Composite Human edits 2.0 (Matchup, defacto CRT, optional additions, etc)

[Deleted member 11410]

The literal Merriam Webster Dictionary definition of a sixth sense: "power of perception like but not one of the five senses : a keen intuitive power". What the page refers to as the "sixth sense" is just a part of the other names the ability has, since being able to detect things that you can't normally, can be referred to a sixth sense in some cases. The page doesn't refer to "sixth sense" when it goes to talk about how it works, after saying "is the ability...". In addition, even if it did say that, the definition of a sixth sense, doesn't have to explicitly be supernatural. Devices can have perceptions like but not one of the 5 senses by detecting magnetic fields and using radar. And like I already explained, detecting magnetic fields, are what the ESP page would refer to as detecting energy signatures, and using radar is what the ESP page would refer to as detecting matter signatures.

• Some characters have completely new senses not possessed by humans, an example of this in real life is the ability of some animal species to sense magnetic fields.

The page also brings up being able to detect spirits and ghosts, things that normally count as ESP, as Enhanced Senses. The reason why the page points this out, is because characters who can see ghosts with their eyesight, simply have Enhanced Senses. But characters who can detect them have Extrasensory Perception. Technology detects things like magnetic fields, use radar, detect vibrations, etc, through various other mechanisms that aren't like the 5 senses.

Well, I don't have problem with Extrasensory Perception if Enhanced Senses needs to be explicit applied to living organisms.

But still with Sharks needs to be removed.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

how it isn't due to his diet? How it's exactly and passive digestion when he needed these items to be removed with surgeries? No person in the world can digest steel & many of his claims were debunked.

Pay attention: "There’s also a lot that can go wrong when consuming indigestible goods, including heavy metal poisoning and the possibility of tearing open parts of the body from its entrance to its exit, including the esophagus and gastrointestinal tract."

The same scan from the snopes should be the main source for the extra note for why lotito's feat's been removed.

• 1: Underpowered even with mineral oil and water (which are required for the digestion).
• 2: While the lengthy time for any positive and negative effect can be argued as irrelevant in terms of use, much of his feats needed break down some of the things he ate over the course of several days.

Well, I don't have problem with Extrasensory Perception if Enhanced Senses needs to be explicit applied to living organisms.

Huh, I wonder why the extra senses note isn't on the ESP page. Tech can have have ESP as a verdict. correct?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Pay attention: "There’s also a lot that can go wrong when consuming indigestible goods, including heavy metal poisoning and the possibility of tearing open parts of the body from its entrance to its exit, including the esophagus and gastrointestinal tract."

The same scan from the snopes should be the main source for the extra note for why lotito's feat's been removed.

• 1: Underpowered even with mineral oil and water (which are required for the digestion).
• 2: While the lengthy time for any positive and negative effect can be argued as irrelevant in terms of use, much of his feats needed break down some of the things he ate over the course of several days.

Yep.

Huh, I wonder why the extra senses note isn't on the ESP page. Tech can have have ESP as a verdict. correct?

Yeah, but I think it needs to be reworded. Anyways, I don't think Sharks should have it though.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

So conclusions:

