Crowley VS Harry Dresden

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Fair.

Should I count your vote for Dresden, then?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Yeah, I've never really seen a point to limiting the use of the Winter Mantel. From what we've seen of the books, it doesn't bump him up a tier or anything. I think I'm might vote Inconclusive here. Both seem to have a oneshot move that they are willing to pull off at the start. My only question is can Crowley's explody pointy move be blocked?

Also, if Dresden has the time to gather power, the Gravity magic is a oneshot too.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

From what I remember, I don't really think it can be blocked with anything. Nobody has any forcefields in Supernatural IIRC, but the move effectively obliterates you from the inside, so I don't think such a thing would stop it unless it were specifically designed to intercept something similar.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Yeah, looks like a crapshoot as to who oneshots first.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

^Gonna assume that's a vote for inconclusive.

Also bump.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I think I'll vote inconclusive actually.

Both have ways to instantly kill the other, and it's in character for both to do it.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Added. Two for inconclusive now.

 

[Nico-v11]

Is there anything that Dresden can do against Crowley's Biokinesis? I mean Crowley can just make him vomit blood to death or something along those lines

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Is there anything that Crowley can do against being flash frozen and shattered to pieces?

Like I said. Both have one-hit KOs

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Yeah, I've even asked friends who know the characters better, and they say it's a coin toss.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Ooooooooooooooooooh Mister Crowley, this is inconclusive

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

^I'll assume that's a FRA.

Three for inconclusive now.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Yeah, my b, forgot to say for reason above.

 

[Nico-v11]

I don't know why Crowley doesn't have in-corporeal on his list of powers. All demons in Supernatural are in-corporeal unless they are possessing a vessel.

So if Crowley's vessel gets too damaged or he fears dying he could just leave his vessel and posses Dresden.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Does Crowley die if his host dies? If so then that wouldn't matter, and were back to the Oneshot Coinflip.

 

[Nico-v11]

No Crowley does not die if the host dies......the host is probably already dead actually

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I very much doubt Crowley could possess Dresden.

Or if he isn't forced out immediately, he gets locked away in the back of Dresden's mind and over several years turns into a good guy and eventually sacrifices his existence to save Dresden's life.

And it's not like Dresden hasn't bound demons and spirits before. He summoned and contained the Erkling by sheer willpower.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

The only thing I have to say to that is Lash was just a shadow of a Fallen Angel, and the Fallen can't force themselves on mortals. That whole temptation chestnut. I don't know what Crowley is or if he has to abide by similar rules, though it doesn't sound like it. And I'm not saying Dresden couldn't fight him, but that thing with the Erlking was kind of a fluke. I'm pretty sure The Erlking could have broken out at any time. You know, the Erlking humoring that funny little mortal.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

You're mixing up Dresden defeating Erkling and Santa Claus during Cold Days (which was when they allowed themselves to be defeated), with Dresden binding Erkling during Dead Beat, which is when Erkling was actively trying to free himself so he could join the Wild Hunt.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I thought Erlking was only really bound by formality, like "You've summoned me mortal, what do you want. You've got like 10 seconds." Something like that, though I guess I could be mistakened.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Nah, the Erkling was being held in place by Dresden's willpower. He only broke free because Cowl or one of Kemmler's apprentices showed up.

 

[Nico-v11]

Voting inconclusive as there's no real way of knowing who kills the other first for now

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Four for inconclusive now.

 

[KinkiestSins]

Inconclusive for reasons above.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Five for inconclusive now.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Brump

I really wanna see this concluded.

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

Crowley now has Atomic level matter manipulation, that should make a difference here

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Not unless Crowley can recover from Dresden's Oneshot. Corwley's profile says his Regen is just Mid-Low, so I'm thinking not.

 

[The_Archdemon]

What is Dresden's One-shot based on?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Instant freeze then shattering is the only one I can think of right now.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Crowley would simply leave his vessel.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Can he do anything to Dresden if he jumps out?

 

[Nico-v11]

He could posses him or physically attack him (Demons out of vessels did so to Amara).

 

[The_Archdemon]

Yes. He demonstrated the power of Super Strenght and Technological Manipulation while in true for. Attacking Dresden in True Form would harm him very much. He harmed a Weakened Amara. He could also possesess Dresden.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If all he's got in true form is super strength, technological manipulation and possession, Dresden banishes him back to hell or traps him in a pot pretty easily

 

[Nico-v11]

Yeah if he gets frozen, probably not gonna happen

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Now mind you, I'm completely impartial here. But from my perspective, I don't see how "Dresden snaps his fingers and freezes Crowley" is somehow less likely to happen than "Crowley snaps his fingers and causes Dresden to explode".