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D&D gods
- Thread starter Kaltias
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For the same reason annoying dog and chronos are High 2-A
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Not much of a D&D guy, only played some of the video games based in the setting and the rules, but yeah Ao's scaling seems a bit off. Also, at best Asgorath's justification would get "at least 2-A" for being possibly superior to The Lady of Pain, but the justification seems indecisive about that.
Also, sorry to derail a bit, but how come the Tarrasque is being scaled to high tier dragons based on the fact it does comparable damage with its bite to the breaths of top tier dragons? First of all, that sounds like game mechanics. Second of all, unless I'm mistaken, the only time it seems to be comparable in damage in either 3.5 or 5th editions is when it gets a critical hit, and even then it doesn't quite seem to hit the mark. Is there anything else supporting the ranking in some lorebook or story nobody knows about?
Also, sorry to derail a bit, but how come the Tarrasque is being scaled to high tier dragons based on the fact it does comparable damage with its bite to the breaths of top tier dragons? First of all, that sounds like game mechanics. Second of all, unless I'm mistaken, the only time it seems to be comparable in damage in either 3.5 or 5th editions is when it gets a critical hit, and even then it doesn't quite seem to hit the mark. Is there anything else supporting the ranking in some lorebook or story nobody knows about?
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Anyway, Aeyu might be able to help out here, if somebody asks him:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Aeyu
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Aeyu
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Ao is High 2-A because of what is stated at the bottom of this blog, which was used as a source during the making of Ao's page. Asgorath's page, on the other hand, was admittly made without this blog in mind explaining the weird tiering and because the page was protected I couldn't change it.
(Pardon my sudden appearence, I just saw this thread and thought, given I had wroten the pages for Ao, Asgorath, and several others, I should explain my reasonings for the current tiers)
(Pardon my sudden appearence, I just saw this thread and thought, given I had wroten the pages for Ao, Asgorath, and several others, I should explain my reasonings for the current tiers)
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Well.... if it was up to me, based off what knowledge I have, I would change and list the characters teiring as this.
- Asgorath would be "At least 2-A" (Forged the infinite multiverse, On par with Greater Dieties such as the Lady of Pain who was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that had damaged the multiverse)
-The Lady of Pain would be upgraded to "At least 2-A" (Repaired the multiverse and was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that had damaged the multiverse)
- Other primordials such as Dendar and greater dieties such as Grummsh should be "At least 2-A" (Comparable to those such as Asgorath)
and if it must, Ao would be downgraded to "At least 2-A, likely far higher" (Vastly superior to all other gods of the multiverse to the point where they follow his rules, including the Lady of Pain who repaired the multiverse and was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that damaged the multiverse)
Edit: I also side with Aeyu about Ao's tier considering what shes said, though if it must be changed, I won't oppose.
Apologies for the confusion I have brought up and hope I can help with the fixing of it.
- Asgorath would be "At least 2-A" (Forged the infinite multiverse, On par with Greater Dieties such as the Lady of Pain who was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that had damaged the multiverse)
-The Lady of Pain would be upgraded to "At least 2-A" (Repaired the multiverse and was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that had damaged the multiverse)
- Other primordials such as Dendar and greater dieties such as Grummsh should be "At least 2-A" (Comparable to those such as Asgorath)
and if it must, Ao would be downgraded to "At least 2-A, likely far higher" (Vastly superior to all other gods of the multiverse to the point where they follow his rules, including the Lady of Pain who repaired the multiverse and was immenslly stronger then Vecna, a being that damaged the multiverse)
Edit: I also side with Aeyu about Ao's tier considering what shes said, though if it must be changed, I won't oppose.
Apologies for the confusion I have brought up and hope I can help with the fixing of it.
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Generally speaking, I think that Ao is rated thus because he has been noted to exist at a level comparable to a being who transcends all of space and time, as well as being above all Realmspace, being well beyond the confines of the divine ranks and even alignment itself, and vastly above all the other gods combined. However, there's nothing to suggest that just because he transcends the multiverse, that he is anything beyond that. I generally understand the reasoning for the "At least," but it might be misleading, because his power did have limits, which were those of the Luminous being which existed beyond all things, though he said himself he serves no one. Personally, I think that he should be rated a solid High 2-A or Possibly High 2-A, and maybe we should drop the At least part. The rest should stay 2-A for reasons outlined above.
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Might I suggest High 2-A based off of this explanation or something similar:
High Multiverse level+ (As its Overgod, Ao is superior to, and exists beyond, the combined cosmology of the Realmspace. Transcends concepts like alignment and divine rank, and can influence the laws of the multiverse easily and handily, with no restrictions whatsoever. Pre-existing all of time and space, he is credited with the original creation of the cosmos in its complete entirety, and has total control over all its creations, including the gods, even when they exist in other realms. Completely unaffected by the actions of even the most powerful gods. Though he was originally stated to serve a higher being, he was later noted to serve no one.)
(Edit: I have have added rationales from my post below. Additionally, the above redtext non-link can be removed, but I or someone else should create the Luminous Being's page at some point, who would almost definitely receive a Low 1-C or possibly rating.)
High Multiverse level+ (As its Overgod, Ao is superior to, and exists beyond, the combined cosmology of the Realmspace. Transcends concepts like alignment and divine rank, and can influence the laws of the multiverse easily and handily, with no restrictions whatsoever. Pre-existing all of time and space, he is credited with the original creation of the cosmos in its complete entirety, and has total control over all its creations, including the gods, even when they exist in other realms. Completely unaffected by the actions of even the most powerful gods. Though he was originally stated to serve a higher being, he was later noted to serve no one.)
(Edit: I have have added rationales from my post below. Additionally, the above redtext non-link can be removed, but I or someone else should create the Luminous Being's page at some point, who would almost definitely receive a Low 1-C or possibly rating.)
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This could also factor into the decision, with the following, sourced text recognized:
Lord Ao created the crystal sphere that holds the world of Abeir-Toril4. After he created the crystal sphere, it was just an empty, gray, and misty void, a timeless place of nothingness that existed before light and darkness became two separate things. Out of this shadowy realm came the two beautiful twin goddesses: Sel├╗ne and Shar, goddess of light and goddess of darkness.
Lord Ao created the crystal sphere that holds the world of Abeir-Toril4. After he created the crystal sphere, it was just an empty, gray, and misty void, a timeless place of nothingness that existed before light and darkness became two separate things. Out of this shadowy realm came the two beautiful twin goddesses: Sel├╗ne and Shar, goddess of light and goddess of darkness.
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I apologize for this inconsistency.
Ao (Dungeons and Dragons) is the only one, and I will leave the rest to Kaltias, as stated above.
Ao (Dungeons and Dragons) is the only one, and I will leave the rest to Kaltias, as stated above.
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I have finished edits for the following pages, and am now requesting them to be locked:
Luminous Being (They are a Low 1-C and should get this by default)
Ao (Dungeons and Dragons)
Luminous Being (They are a Low 1-C and should get this by default)
Ao (Dungeons and Dragons)
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If not too late to make contributions...
1. About Asgorath/Io: Dragon Magazine 359 states that some believe Io is the creator of the Lady of Pain (s/he hatched her from a dabus egg, according to some theory).
2. I've made a compilation of feats for the Dawn War (the war between gods and primordials at the dawn of creation). You can check here.
1. About Asgorath/Io: Dragon Magazine 359 states that some believe Io is the creator of the Lady of Pain (s/he hatched her from a dabus egg, according to some theory).
2. I've made a compilation of feats for the Dawn War (the war between gods and primordials at the dawn of creation). You can check here.
