessarily have to cap everything to 100 km/h

Okarun’s all-out is using his full speed (100 km/hr) and power; it’s impossible to distinguish between combat speed and travel speed.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okarun’s all-out is using his full speed (100 km/hr) and power; it’s impossible to distinguish between combat speed and travel speed.

So he canonically can't go higher?
Well that really is a conundrum

 

[Second22]

Waiting for the side that believes feats > statements to provide more arguments, because I’ve agreed with statements > feats from the beginning.

 

[Second22]

So he canonically can't go higher?
Well that really is a conundrum

Actually, he can go higher than that through his astral body, but it’s still not related to combat speed.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So he canonically can't go higher?
Well that really is a conundrum

Canonically no. It was discussed about dividing travel and combat speed in another topic.

But Orakun uses this 100km speed in his strongest/fastest attack, and basically no one avoids it.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Actually, he can go higher than that through his astral body, but it’s still not related to combat speed.

Hmm.
Is the anime considered canon? I feel like if the anime is canon and gives us a feat with an actual measurable timeframe that contradicts the 100kmph value then we can safely conclude the feats should be superior.

I'd be more on the side of feats normally but the fact that the feats currently NEED an assumed timeframe means the actual contradiction is currently our assumption, not necessarily the feat itself.

 

[Agnaa]

Waiting for the side that believes feats > statements to provide more arguments, because I’ve agreed with statements > feats from the beginning.

Because we should go with whichever side has the most backing based on consistency, weighted by reliability and narrative importance.

Plus there can be statements which are feats, and there can be anti-feats which are displayed without accompanying text.

There isn't a strong dichotomy between the two.

 

[Second22]

Because we should go with whichever side has the most backing based on consistency, weighted by reliability and narrative importance.

Plus there can be statements which are feats, and there can be anti-feats which are displayed without accompanying text.

There isn't a strong dichotomy between the two.

I’m not sure which feats would be more important than a statement saying 100 km/h. The key point is that the author didn’t consider power scaling as much. We can’t rely on feats that are shown through images or movements, like Sumo in the early part of the story, where he’s depicted as being over 10 m tall, but in reality, he’s only 3 m tall. There are many instances where the author’s portrayal doesn’t make sense, especially regarding the size of characters. Even scaling itself becomes difficult, so it’s hard to distinguish between feats and anti-feats.

 

[Dalesean027]

Why was this already made we just said we gotta gather feats first im the last one

reality, he’s only 3 m tall

Maybe it was an anime only line but they said the sumo seems to be much bigger than 3m unlike the legend and also even then why would we take the 3m tall legend over how it looks in reality

 

[Second22]

Why was this already made we just said we gotta gather feats first im the last one

This thread is for compiling feats and discussion.

Maybe it was an anime only line but they said the sumo seems to be much bigger than 3m unlike the legend and also even then why would we take the 3m tall legend over how it looks in reality

Volume 2

Volume 2 is the second volume of Yukinobu Tatsu's Dandadan. Okarun, a high school boy obsessed with supernatural phenomena, is cursed by Turbo Granny! Along with his classmate Momo Ayase, he challenges Turbo Granny to a game of tag as a means to lift the curse. If the two can stay out of her...

dandadan.fandom.com

 

[Second22]

Hey guys, just don’t overthink it. The examples I mentioned are just feats I think could be calculated. I’m not looking to make any decisions soon. Like I said, you can add more calculations or feats if needed. I don’t want to discuss this in this thread since it’s not the speed standard topic.

 

[Dalesean027]

This thread is for compiling feats and discussion.

Volume 2

Volume 2 is the second volume of Yukinobu Tatsu's Dandadan. Okarun, a high school boy obsessed with supernatural phenomena, is cursed by Turbo Granny! Along with his classmate Momo Ayase, he challenges Turbo Granny to a game of tag as a means to lift the curse. If the two can stay out of her...

dandadan.fandom.com

Honestly seeing this I'm thinking once more than it could just be its crouched height that's 3m as its mostly always in that position and would have been when it was seen as a legend before.

