Dandadan speeds (particle beams)

[Damage3245]

Turbo Granny loves showing off her speed and is easy to be taunted in a contest of speed, lying about her speed when she's confident in it wouldn't make sense.

Btw, there's the scene where Granny's chasing the train and Momo says she can't catch up yet her jumping lets her, would this not show that its mostly travel speed and not overall?

It's not jumping that lets Turbo-Granny catch up, it's the fact that the train isn't working at full speed all the time whereas Turbo-Granny can.

 

[Saqphire]

Turbo Granny loves showing off her speed and is easy to be taunted in a contest of speed, lying about her speed when she's confident in it wouldn't make sense.

Btw, there's the scene where Granny's chasing the train and Momo says she can't catch up yet her jumping lets her, would this not show that its mostly travel speed and not overall?

Kind of a double-edged sword; her boasting about her speed yet her not being above lying to her enemies to get ahead, and yes the train scene would show even further it's travel speed

 

[Dalesean027]

Just do both like this

Superhuman (100km/h), likely/possible Supersonic combat speed and reactions (Calcs and such)

This way neither is ignored

Again I believe this is the best case here so I'll ask other staff opinions. In my opinion we should list it like this and note that possibly is to denote the actual onscreen feats and speed scaling that would otherwise be weird under the 100kmh verse cap assumption

@Damage3245 @Agnaa @The_real_cal_howard @DMUA

Asking yall since yall have commented

 

[Arkenis]

It's not jumping that lets Turbo-Granny catch up, it's the fact that the train isn't working at full speed all the time whereas Turbo-Granny can.

Right I forgot about that. But that leads to an odd scale, Turbo's 100kph couldn't fully catch the train not at full speed and needed to increase her force to get to it.

 

[Damage3245]

Right I forgot about that. But that leads to an odd scale, Turbo's 100kph couldn't fully catch the train not at full speed and needed to increase her force to get to it.

No?

Here it's explained that the train is faster than her top speed.

Here Turbo-Granny manages to catch up because the train slowed down to be slower than her.

There's nothing odd here.

 

[Arkenis]

No?

Here it's explained that the train is faster than her top speed.

Here Turbo-Granny manages to catch up because the train slowed down to be slower than her.

There's nothing odd here.

Okay I rewatched, guess I just misremembered the scene.

 

[Saqphire]

Just do both like this
This way neither is ignored

Oh yeah I'm just gonna say that I'm in favour of this method, if we don't want to totally disregard the statement atleast

 

[Saqphire]

I think it’s best if we actually calculated the feats and see if they truly start to outweigh the statements by a ton. It could be a possibly rating.

I have the sumo alien feat off-site hencewhy I mentioned it, I'm sure the supporters of this CRT has similar calcs

 

[Second22]

I’m not quite sure about the use of ‘Possibly.’ Do we have a significant reason to use it? I don’t really understand the criteria for giving so much importance to feats if there’s already a clear statement. Also, I’m worried it could become problematic in the future because the scaling is already quite unusual.

 

[Dalesean027]

I’m not quite sure about the use of ‘Possibly.’ Do we have a significant reason to use it? I don’t really understand the criteria for giving so much importance to feats if there’s already a clear statement. Also, I’m worried it could become problematic in the future because the scaling is already quite unusual.

Just to note like this narrative speed, possibly (the consistent speed scale based on feats at whatever point in the story)

Its something that can just be noted like this due to the series very consistemtly having waaaay more feats higher than 100kmh than we have actual statements of it,

Note: Dandadan is noted and accepted as being extremely inconsistent speed wise. To the point where in the same scene within the same episode/chapter the speed showings will contradict themselves at times. It was determined here (link to this CRT) that the best way to represent the Dandadan's minimum accepted speed and maximum displayed speed anything else was considered arbitrary placement due to the inconsistencies within the series.

That way we aren't ignoring the narrative cap but still address that they consistently ALWAYS have much better feats than the 100kmh cap

 

[Second22]

I think someone should make a new thread and go into serious detail about what conflicts and what can or can’t be used. That way, we’ll have a clearer and be able to make better decisions.

 

[Arceus0x]

I am slowly but surely re-reading Dadandan so I'll post any findings. So far though (death worm arc) it ain't beyond 100kmh.
I am weirded out that the verse is only 8-C rn when there's an 8-A accepted feat in the verse page that scales to Momo.