• The LS page on JBW should be up-to-date to fit the current world record for deadlifts [501 kg]
• The max range of human tech is... unknown still? I decided to figure out the potential max range of the human race's stuff. And...
  • While there's technically no limit to how far electromagnetic radiation can travel, or any absolute limit, radio waves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. And visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY until it fades out, however, man-made lights are limited by distance and air particles. So why not the low-end rating: "At least '''Interstellar''', potentially '''higher''' (Radiowaves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. While electromagnetic radation technically doesn't have any limit to how far it can travel and visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY before it fades out, light is limited by distance and air particles.)"
• Iowa-class battleship hull downgraded to '''Building level''' via the ship's size, and the statement of protection against torpedoes is vague at best.
• Electricity absorption should be removed since anyone can do it, and the volts aren't impressive.
• Animal Manip's status on the profile's base abilities section is still there by technicallity.
• Passive Acid Manip/Peak Human Digestion is removed since it requires specific conditions that regular people/Lotito don't always have at hand, like cutting stuff into pieces, requiring oil+water to digest stuff, etc.
• ESP is for tech, not senses, so the profile's ESP and enhanced senses in both base and tech sections will be edited to reflect that.
• Resistances
  • 11K volts of electricity resistance is untruthful because it's too large? Wut? I would be swallowing the bitter pill if it weren't for this plot hole:
    • "To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village."
    • Like, 11K volts is unrealistic because it's too large is why DarlingAurora's trying to justify why she doesn't trust the source, am I correct. If that's the case... You can hammer me that amps are what kills, not volts into my headall you want, but how much volts would it take for her conclusions to still be consistent and still power an entire village?
• Empatic Manip resistance will be removed
• Fear Resistance should be limited
  • "The authors note that all of the other fear-inducing experiences that they tried generally involved external threats, with menaces like snakes or scary strangers that have to be sensed by organs like the eyes and the ears and indicate possible dangers. In contrast, carbon dioxide is detected as a sign of a threat coming from within the body— a lack of oxygen. Systems devoted to detecting internal states like lack of air may not rely on the amygdala to cause fear, utilizing other regions instead."
• Physical Possession is being attempted to be debunked, and now is at the front of being removed, or staying as possession negation, and the debate oddly stopped around here. How is personality swapping not possession negation? Personalities can swap control over your body at any stimulus, simply preventing that means you're rendering physical possession over the body useless.
• Sleep resistance will be downgraded into an energy exertion feat by guinness.
• Radiation Resistance will be downgraded as minor
• Drugs Resistance's only changes will be the removal of stat reduction. Though I think Andre the Giant's alcohol resistance feat should be in the feats list due to the extent of it.
• Air Manip will be having it's "limited" modifier
• Clairvoyance will be removed, cameras should be in the tech enhanced senses section. Though is digital eavesdropping w/ data collection in conjunction a notable ability for abilities like enhanced senses? You're effectively overhearing people in their daily lives and invading their privacy secretly.
• Levitation will stay, albeit limited. +jetpack!
• Purification (type 3) stays
• Retrocog is still on the profile by technicallity, though I have a Q&A thread on it if anyone is interested.
• Damage reduction stays, we may/may not need to clarify that the body armor humans have can reduce (the effectiveness of) damage.
• Particle Accelerators are a better justification for limited matter manip

Did I miss anything?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

• The max range of human tech is... unknown still? I decided to figure out the potential max range of the human race's stuff. And...
  • While there's technically no limit to how far electromagnetic radiation can travel, or any absolute limit, radio waves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. And visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY until it fades out, however, man-made lights are limited by distance and air particles. So why not the low-end rating: "At least '''Interstellar''', potentially '''higher''' (Radiowaves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. While electromagnetic radation technically doesn't have any limit to how far it can travel and visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY before it fades out, light is limited by distance and air particles.)"

That is just Light Speed from lasers.

• Resistances
• • 11K volts of electricity resistance is untruthful because it's too large? Wut? I would be swallowing the bitter pill if it weren't for this plot hole:
    • "To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village."
    • Like, 11K volts is unrealistic because it's too large is why DarlingAurora's trying to justify why she doesn't trust the source, am I correct. If that's the case... You can hammer me that amps are what kills, not volts into my headall you want, but how much volts would it take for her conclusions to still be consistent and still power an entire village?

I already say why volts are impressive at all, unless he is wet due to body resistence, what is impressive are the amps.

• Physical Possession is being attempted to be debunked, and now is at the front of being removed, or staying as possession negation, and the debate oddly stopped around here. How is personality swapping not possession negation? Personalities can swap control over your body at any stimulus, simply preventing that means you're rendering physical possession over the body useless.

Posession is to posess someone body & control them by inside out, personalities aren't accepted for this & rejected in multiple selves page.

• Levitation will stay, albeit limited. +jetpack!

I think fits better as "Pseudo-Flight" than Levitation, right?

• Retrocog is still on the profile by technicallity, though I have a Q&A thread on it if anyone is interested.

I still don't agree with it.

• Damage reduction stays, we may/may not need to clarify that the body armor humans have can reduce (the effectiveness of) damage.

Nope, armor are just an equipment and it's just durability.


I agree with everything else.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

That is just Light Speed from lasers.

? How? I stated the range of light, not their top speed. If that's the case, where did I say that light was "X m/s" speed?

I already say why volts are impressive at all, unless he is wet due to body resistence, what is impressive are the amps.

already implied to know amps are what kills countless times already. vvv
"You can hammer me that amps are what kills, not volts into my headall you want, but how much volts would it take for her conclusions to still be consistent and still power an entire village?"

And I already made the case that his skin can be mildly wet. It's india, a humid, and hot country. He would be sweating under those conditions.

Posession is to posess someone body & control them by inside out, personalities aren't accepted for this & rejected in multiple selves page.

You don't appear to understand the reasoning why possession negation is being advocated.

A ghost, or anything can use physical possession on a guy with a gatekeeper alter and be shoved at the back of their mind by the alter, only for the guy to regain control of their body.

The heart of multiple selves not having DID alone is that it's either minor, or detrimental and not actual helpful personalities. If even 1 personality has a useful use, that already negates the reasons for why multiple selves don't have DID on the multiple selves page.

