Continuing the tradition. Geralt speed downgrade

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok so what exactly is going on with his speed stat? The reasonings for his MHS+ are more than wrong, they're weird. Let's take them 1 by 1:

• Stated to attack with the speed and force of a lightning bolt.

That's flowery writing without any sort of feat.

• Can casually swat aside arrows at point-blank range.

That's not MHS+

• Can easily dodge sonic attacks from bruxae by simply rolling away from it.

Not only is this not MHS+, but this isn't even Speed Of Sound. He clearly starts rolling before the sound is released.

• Regularly fights against and consistently keeps up with enemies that can use natural lightning to attack, like Azar Javed, who used cloud-to-ground lightning to dodge an attack from Geralt

He did use a lightning from cloud-to-ground to dodge an attack from Geralt. And this scales to Geralt's speed how...?

• and the Djin, an Air Elemental which can manipulate entire storms with ease and also manipulate and generate natural lightning

The video linked just shows him attacking some weird cloud thingy, and holding down force fields to block lightning attacks. Not exactly a speed feat.

• and Geralt can even move away from its lightning attacks

And in that same video he's shown to be MASSIVELY slower than the lightning. He starts dodging way before a lightning attack is thrown at him.

• and parry them with his sword at close range, though at the cost of getting greatly staggered.

He starts moving for the parry before the lightning is thrown at him.

• Has repeatedly been stated to be able to move so fast that even the best of Nilfgaardian soldiers couldn't see him move, and was once stated to be able to cut 20 people down within the blink of an eye

Not MHS+. Iirc this is Subsonic at best.

So yeah. If he has nothing else to scale to, his speed should be subsonic from just these feats.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

What's up with people trying to downgrade a verse they literally know nothing about?

 

[M3X_2.0]

That's flowery writing without any sort of feat.

No, it isn't. A Witcher attack with the force of a lightning bolt, that's consistent with Geralt scaling to AT LEAST 0.4 tons, more or less what lightning has, and dodging multiple lightning bolts. Eskel even states lightning speed Witchers in game, so you are wrong.

The video linked just shows him attacking some weird cloud thingy, and holding down force fields to block lightning attacks. Not exactly a speed feat.

Do you even know what that "weird cloud thingy" is? The speed explanation say Geralt can fight and dodge attacks from a Djinn, the Djinn attacks using lightning. You don't even know what was that cloud, are you sure you know what are you talking about?

He starts moving for the parry before the lightning is thrown at him.

No, he doesn't. You can't prove that.

And in that same video he's shown to be MASSIVELY slower than the lightning. He starts dodging way before a lightning attack is thrown at him.

All MCU street characters shown to be massively slower than sound, but they can deflect bullets. But they still look like to be slower. That's not am argument.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Stated to attack with the speed and force of a lightning bolt. That's flowery writing without any sort of feat.

Especially with the tens of lightning feats in the series. bruh.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Him dealing with actual lightning is literally all that needs to be bring up.... That's how we treat most characters on this site. He defeated the Djinn and reacted to the attacks.

The weird cloudy thingy is a thing that summoned a High 6-A storm and grant wishes and move mountains. Do not underestimate Djinns, my friend.

 

[Wokistan]

That's flowery writing without any sort of feat. No, it isn't. A Witcher attack with the force of a lightning bolt, that's consistent with Geralt scaling to AT LEAST 0.4 tons, more or less what lightning has, and dodging multiple lightning bolts. Eskel even states lightning speed Witchers in game, so you are wrong.

It's still ultimately meaningless without being corroborated by other feats, which he's also arguing against.

The video linked just shows him attacking some weird cloud thingy, and holding down force fields to block lightning attacks. Not exactly a speed feat.

Do you even know what that "weird cloud thingy" is? The speed explanation say Geralt can fight and dodge attacks from a Djinn, the Djinn attacks using lightning. You don't even know what was that cloud, are you sure you know what are you talking about?

Bolts that small aren't going to be moving at MHS speeds, though. Fairly sure someone did a calc for smaller scale electrical movements and got results of like, supersonic.

He starts moving for the parry before the lightning is thrown at him.

No, he doesn't. You can't prove that.

He did go through the video at the lowest possible speed, if you can get it on youtube I can check it with a frame by frame viewer if you want.

And in that same video he's shown to be MASSIVELY slower than the lightning. He starts dodging way before a lightning attack is thrown at him.

All MCU street characters shown to be massively slower than sound, but they can deflect bullets. But they still look like to be slower. That's not am argument.

Well then maybe we should downgrade the MCU I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying here. MCU dudes not constantly running around at subsonic speeds is one thing, these are feats being used to say that geralt is moving at speeds comparable to the lightning bolt while his actual movement says otherwise.

I think the current MHS justifications are poor, but due to the whole forum move we probably shouldn't do this rn