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Cross-Dimensional Vs Low Multiversal Range

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So there have been plenty of discussions and debates regarding this topic. And one of the most commonly brought up verses is Dragon Ball, regarding Vice Shout, Kai Kai, ect. Many are debating if effecting both the real world and as well as a pocket reality outside the space-time continuum is Cross Dimensional or Low Multiversal. Other verses such as Castlevania, Bleach, The Legend of Zelda, and Metroid also have plenty of disputation on what it is.

Many are claiming that effecting multiple pocket realities that have separated bodies of space and/or alternate flows of time still qualifies as Low Multiversal range. Majin Buu is Low Multiversal with Vice Shout due to being able to break outside the RoSoT by tearing through space-time barriers. But that's been constantly changed back and forth between Cross Dimensional and Low Multiversal.

However, the Castlavania cast appear to have Low Multiversal range via effecting multiple At least 4-A sized pocket realities. And Samus can kill enemies with spatial intangibility via "Existing across two parallel dimensions at once." Where the AoE would need to also reach both parallel dimensions at once to hit them. And for her, it's simply cross dimensional rather than Low Multiversal.

So the question is, is Cross Dimensional Range a thing completely separate from Low Multiversal range? Or should we only give Low Multiversal range to characters who can actually reach other Universe sized Space-Time Continuums. We would need to update the range page accordingly and looks for examples of characters who are rated as Low Multiversal or Cross Dimensional. Because there are plenty of characters who can reach pocket realities, but are unable to reach beyond interplantary distances let alone Universal; but said characters would be rated as Low Multiversal implying they're beyond Universa in general.

IMO, Cross Dimensional range should be a thing, and is different from Low Multiversal. But I'm willing to discuss that.
 
My main problem is that would be a no-sense put at the same range both characters that can affect just parrallel dimensions under the same space time with characters that can affect different and isolated dimension/space time even if they are not universe size.

The feats are different and the second one, by far more complex.

In my opinion if the space-times are isolated and separated, the physical dimension of the dimension itself should be a no-factor since the charcahter displayed the ability to bypass isolated system, that is by far more complex than just cross dimensional that is applied to charachters that just shown the ability to affect parallel dimension.
 
You can ask other knowledgeable staff members to comment here if you wish.
 
imo , cross dimensionnal should be for those who can affect other dimensions that share the same space time .
 
I don't think 4 dimensional range is enough to have Low Multiversal range; especially if the range on the first 3 dimensions is no where near universal. Space-Time pocket realities are a thing and destroying multiple Space-time pocket realities isn't a 2-C feat, so reaching multiple space-time pocket realities doesn't sound like a range feat.

However, I'll ask some others to comment.
 
I think it shouldonly be based on seperate space-times. if they share either space or time then it should be cross-dimensional. if not, low-multiversal.
 
The way I see it, Low Multiversal range should only be given if the dimensions you have access to are universal in size and that you can effect the entirety of the spaces.

And cross dimensional range should be given just by accessing the different space-times, even if they aren't universe sized or if you cannot affect all of the space times as a whole.
 
Cross Dimensional range would be like being able to teleport between 2 separate space time continuum, or able to will the life away of a single individual on the same scale

Low Multiversal range would be an attack, or hax, that can affect 2 or more entire separate space time comtinuums

That's how I view. It's about "how much of the affected area was covered"
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
Cross Dimensional range would be like being able to teleport between 2 separate space time continuum, or able to will the life away of a single individual on the same scale
Low Multiversal range would be an attack, or hax, that can affect 2 or more entire separate space time comtinuums

That's how I view. It's about "how much of the affected area was covered"
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actually I agree with this.
 
So far, the majority seems to agree with the OP. But we can gather more input from other staff members.
 
TFW Cross-Dimensional range WAS a thing some time ago, but it was removed as a whole when Bayonetta was going through revisions
 
I believe it was because the afterlifes where considered Universes? But affecting multiple pocket realities regardless of whether or not they have nonlinear time is simply Cross-Dimensional. Low Multiversal should only apply if it's effecting two or more timelines.
 
So have you reached a conclusion here?
 
So far, most of the staff are for agreeing with bringing back Cross-Dimensional range and looking at various profiles such as Dragon Ball, Bleach, Castlevania, ect would simply have Cross-Dimensional range as opposed to Low Multiversal when effecting multiple pocket realities and/or the physical world + the Afterlife. And only stuff like effecting two or more Low 2-C structured universes at once will qualify as Low Multiversal range feats.

