Content Revision on Spider-Man (Marvel Comics)

[CreamyZoup]

So I want to revise Spider-Man regarding something called his "stress factor" because there's showings and statements in comics that show Peter has this ability.

In a guidebook, it talks about Spider-Man's strength and establishes a thing called "stress factor"

"Spider-Man can raise a couple of Cardillacs on a normal day. Add in the excitement of one of his typical battles, and his power level can shoot into uncharted territory. Over the years the web-slinger has been seen holding up multi-story buildings, freeing himself beneath from tons of debris, and flattening comically powered aliens"

Another instance of a statement like this would be here. For context the comic is talking about Spider-Man's powers to establish how they work.

Spider-Man Unmasked​

Comic stating Spider-Man's powers (Which would include his stress factor/willpower amp)

Now for instances of this happening:

We see Spider-Man fighting a Norman Osborn amped with the Carnage symbiote. We all know Peter is out of his own league when fighting Carnage as him and Venom were literally trashed in Carnage's first appearance.

The Amazing Spider-Man (2018) #31​

At first he was getting his ass kicked by a Norman Osborn amped with Carnage. But under extreme stress and determination he straight up BODIES him.

This ability of his could even date back in the 60s. With the thoughts of Spider-Man's mental strength and thoughts from his friends and family. He lifts an amount of debris which he states that it must outweigh a locomotive.

The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #32​

The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #33​

In Amazing Spider-Man #365, Lizard traps Spider-Man under heavy debris, and Spider-Man while injured, was able to lift it off his back.

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The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #274​

Breaks out of Zarathos' illusions

NOTE: I'M NOT SAYING SPIDER-MAN SCALES TO ZARATHOS AND SPIDER-MAN HURTING ZARATHOS IS AN OUTLIER. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF WHAT JUSTIFIES PETER'S STRESS FACTOR REVISION.

I can go on and, I mean ON but these are some of the feats I gathered

Edit: Also how I'd edit the page it'd go like this: Large Building level, higher with stress factor.

Kind of like that

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we have already rated Spider-Man with much of his stress factor (inconsistencies between different writers and stories) factored in, with the exception of the most extreme outliers such as knocking out Firelord.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

While I can see him becoming somewhat higher with stress factor, I agree the most extreme examples are outlierish. But I think his High 8-C and Class M feats are more or less done with stress factor; if anything, he could be much weaker without stress factor. Though stress factor also reminds me it could be buffs to his speed however. Normally he is within the same ballpark as Captain America without Stress Factor, but power and speed grow till it far exceeds him. We used to use Massively Hypersonic feats in his profile for example.

 

[CreamyZoup]

I think that we have already rated Spider-Man with much of his stress factor (inconsistencies between different writers and stories) factored in, with the exception of the most extreme outliers such as knocking out Firelord.

I'm aware of that but the point is that it should be added to his profile saying "Large Building level, higher with stress factor" or at least add it to his power/abilities because it's clearly stated and the scans I showed.

Something like this would work:

Large Building level (Took a Large Building hit), higher with stress factor (Bodied a Norman Osborn Carnage while under stress factor/lots of willpower or something along those lines).

It would make sense to add this ability or in other words "Supernatural Willpower", especially with the Carnage one considering Spidey could never beat Carnage under normal condition's and it was his stress factor which helped him defeat Norman amped by Carnage

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I stated, I think that we already rate him at his usual stressed out levels.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Well, as I stated, I think that we already rate him at his usual stressed out levels.

I believe the OP is proposing we also include his peak stressed out levels, where he can fight High 8-C+ characters like Carnage.

In which case, I see no issue.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Based on the OP, I'm pretty sure Spider-Man would qualify for "Awakened Power", since he's able to exert greater strength via determination.

There is also another common sub-ability, which is called Awakened Power. It is a sudden burst of power triggered by sheer determination or a powerful emotion.

 

[Excellence616]

Yeah, i agree with OP but we need to note how much powerful he can get with stress.

The Zarathos illusions should be a resistance.

