Cthulu Should be actually quantified

[ZacharyGrossman273]

My proposal? At least (can someone calc the level of energy to mind control every human on earth?) Likely 4-A (Destroyed several stars on it's way to earth) Possibly High 3-A+ (The geometry of Rl'yeh seemed wrong to humans)

 

[Promestein]

Controlling every human on earth is unquantifiable and doesn't necessarily take any energy.

Destroying multiple stars would just be 4-C, as it's not implied that he did it all at once.

Geometry doesn't necessarily need to be higher-dimensional to seem wrong to humans.

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with star level Cthulhu.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

1) Then "at least large building level through sheer size"

2) Large star level, as most stars are bigger than ours

3) What about "possibly far higher (scaling to other Great Old Ones)"

 

[Promestein]

1) Definitely too much of a lowball

2) We have to lowball in these cases.

3) Yeah, probably?

Azzy should be asked for input.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Cthulhu is already considered City via size alone. Building is way too low.

Beside, he'd be superior or at least comparable to his offspring, who is Low 6-B

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Cthulhu is already considered City via size alone. Building is way too low.
Beside, he'd be superior or at least comparable to his offspring, who is Low 6-B

How about "At least Low 6-B, likely High 4-C, possibly far higher?"

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I can see Low 6-B, Possibly 4-C Cthulhu

Would we be removing the possible Higher Dimensional Manip?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I can see Low 6-B, Possibly 4-C Cthulhu
Would we be removing the possible Higher Dimensional Manip?

No, as it's quite implied.

At least Low 6-B, likely 4-C, possibly far higher maybe?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It is? From what i saw the only implication is geometry that looks wrong to humans, which as Prom said doesnt necessarily mean it's higher dimensional.

That should work, but i'd wait for Azzy just to be safe.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Possibly far higher is also due scaling from other great old ones, who are up to 1-A

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Promestein, but somebody can place a message with a link to this thread on Azathoth's wall if he or she wishes.

 

[Reppuzan]

I've left a message on his wall. Hopefully he's not too bogged down to answer.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Cthulhu is...complicated, but here's a bit of clarification.

• Cthulhu is indeed implied to have destroyed a great number of stars. We don't know how he did it or if it was done with the other alien entities he came to our universe with, but we know that they caused a great number of stars to go supernova and die.

• Cthulhu should have higher-dimensional manipulation, but it's limited. R'lyeh is a city of geometry that is not possible to make by three-dimensional standards.

• Cthulhu scales to some lesser Great Old Ones, but he does not scale to the strongest, dimensionless and unrestricted ones. The same passage that states their power also states Cthulhu, while "related" to them (having similar origin and possibly "biology"), cannot truly see the fullest extent of their form or match their true power.

• As already noted, as a lowball, Cthulhu does indeed scale to Ythogtha (who is his spawn), who has a calc placing him at Small Country level.

Where do I personally think he should be placed? I'm not exactly sure, but I hope this helps.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Azathoth Question, is Cthulhu's Higher Dimensional Manip combat applicable?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Weekly

I don't know, as we never actually see him fight. We hear about his Star Spawn warring against the Elder Things, but Cthulhu's participation in said conflict is of an unknown degree.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Possibly far higher is how we should measure him

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think about "Possibly far higher" Azathoth?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Azathoth is quite objectively 0

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well, some others Great Old Ones are already "X level, possibly far higher", so I agree with this rating.

This should upgrade Atlach-Nacha also.

 

[Antvasima]

I meant Azathoth the bureaucrat.

 

[Ryukama]

I'm sorry but I am fine with just placing Cthulhu as "Unknown."

Low 6-B is seems too much of a lowball for him, the stars feat has very little clarification and could be anywhere from 4-C to 4-A, with no certainity. And from what Azzy is saying the higher dimensional stuff seems pretty vague.

I'd like such an iconic character to have a more decisive rating here, but it honestly seems like there's too little to work with.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Id let azzy make the last decision.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. It is up to Azathoth to decide.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I was and still am of the position that "Unknown" alongside listing his feats is currently the best option.

A proper tier is not out of the question in the future, but I don't see any reason for it, now.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Unknown, at least low 6B, likely 4C, possibly far higher?

 

[Antvasima]

@Azathoth Okay. This seems to be settled then.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Cthulhu is described in canon as a completely worthless Great Old One, it was only though popularity that later writers rose him to Outer God level through constant hyping and etc.

His best feats are the Star level stuff. I agree with "Unknown, At least Star level (Has destroyed entire stars)"

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[Ryukama]

Azathoth who we agreed has the final say in this has supported to keeping him Unknown. At least for now.

I think it's best to close the thread.