But I think we only have very little input so far and would prefer more input from others before we do anything. Brought it up in Vs Central, but it appears not many staff responded. Perhaps I could Highlight it.
 
I agree that Cross-Dimensional and Low Multiversal should be separated. Low Multi range should stay with Low Multi feats.
 
This is a good idea, Cross Dimensional should be above Universal+ in the range page and have something like this written as its requirement: "Attacks that are able to reach dimensions/realms/small universes while used from within real universes, or vice versa.", or something on those lines.

..We should also change the wording used in the page; We use range to measure any kind of techniques and non-attacks, not just attacks.
 
Maybe I should mention that some verses (naruto being an example) treat cross-dimensional teleportation as less impressive than universal range.
 
Cross-Dimensional is heavily case by case and kind of it's own category. But it does involving by passing spatial and possibly temporal barriers, but may or may not reach distances that are universal. But it's below multiversal for sure.
 
Is somebody willing to ask Sera EX and DontTalkDT to comment here?
 
I assume cross dimensional would also apply to things that can cross into full non pocket alternate universes and just can't apply all of it at once?
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
What if you were to watch over "a time period that shouldn't exist", which was the result of a bunch of space-time warping creatures?
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Totally not a specific verse named Tensura

That's Universal at the first glance.
 
Both Sera and DontTalk are both super busy, especially DT. But I do recall Sera mentioning that she agrees that Cross-Dimensional and Low Multiversal range are two different things.
 
To answer at The OP, i see no real problem with the Low Multiverse ranting only with the specific ability (like Vice Shout for DB cast), Low Multiversal by definition is at worst two different Time-Space, being able to travel throught different Space Time, no matter the size should grant Low Multiversal range with the said ability

Cross Dimensional should be used for characters who can travel throught different Dimension but aren't specified (due to a lack of feat) to be a different Time-Space (like 80% of the Dimensional travel used on this site)

EDIT: Thought it should be noted that Low Multiversal range in this case is mostly for "affecting" via travels throught the dimensions, i'am still iffy about other stuff like "destroying two different (but not universal) time space" should grant Low Multiversal range sinc this is nothing compared to a basic Low Multiversal range.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Both Sera and DontTalk are both super busy, especially DT. But I do recall Sera mentioning that she agrees that Cross-Dimensional and Low Multiversal range are two different things.
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Okay. This is probably fine to apply then.
 
I'm iffy with it being put in the range scale, since its hard to determine where exactly it lies. But bringing it back sounds good
 
I'm a bit confused. A lot of the thread was explicitly talking about pocket realities, but some other people were talking about being able to affect universe-sized space-times that aren't pocket realities.

Would both of these be put as Cross-Dimensional, or only the pocket reality one?

I ask because I'm working on a verse with characters who can do small-scale effects to hundreds of different timelines, but can't affect the entirety of those timelines at once.
 
Traveling to another Universe for example would be Low Multiversal via dimensional travel. But traveling from the universe to the RoSaT for instance would just be Cross Dimensional. Since RoSaT is simply a pocket reality where time is 360x faster.
 
Okay that seems odd. I thought low multiversal would be affecting the entirety of both, not just doing anything when the other one is big.

Like take Clairvoyant's clairvoyance. He's limited to the earth's atmosphere. He can also do this for all the earths in the multiverse, and these aren't exactly pocket realities. He's the type of thing I would think would swap to cross dimensional, but apparently he's multiversal still?
 
I mean being able to attack someone who exists and one universe would be Low Multiversal. Range doesn't have to be Omni-directional. But there are plenty of characters who can effect multiple pocket realities but can't really reach outside planet Earth within their own Universe. Hence why Cross-Dimensional range exists as opposed to just given everyone who "Crosses dimensions" or "Reaches other dimensions" Low Multiversal range. Those dimensions need to be alternate universes for that to apply.
 
I'd argue Cross Dimensional Range should be specified for each profile.

Like Wokistan's example, but I would write it like "Cross-Dimensional (Can use his clairvoyance throughout the multiverse, but is limited to the Earth's atmosphere for each universe.)"

Note how the first half of the explanation shows how far the ability goes, and the second part of the sentence explains the actual locations it works on.

That way it doesn't become a massive run-on stat like: "Cross-Dimensional across all of Earth's atmospheres throughout the Multiverse."
 
@DDM You kinda totally avoided my question....
 
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