 

[Antvasima]

I believe the OP is proposing we also include his peak stressed out levels, where he can fight High 8-C+ characters like Carnage.

In which case, I see no issue.

The issue is that it was specifically stated that he only reaches the skyscraper-supporting levels of power that we currently already rate him at when stressed out.

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, i agree with OP but we need to note how much powerful he can get with stress.

The Zarathos illusions should be a resistance.

Well, I think that he already has supernatural willpower, which this would likely be covered by.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The issue is that it was specifically stated that he only reaches the skyscraper-supporting levels of power that we currently already rate him at when stressed out.

Carnage's strength level is still within that range of power (Class M/Large Building level), so there'd be no contradiction from indexing that Spider-Man reach his level when under sufficient stress.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. It would likely mess up our scaling structures a lot if we rate Spider-Man as "9-A (Captain America's level), High 8-C with Awakened Power", as we do not generally use upper and lower maximum and minimum borders of power due to extreme writing inconsistencies for the other Marvel characters as far as I am aware.

 

[Omegabronic]

Hmm. It would likely mess up our scaling structures a lot if we rate Spider-Man as "9-A (Captain America's level), High 8-C with Awakened Power", as we do not generally use upper and lower maximum and minimum borders of power due to extreme writing inconsistencies for the other Marvel characters as far as I am aware.

but like.........in this case, there a canon explanation for Peter to be stronger than normal in some cases, how is this any different than, for example, Hulk's variable ratings?

 

[Baken384]

Agree. I have been looking for this type of statement for so long with Comics Spidey, this is excellent

 

[CreamyZoup]

Yeah, i agree with OP but we need to note how much powerful he can get with stress.

The Zarathos illusions should be a resistance.

Thank you there

Yeah I also wanna make note Spidey harming Zarathos is 100% an outlier, him showing resistance to his illusions isn't as there's showings of Spidey being resistant to Illusion Creation.

 

[CreamyZoup]

I believe the OP is proposing we also include his peak stressed out levels, where he can fight High 8-C+ characters like Carnage.

In which case, I see no issue.

Also exactly what I was saying in the CRT on Spider-Man. Thank you

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Da3ggman]

Bump

(Also I agree with the addition)

 

[Tahoy49574]

AP upgrade when ?

 

[Antvasima]

AP upgrade when ?

It would likely be a downgrade, and also likely mess up our scaling chains quite a lot.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Hmm. It would likely mess up our scaling structures a lot if we rate Spider-Man as "9-A (Captain America's level), High 8-C with Awakened Power", as we do not generally use upper and lower maximum and minimum borders of power due to extreme writing inconsistencies for the other Marvel characters as far as I am aware.

Captain America is not 9-A.

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Also, "9-A, High 8-C with Awakened Power" is not what's being proposed.

Edit: Also how I'd edit the page it'd go like this: Large Building level, higher with stress factor.

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This should be used to denote a character's weapons, techniques, or attributes that are much stronger than their base level, but still within the same tier.

This revision would not "mess up our scaling", as Spider-Man's tier would be unchanged.

 

[Antvasima]

But as far as I am aware, we currently scale Spider-Man from his feats when his stress factor has been in effect, so I think it would make his current power level an upper boundary.

 

[Tahoy49574]

It would likely be a downgrade, and also likely mess up our scaling chains quite a lot.

How so, last I knew Spider-Man characters are quite above the rest of street tiers
Also, can't we scale him from higher feats performed after the one he currently used ? He's been said to get stronger with age after all

 

[Antvasima]

Does he have any explicit energy output feats beyond what he is currently scaled from? It seems very unreliable to scale him from fighting characters far outside of his weight class, such as the Hulk and Firelord.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Does he have any explicit energy output feats beyond what he is currently scaled from? It seems very unreliable to scale him from fighting characters far outside of his weight class, such as the Hulk and Firelord.

At risk of derailing the thread, he's fought the Emissary, a villain of his own, who has a storm creation feat

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but is the Emissary as powerful physically as he is with weather manipulation?