 

[Dalesean027]

I am slowly but surely re-reading Dadandan so I'll post any findings. So far though (death worm arc) it ain't beyond 100kmh

The 2nd chapter literally has a subsonic feat he like perception blitzes the sumo guy from at least 10m away, the helicopter leg thing in chapter 6 is also blatantly subsonic too and I hope I don't need to explain why

But yeah the AP is a mess rn

 

[Second22]

I am slowly but surely re-reading Dadandan so I'll post any findings. So far though (death worm arc) it ain't beyond 100kmh.
I am weirded out that the verse is only 8-C rn when there's an 8-A accepted feat in the verse page that scales to Momo.

The 8-B Calc for the main character has been accepted, and I’m going to update it soon. As for 8-A, that’s currently for the Kaiju section in the verse.

 

[Dalesean027]

The 8-B Calc for the main character has been accepted, and I’m going to update it soon. As for 8-A, that’s currently for the Kaiju section in the verse.

why are we treating the cast like regular humans when not transformed they all have at least wall level feats themselves even when not transformed also momo's dura and ap gets amped after awakening she'd just be outright 8-B or whatever

 

[Second22]

why are we treating the cast like regular humans when not transformed they all have at least wall level feats themselves even when not transformed also momo's dura and ap gets amped after awakening she'd just be outright 8-B or whatever

Momo has high durability, as noted in her profile, but that’s unrelated to her AP.

 

[Second22]

• In Physically, she's scaling with Flat-Woods Monsters. She can endure multiple attackswithout relying on psychic powers. But she's scaling with that only in Durability since sometimes she couldn't deal with normal people when she didn't use her psychic powers. She was caught by 2 female students and tied her hands. Therefore, Attack Potency, Striking Strength, Lifting Strength would only be Normal Human.

 

[Arceus0x]

The 2nd chapter literally has a subsonic feat he like perception blitzes the sumo guy from at least 10m away, the helicopter leg thing in chapter 6 is also blatantly subsonic too and I hope I don't need to explain why

 

[Second22]

Tbh, these kinds of things should be discussed in the Discussion Thread. If this thread doesn’t have anything else, it should be closed.

 

[Dalesean027]

nah I definitely do but anyways its calculated at subsonic as said previously

Tbh, these kinds of things should be discussed in the Discussion Thread. If this thread doesn’t have anything else, it should be closed.

I don't mind

 

[Vzearr]

nah I definitely do but anyways its calculated at subsonic as said previously

Could you show the feat/calc?

 

[Dalesean027]

Could you show the feat/calc?

Dandadan Speed Calc compilation

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here's 3 so far, I'll add more as I go

 

[Arceus0x]

This could be decent.
This was done in one beat. It's hard to determine how fast the beat is but it seems 60-120 bpm seems to be the most common.
So 5 ~1m sidesteps and full torso 180s in 1-2 seconds or so.

 

[Arceus0x]

Could be slower cause Mozart bpm is 130-170 bpm

 

[Agnaa]

I think the solution's pretty simple. Count up every time the 100 km/h thing is stated (as well as every other anti-feat), and count up every feat that lands above that value.

If there's more feats above that value than anti-feats below, then the low-end is an outlier. If the evidence weighs the other way, the opposite is true.

I don't think a statement cap is particularly more reliable than demonstrated feats.

Other verses have this process complicated by anti-feats being at a ton of different levels, or some feats/anti-feats being especially plot important, but this case seems pretty simple of it just being one statement that's repeated a lot.

 

[Arceus0x]

I need to read on but as far as I've seen 100kmh statement was only relevant in the first arc and since then Okarun started training. I will tell you more as I read on but so far I haven't seen it mentioned again after the final Turbo Granny fight.

 

[Second22]

I need to read on but as far as I've seen 100kmh statement was only relevant in the first arc and since then Okarun started training. I will tell you more as I read on but so far I haven't seen it mentioned again after the final Turbo Granny fight.

No?

 

[Arceus0x]

No?

I said i am re-reading bruh

 

[Second22]

I said i am re-reading bruh

I’m just saying in advance, the 100 km/hr speed is still mentioned in the later arcs.

 

[Arceus0x]

Gonna be throwing in more stuff here

Spoiler: Missile dodging

 

[Arceus0x]

Spoiler: Jiji redirects missiles

 

[Arceus0x]

Spoiler: Jiji kamehameha's more missiles and a sniper shot

 

[Second22]

Dandadan - Speed standard

Introduction This thread will discuss the speed of Dandadan with a statement from Turbo Granny, which says that Turbo Granny has a speed of only 100 km/h. However, there are many feats in the story that show speeds much greater than 100 km/h. This thread will focus on whether the discussion...

