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Wouldn't that be an issue of critical thinking instead? Things like "3-C Mindhax for Star Wars" are not uncommon because is understood that the galaxy is very much inhabited by life. But if you don't know enough, why wouldn't you ask?
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No, 5-B for AP is destroy a planet, to call the same something that affects a planet is not wrong from a certain point of view as there are no rules on the matter. Speaking of SW, at the time afair people never talked about the exact scale of that "3-C Mindhax", I once made a vsthread with a SW character with that and someone with Multi-Galactic mindhax resistance; people briefly thought the mindhax to do nothing because of course, and they needed to be told that the galaxy in SW had the overabundant population nowadays is more common to hear it has.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Wouldn't that be an issue of critical thinking instead? Things like "3-C Mindhax for Star Wars" are not uncommon because is understood that the galaxy is very much inhabited by life. But if you don't know enough, why wouldn't you ask?
Not if you're not lazy and specify the limitations of the range, but being responsable is apparently ask too much.Agnaa said:The sheer meaning of the word makes that not being misleading. Calling range with AP/Tier terms is what's meaning.
It's misleading because it means that some characters with a higher range actually have a smaller range than characters with a smaller range.
A character who can do as I described as above would be Multiversal+ but may be outranged by planetary characters.
I mean, yes, I can only disagree with it and it got further discussed because this stopped being a staff-only thread. When I started talking about it it was just to draw a comparison with how we now have range "in a AP way", to put it simply, and was I wrong? I don't think so, and think to be what matter of the slang thing.Agnaa said:Was this nobody's fault? People very much have fault in this, using that AP/Tier term to measure the scale of a hax is a broken thing to do. Needless to say, mindhax was just an example, Rick Sanchez was said to have "2-A Resurrection" at the time even by good admins.
It's shorthand. It's slang. Who cares? Those terms aren't even used on the profiles for ****'s sake, it's just used by people to casually/easily described it to each other.
I went over this fallacious reasoning over and over again. What can I say that it wouldn't just be a worst version of everything I said already? I don't think you read it, which is why you say that as if it were correct.Promestein said:The Tier 2 ranges are super misleading for characters that should be interdimensional. You could jump a thousand universes away, but Scion could still snipe you, but if you jump off the planet he can't.
I could be subtle to express how much I disagree with this but then you could insist on it, so instead I'm gonna ask a rhetorical question; We made stuff up and this proposes a new made up thing to be added with a + in it, how does that sound?ChemistKyle89 said:Could we add an Interdimensional+ to deal with the ability to be able to affect more than 2 universes on a limited scale? That would cover things like being able to create portals to multiple universes but being unable to affect the entirety of those universes.
This. I agree with this. I only suggested Interdimensional+ as an alternate if their wording isn't changed.Eficiente said:@Ant Yes, the stuff here was prematurely added and is still being discussed with contrived arguments so it should be put how it was before:
- Low Multiversal: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach two to one thousand 4-dimensional space-time continuums.
- Multiversal: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach over one thousand 4-dimensional space-time continuums.
- Multiversal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach an infinite amount of 4-dimensional space-time continuums.
I agree with this.Agnaa said:I'm not talking about laziness, I'm talking about how, with your proposal, the range page won't have ranges always increasing, which seems weird to me.
It still has range always increasing, but like always, the range of something can be done in odd ways. Like the example DDM gave with the sniper rifle, that has a lot of meters in range and it just goes in a straight line, while some grenade has less range and covers all of its own range. Saying that the granade has more range that the sniper rifle and that the sniper rifle has more range than the granade both make perfect sense from the point of view in which that's said. The explosion of the granade covers more than the bullet itself of the rifle, and the rifle reaches more than the granade.Agnaa said:Not if you're not lazy and specify the limitations of the range, but being responsable is apparently ask too much.I'm not talking about laziness, I'm talking about how, with your proposal, the range page won't have ranges always increasing, which seems weird to me.
I want range to be always increasing in a logical progression, with Interdimensional being a special modifier off to the side. Kind of like omnipresence with speed.
Lol, I am not going to use your "outranged" as in the meaning we are currently giving to the word, in the real meaning it getting outranged by smaller things makes perfect sense because Range are not limited to area of effect and ranges can have any shape and way to work. That on itself is not something that's wrong or needs to be fixed.
How does being outranged by a character with lower range make sense?
Emphasis in the "from the point of view in which that's said". In one way they are getting outranged, in other that's not the case. Sniper rifles and grenades don't have this issue, but what if they did, what if they were powers that can only be used in a specifically long range and not less than that?; They would still get measured with those specifically long ranges in profiles and they would get outranged by things can be used in shorter ranges.Agnaa said:This is what I mean by the range not always increasing, and a character being outranged by a character with lower range. Sniper rifles and grenades do not have this issue.
Attacks are able to reach anywhere within two to one thousand 4-dimensional space-time continuums |