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Dabi Vs Gyomei

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TauanVictor said:
Right. Gyomei is now facing a temperature above what he can withstand and spam AoE of hundreds of meters, where even his Precog cannot help since it relies on the body vision of Dabi who is hundreds of meters away.
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Gyomei is blind and he relies more on his extraordinary sense of hearing and his Extrasensory Perception in this scenario. Transparent World still allows him to perceive the inner workings of Dabi's body despite his lack of sight.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Gyomei is blind and he relies more on his extraordinary sense of hearing and his Extrasensory Perception in this scenario. Transparent World still allows him to perceive the inner workings of Dabi's body despite his lack of sight.
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What is the range of Transparent World?
 
TauanVictor said:
What is the range of Transparent World?
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It should go as far as Gyomei can perceive since its ability to view into the bodies of people is a matter of the user's perception gaining that property.

I'd also like to tell the OP that I haven't actually voted yet.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
It should go as far as Gyomei can perceive since its ability to view into the bodies of people is a matter of the user's perception gaining that property.
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So, from the description, I don't think that helps. Dabi's blue flames are a quirk, and quirks in MHA are provided by an individual's genetics, Kai Chisaki treats them as a genetic mutation, so he had a plan to return humanity to its normal state.

Can Gyomei analyze someone's genetics during some fight and from hundreds of meters away? If not, he cannot sense the presence of Dabi's flames, only their temperature iirc.
 
TauanVictor said:
So, from the description, I don't think that helps. Dabi's blue flames are a quirk, and quirks in MHA are provided by an individual's genetics, Kai Chisaki treats them as a genetic mutation, so he had a plan to return humanity to its normal state.

Can Gyomei analyze someone's genetics during some fight and from hundreds of meters away? If not, he cannot sense the presence of Dabi's flames, only their temperature iirc.
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That would be needed to know that Dabi has a Quirk and and what sort of Quirk it is. Transparent World allows the user to assess thing like a person's health or how well-trained they are, so it should be perfectly possible for Gyomei to recognize if Dabi is preparing attack if he understands that Dabi can launch fire from his body which should become quickly clear for him. Also, even if Gyomei was unable to use Precognition against Dabi for whatever reason Transparent World slows down his perception of time to the point where everything is in slow motion for him.
 
TauanVictor said:
According to SBA, they are a few meters away. Dabi's attacks can hit everything around him.
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He's using Flashfire, he can't do that without Flashfire. Dabi has never been shown to cover himself in flames without using Flashfire.

Also Dabi doesn't attack people with hundreds of meters AOE flames, his attack size is always in response to the size of the person or attack he's using it on. Despite being able to throw out these attacks, he always uses small blast against normal people sized opponents. Which can and has been avoided by people.

It isn't in character for Dabi to instantly launch a giant fire blast that covers an entire city block against people. Not unless his opponent does a massive attack as well. For obvious reason Dabi doesn't want to burn himself too much and will only use what fire power is necessary. He has no reason to use big AOE attacks at the start.

Also Dabi isn't going to burn to death quickly. He is capable of fighting Geten, who can match his big fire, for over 7 minutes before Geten called out he was burning. Dabi won't be cooked by his own flames instantly. Dabi can launch multiple Flashfire attacks without burning, so he can use his normal less hot fire for longer.

If Dabi did launches a giant blast that Gyomei can't dodge or resist, then the fight is a stomp for Dabi. Since Gyomei would have no chance of winning in that case.
 
TheRustyOne said:
He's using Flashfire, he can't do that without Flashfire. Dabi has never been shown to cover himself in flames without using Flashfire.
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TheRustyOne said:
Also Dabi doesn't attack people with hundreds of meters AOE flames, his attack size is always in response to the size of the person or attack he's using it on. Despite being able to throw out these attacks, he always uses small blast against normal people sized opponents. Which can and has been avoided by people.

It isn't in character for Dabi to instantly launch a giant fire blast that covers an entire city block against people. Not unless his opponent does a massive attack as well. For obvious reason Dabi doesn't want to burn himself too much and will only use what fire power is necessary. He has no reason to use big AOE attacks at the start.
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Dabi has already sent an AoE in hundreds of meters to set a forest on fire and didn't seem to be very affected by it. In the context of this fight, Dabi will know he is fighting someone, so he can 1) approach the person to launch an attack and 2) immediately launch an AoE to burn whoever it is without the need to move. Which do you think is the more rational thought?

