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Cracker's Stupidity: Randall Flagg vs Rohan Kishibe
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Kool aid man saying oh yeah-0
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IDK, I'll ask around or wait for more people.
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Ok, I did a bit of looking at his profile again and it seems like his first play would be to read Rohan's mind, then act accordingly.
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Then I think Rohan wins by leading with Heaven's Door. MFTL+ reactions means Rohan will go first.
I wouldn't say it's a stomp, since if Rohan doesn't lead with Heaven's Door he dies in so many ways it's not even funny.
I wouldn't say it's a stomp, since if Rohan doesn't lead with Heaven's Door he dies in so many ways it's not even funny.
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Speeds equal in SBA, dude... I hope.
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Ok, I'll specify it just in case.
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its not in SBA. Idk how people just make stuff up...
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Ok but why isn't it part of SBa. Almost all the matches have it.
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because it isn't standard (and way too many matches use it when they shouldn't)
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I just want to point out that Flagg's mind reading is hilariously superior to Roland Deschai's mind reading, which allows the latter to see a person's thoughts before the person even realizes what they're thinking, and see their next move before they even realize they're moving. He can also access memories while mind-reading.
Anyway, what stops Flagg from just mindhaxing, transmuting, body-puppetting or "Stop breathing" him the moment he tries anything?
Anyway, what stops Flagg from just mindhaxing, transmuting, body-puppetting or "Stop breathing" him the moment he tries anything?
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What does he do to mind control?
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Not sure Rohan can exactly use Heaven's door to TKO someone with legit High 1-B Mindhax resistance (Scales from being fine with handling Marylin's Grapefruit, which is a psychic weapon able to deal quite a bit of damage to The Tower itself and drives normal people completely bonkers on contact)
Sure, he can open Randall's face, but, there's nothing stopping Randall from following up with "Stop Breathing"
Sure, he can open Randall's face, but, there's nothing stopping Randall from following up with "Stop Breathing"
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Its a who goes first scenario. Both have thought based powers that activate instantly. Either Randall bothers to read Rohan's memories first which causes HD to oneshot him or Randall doesn't bother reading and simply uses his hax in which case Rohan and Randall end up hitting each other. So its either Rohan or inconclusive.
Voting inconclusive.
Voting inconclusive.
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Also wanted to point out that Rohan's profile has a few missing abilities. Transmutation (into a book), limited power nullification (victim cannot use their abilities while HD's effect remains active), Memory Manipulation (for obvious reasons), limited Matter Manipulation (tearing out pages from the victim causes the victim to lose a proportionate amount of body mass along with the memories on the pages) and Death Manipulation (tearing out too many pages causes the victim to die from the effects of poor body weight, possible causes the victim to forget vital processes like breathing etc.). These are only his base abilities. Using the info manip, he can do a lot more.
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I'm pretty sure Powernull is more the fact Rohan mindhaxed Koichi into not being able to do anything to hurt Rohan in any way, not that it's a general rule that applies to Heaven's Door. Though anyone experiencing it would be TKOd... Unless they had absurd resistance like Flagg
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The victim isn't able to use their abilities. Otherwise, quite a few would've unleashed their Stands on him before he could write anything. If it didn't powernull, he wouldn't have tried to use it on Josuke while he was still far away.
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Josuke would have been knocked out like anyone else who got heaven's door applied for the first time, lest, that's likely what would have happened.
It's not like people in heaven's door without Rohan's workings can't use stands, otherwise the Janken kid wouldn't have been able to write "can hurt Rohan Kibishe" via, you guessed it, his portion of Rohan's stand which he's able to hold with his own stand.
Not to mention despite TKOing it's host, Bites the Dust still blew up Rohan, but, dunno if that's because it was Kira pulling the strings and Kota being a bystander ultimately.
It's not like people in heaven's door without Rohan's workings can't use stands, otherwise the Janken kid wouldn't have been able to write "can hurt Rohan Kibishe" via, you guessed it, his portion of Rohan's stand which he's able to hold with his own stand.
Not to mention despite TKOing it's host, Bites the Dust still blew up Rohan, but, dunno if that's because it was Kira pulling the strings and Kota being a bystander ultimately.
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Rohan can write on himself, so the Janken kid could too due to absorbing HD.
Kira was pulling the strings. The kid had nothing to do with it. Also, BtD was already in Rohan's skull so he was pointing at the wrong place.
In Jojo itself, there are very few characters that can face Rohan face to face. Most of the fights he wasn't doing well at were against opponents who weren't face to face with him.
Kira was pulling the strings. The kid had nothing to do with it. Also, BtD was already in Rohan's skull so he was pointing at the wrong place.
In Jojo itself, there are very few characters that can face Rohan face to face. Most of the fights he wasn't doing well at were against opponents who weren't face to face with him.
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Wouldn't Cheap Trick have gotten nullified if Rohan truely Nulls upon activating Heaven's Door, then? Despite getting writing ultimately on himself, Cheap Trick which at the time was also his non Heaven's Door stand
... Really there's no solid proof for either side, either he nulls and anyone with Heaven's Door resists or he doesn't, Rohan doesn't have enough screentime to really touch on it.
... Really there's no solid proof for either side, either he nulls and anyone with Heaven's Door resists or he doesn't, Rohan doesn't have enough screentime to really touch on it.
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With a couple of exceptions like GER and Love Train, the only way to beat Rohan is to outspeed ir outrang
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Rohan doesn't use mind manip tho.
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Book Transmutation turns people into books. Books aren't supposed to talk or think basically.DMUA said:
What does Randall open with btw? If he goes for mind read before mind haxing, he probably won't get the time to react to HD.
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Its enough to resist Transmutation to stomp Rohan.ThePixelKirby said:
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I mean, despite that, Koichi, Okuyasu and the other guy were able to talk and think for themselves just fine. The former of which is very dangerous for Rohan considering it means Randall would still have room to kill him and unturn into a book which... well, it's not really turning them into a book but I guess that's the closest to it.TacticalNuke002 said:
Either Transmutation or Stop breathing are the stuff he likes to use.
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This is Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, not BoS Rohan. BoS Rohan has ^ weakness. TSKR Rohan insta KOs as in causes victims to black out.
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Rohan's ability isn't mind manip tho. His victims can still think on their own unless Rohan specifically uses HD to mind manip.
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They really can't. Every time he has used it, his enemies have been unable to fight back. Even Koichi, back when he had to shove a page in their face, was unable to conjure up his Stand. And it's only got stronger since then. Now, it basically knocks them out cold.
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They can think own their own. It's just that their body won't follow due to HD's ability.
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