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[Phsccarvalho]

simple of it just being one statement that's repeated a lot.

It is not simply a statement that is spoken and does not happen in the script.

Dalesean said that in chapter 2 there is a subsonic feat, but a little in the future the TG simply couldn't overtake a train simply because it was a little faster than its 100km/h.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think the solution's pretty simple. Count up every time the 100 km/h thing is stated (as well as every other anti-feat), and count up every feat that lands above that value.

If there's more feats above that value than anti-feats below, then the low-end is an outlier. If the evidence weighs the other way, the opposite is true.

I don't think a statement cap is particularly more reliable than demonstrated feats.

Other verses have this process complicated by anti-feats being at a ton of different levels, or some feats/anti-feats being especially plot important, but this case seems pretty simple of it just being one statement that's repeated a lot.

It stops being stated after Turbo Granny is defeated. Which is like chapter 7 out of 150+

 

[Arceus0x]

It stops being stated after Turbo Granny is defeated. Which is like chapter 7 out of 150+

it is stated again when Okarun does the astral projection thing in the alien invasion arc.

It is, however, stated by Turbo baba herself that it is "her power to run 100kmh anywhere" so I've been thinking it probably applies specifically to her rather than Okarun, whose power could differ significantly.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I don’t particularly like the 100 km/hr thing. I think it’s more an issue of the artist not having much knowledge about the speed of things. We should rely more on the statement than the calculation anyway.

When have we ever cared about that as VSBW? Jojo’s peaks at lightspeed via statements and lower end characters are far below that while everyone and their mother is triple digits FTL minimum. Wally West’s famous trillions c feat is outright stated to be 99% SoL in the comic. In One Piece, Kizaru’s light speed is unmatched but dudes have been scaling well lightspeed since the timeskip. Sonic’s stated speed is in his name and dude’s lightspeed on a bad day (in his defense though dude has a handful of lightspeed statements alongside that).

With Dandadan, using that cap, it requires Okarun to go all out when dude’s causally dodging Mr Mantis Shrimp’s punches, which are 80 km/h based off the irl creature, only slightly lower than him going all out, and just outright subsonic in the anime.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

When have we ever cared about that as VSBW? Jojo’s peaks at lightspeed via statements and lower end characters are far below that while everyone and their mother is triple digits FTL minimum. Wally West’s famous trillions c feat is outright stated to be 99% SoL in the comic. In One Piece, Kizaru’s light speed is unmatched but dudes have been scaling well lightspeed since the timeskip. Sonic’s stated speed is in his name and dude’s lightspeed on a bad day (in his defense though dude has a handful of lightspeed statements alongside that).

With Dandadan, using that cap, it requires Okarun to go all out when dude’s causally dodging Mr Mantis Shrimp’s punches, which are 80 km/h based off the irl creature, only slightly lower than him going all out, and just outright subsonic in the anime.

At least in Jojo I don't remember them limiting the speed of light, in fact the opposite. We have that declaration of SP faster than light, and some characters from part 4 surpassing Red Hot.

 

[Arkenis]

When have we ever cared about that as VSBW? Jojo’s peaks at lightspeed via statements and lower end characters are far below that while everyone and their mother is triple digits FTL minimum. Wally West’s famous trillions c feat is outright stated to be 99% SoL in the comic. In One Piece, Kizaru’s light speed is unmatched but dudes have been scaling well lightspeed since the timeskip. Sonic’s stated speed is in his name and dude’s lightspeed on a bad day (in his defense though dude has a handful of lightspeed statements alongside that).

With Dandadan, using that cap, it requires Okarun to go all out when dude’s causally dodging Mr Mantis Shrimp’s punches, which are 80 km/h based off the irl creature, only slightly lower than him going all out, and just outright subsonic in the anime.

It's more that the statements don't support the calcs. Jojo has no statements limiting majority of the verse, especially not the god tiers. DC's SOL is much higher than ours irl, pretty sure its normal that LS can be immeasurable at times so that's a whole different matter. Kizaru can accelerate beyond LS, and also others have reacted to LS. Sonic is just a name, its clear they didn't even want him to be only sonic speed in his old comics or games.

Though I think this is a bigger issue than just these examples or ddd since a lot of verses have feats or scaling being higher than the stated speed caps, something Black Clover is going through and JJK has gone through as well.