There is a fine line between being OoC and being dumb.

TheRustyOne said:
Also Dabi isn't going to burn to death quickly. He is capable of fighting Geten, who can match his big fire, for over 7 minutes before Geten called out he was burning. Dabi won't be cooked by his own flames instantly. Dabi can launch multiple Flashfire attacks without burning, so he can use his normal less hot fire for longer.
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Agreed.

TheRustyOne said:
If Dabi did launches a giant blast that Gyomei can't dodge or resist, then the fight is a stomp for Dabi. Since Gyomei would have no chance of winning in that case.
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Tbh the problem is not the explosion itself, but the temperature, since Gyomei has never faced such a hot temperature. He could be instantly severely burned just by getting close.
 
Dabi's forest flame was him burning a single tree and letting the fire spread. He is not constantly doing anything. Dabi is not covering his entire body in flames in any picture you posted, so I don't see your point period. He shot flames from his arm and there is some fire behind him.

It's out of character for Dabi to use a full body flame and giant AOE blast against a single people. As shown against Aizawa, Deku, Todoroki, Shoij, Hawks, and Kamui Woods and Midnight. He uses flames that don't even come close to hundreds of meters in size and can be dodged.

Dabi's blast on Machia's back is when he's trying to attack around a dozen different people, and was spread further by the forest catching fire. Against single people, Dabi doesn't instantly go all out with his flames. Unless you can provide a reason on why Dabi would use his big blast the very second Gyomei moves?

Though I admit Gyomei's fear manipulation or intimidating aura would probably freak Dabi out enough that he might actually use it if Gyomei got close. In which case the fight is a stomp, Gyomei has no chance of winning when he gets instantly burned to a char by a flame he can't avoid.

Dabi's attack don't explode either, he doesn't have explosion manipulation. Dabi and Endeavor's fire posses thrust, actual impact, which is why they can create shockwaves or propel themselves. Not because they have explosive properties.

What is the limit of Gyomei's jumping ability, how far can he jump?
 
TauanVictor said:
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Dabi has already sent an AoE in hundreds of meters to set a forest on fire and didn't seem to be very affected by it. In the context of this fight, Dabi will know he is fighting someone, so he can 1) approach the person to launch an attack and 2) immediately launch an AoE to burn whoever it is without the need to move. Which do you think is the more rational thought?

There is a fine line between being OoC and being dumb.


Agreed.


Tbh the problem is not the explosion itself, but the temperature, since Gyomei has never faced such a hot temperature. He could be instantly severely burned just by getting close.
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Do you think kaneki can beat dabi ignoring vsbattles wiki scaling
 
TauanVictor said:
According to SBA, they are a few meters away. Dabi's attacks can hit everything around him.

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Besides, up to what temperature can Gyomei withstand? Since blue fire is hotter than conventional fire in MHA, this becomes one thing, since Gyomei will be badly burned if he performs an approach.
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That panel is of Dabi using FlashFire. Regular Dabi without FlashFire only uses his flames from his hands so if you can dodge the fire blast like Aizawa (season 2), Shoji (season 2) and Geten (season 5) you won't take much damage. Plus the blue flames can be dispersed by shockwaves (Mirko - season 4/5).
 
Changing my vote to Gyomei FRA
Diablo_ said:
Yeah Gyomei has better chance to take this .(Restraining dabi,Making dabi's attacks miss him by distracting dabi with his chains and then he can just smash him down .Transparent world can be great factor here .

Even if some of Dabi's attacks hits Gyomei ,they probably won't do much against Gyomei .Demon slayer outfits have fire resistance .Not to mention Gyomei himself have it too .(Gyomei was literary standing above fire and said "While praying even fire feels like cold (air/Water )?")

Restraint flash fire wasn't a great move

Changing my vote : Gyomei wins
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TheRustyOne said:
Though I admit Gyomei's fear manipulation or intimidating aura would probably freak Dabi out enough that he might actually use it if Gyomei got close. In which case the fight is a stomp, Gyomei has no chance of winning when he gets instantly burned to a char by a flame he can't avoid.
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Yes, we can agree on this.
 
So should I close this thread then?
 
TheRustyOne said:
Though I admit Gyomei's fear manipulation or intimidating aura would probably freak Dabi out enough that he might actually use it if Gyomei got close. In which case the fight is a stomp, Gyomei has no chance of winning when he gets instantly burned to a char by a flame he can't avoid.
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