Something like this, and it being 3m like this would consistent with its actual bigger size too and I bet would come close to whatever I get if I calculated it on my own

 

[Second22]

Honestly seeing this I'm thinking once more than it could just be its crouched height that's 3m as its mostly always in that position and would have been when it was seen as a legend before.

Something like this, and it being 3m like this would consistent with its actual bigger size too and I bet would come close to whatever I get if I calculated it on my own

That’s just an example. There are many times when the size doesn’t make sense. I could gather more of them if I had the time. You should try reading this thread first.

 

[Second22]

This is obvious. Reiko is only 242 cm tall, but in this image, just her face is about the same size as Momo’s height. It shows that the artist didn’t pay attention to the character’s size details at all.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Strictly speaking not all feats are necessarily going to be in conflict with the 100 km/hr statement even if they have a higher value. Like the Tsuchinoko estimate of 666.666667 m/s doesn't really matter because its speed is never compared to Okarun's Turbo-Granny mode or Turbo-Granny herself.

But Granny scales above these feats. She is a toptier/godtier whos speed is always noted. If she can only move at 100km/h Tsuchinoko and Evil Eye are also capped

 

[Damage3245]

But Granny scales above these feats. She is a toptier/godtier whos speed is always noted. If she can only move at 100km/h Tsuchinoko and Evil Eye are also capped

Turbo-Granny is definitely not a God Tier. A God Tier is someone like Reiko Kashima. Unless you can provide a scan directly comparing her to the Tsuchinoko?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

A godtier, not the godtier. She is def one of the strongest characters in the manga. Probably in the top 5

Evil Eye/Jiji can intercept Tsuchinoko, block its lightning and even blitz it
Granny then says that Evil Eye is far slower than her, and after the training even Okarun could dogshit the Evil Eye in a mano a mano

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Okarun could dogshit the Evil Eye in a mano a mano

Funny that he managed to do it without the 100km/h, and that he can use it twice and not for long.

So Orakun surpassed Evil Eye in speed with > 100km/h

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yes, thats what said

 

[Second22]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that there’s no way a Tsuchinoko is faster than a Turbo Granny.

 

[Second22]

Even Jiji can dodge a Tsuchinoko’s attack.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

So far I think statement matter more.

Volume 1 extra stats that turbo granny is actually type of yokai and they Categorized by speed so 100km/h granny is not only her name but also core part of her identity.

later on in chapter 94 she also say that her real power is It is the ability to consistently be at 100km/hr anywhere. No matter what movement or place whether flying , swimming, jumping her speed will always be 100km/hr

This also backup by chasing scenes while train had to slow down to make a turn, but the turbo granny that made the same turn still had the same speed of 100 kilometers per hour.

From all those statements pretty clear to me that be consistent at 100km/hr is her core power and make sense that she can’t go above that.

This also make her almost always faster than most of characters because you can just say that other characters may have some moment that faster than her in short time but eventually they need to slow down while she can always maintain her top speed.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Count Saint-Germain speed

He one character that can be faster without breaking anything he can just already steal power from faster yokai.

 

[Second22]

I’m not sure if this will be a continuation of gathering feats or not, but I don’t think collecting almost all feats from an author who doesn’t consider the context of the story is worthwhile. I’m worried it will be slow and a waste of time. I mean, even if we calculate all the feats and they exceed 100 km/hr, will it actually be usable?

We might have to make this decision instead. Anyway, I think no feat can surpass the statement, but the statement won’t affect the attack speed from weapons or attacks unrelated to combat reaction speed or characters who are not directly influenced by Turbo Granny’s statement, like Sanjome or possibly some giant characters who can exceed 100 km/hr without affecting the story context.

However, there might be characters who can dodge attacks from weapons with speeds over 100 km/hr. That would count as aim-dodging or an outlier.

We should prioritize the clear numbers provided by the author over the movement illustrations in the manga, as the author doesn’t focus much on the details of power scaling.

I know it’s pretty bad, but there’s really nothing we can do. Go blam to Turbo Granny.

 

[Second22]

Honestly, it’s up to you all to decide. It’s not hard to understand. Simply put, the feats shown in the story definitely exceed 100 km/hr. Like There are characters who can even blitz, but the statement only mentions only 100 km/hr. It depends on what we choose to prioritize more.