Not to mention that possession negation isn't multiple selves. Are you making the false equivalency fallacy of treating possession negation here and multiple selves as the same ability? They both have different standards, and even if not having DID applies to both, the foundation for why DID doesn't count in the first place is still negated.

I think fits better as "Pseudo-Flight" than Levitation, right?

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• Restricted flight - A form of flight time-limited or restricted in the ability to maneuver freely (for example, levitation).

" Literally on the flight page. Also, jetpacks do fly.

Nope, armor are just an equipment and it's just durability.

Doesn't change the fact that I linked evidence of armor reducing the damage of bullets, swords, etc. The armor being equipment and durability doesn't contradict damage reduction, in fact, it's actually all 3 at once.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

? How? I stated the range of light, not their top speed. If that's the case, where did I say that light was "X m/s" speed?

What I mean is that light reach that far due to the speed of light, easy;; it's like giving an human 20km range due to walking.

already implied to know amps are what kills countless times already. vvv
"You can hammer me that amps are what kills, not volts into my headall you want, but how much volts would it take for her conclusions to still be consistent and still power an entire village?"

And I already made the case that his skin can be mildly wet. It's india, a humid, and hot country. He would be sweating under those conditions.

That is not an good argument, he needs to be stated as wet and not just assuming.

Also are you talking about the boy resisting some wires that doesn't have more than 200 volts?, because they never prove the 11k volts thing & people just debunked it on the comments.

You don't appear to understand the reasoning why possession negation is being advocated.

A ghost, or anything can use physical possession on a guy with a gatekeeper alter and be shoved at the back of their mind by the alter, only for the guy to regain control of their body.

The heart of multiple selves not having DID alone is that it's either minor, or detrimental and not actual helpful personalities. If even 1 personality has a useful use, that already negates the reasons for why multiple selves don't have DID on the multiple selves page.

Not to mention that possession negation isn't multiple selves. Are you making the false equivalency fallacy of treating possession negation here and multiple selves as the same ability? They both have different standards, and even if not having DID applies to both, the foundation for why DID doesn't count in the first place is still negated.

Nope, because the main reason that you give it is based on something already disproved on the wiki. DID is an psychological personality, so possesion would still work against regardless of it.

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• Restricted flight - A form of flight time-limited or restricted in the ability to maneuver freely (for example, levitation).

" Literally on the flight page. Also, jetpacks do fly.

Jetpack can fly, but in limited time so it's not levitation but flight.

Doesn't change the fact that I linked evidence of armor reducing the damage of bullets, swords, etc. The armor being equipment and durability doesn't contradict damage reduction, in fact, it's actually all 3 at once.

This is durability & the human doesn't reduce his own body damage by its own.

• Damage Reduction, also known as Damage Minimalization, is an ability to decrease and reduce the damage the target takes making them harder to defeat or destroy. The users of this ability are usually considered as tanks or hard-to-kill because of their potential to prolong the duration of the fight without any fatal damage.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Nope, because the main reason that you give it is based on something already disproved on the wiki. DID is an psychological personality, so possesion would still work against regardless of it.

False equivalence. 1 personality having an ability doesn't equal a bunch of other personalities that make DID a psychological personality.

And if the main reasons for why DID is disproved on the wiki are taken away, then the argument that DID is already disproved.

What I mean is that light reach that far due to the speed of light, easy;; it's like giving an human 20km range due to walking.

I already said that the light will fade due to distance and air. Why bother saying giving a human 20 km range when the light will already fade after an unknown distance?

Jetpack can fly, but in limited time so it's not levitation but flight.

Doesn't change the fact that hoverboards should still have levitation.

This is durability & the human doesn't reduce his own body damage by its own.

• Damage Reduction, also known as Damage Minimalization, is an ability to decrease and reduce the damage the target takes making them harder to defeat or destroy. The users of this ability are usually considered as tanks or hard-to-kill because of their potential to prolong the duration of the fight without any fatal damage.

The body armor already reduces the damage of piercing weapons, bullet body armor reduces bullet piercing damage to where it doesn't penetrate the body, same thing for medieval armor against swords.

That is not an good argument, he needs to be stated as wet and not just assuming.

Why would he needed to be stated as wet when he's already in conditions that would make him sweat?

The people that debunked 11K volts said the same stuff as you, and I already calced it to be higher. 11000/1000 ohms [sweaty skin] = 11 amps. That should be enough.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

False equivalence. 1 personality having an ability doesn't equal a bunch of other personalities that make DID a psychological personality.

And if the main reasons for why DID is disproved on the wiki are taken away, then the argument that DID is already disproved.

That's the reason of why I compare it with multiple selves. DID is just an psychological personality that has no cure, just because someone is able to control it doesn't mean you can break posession.

If you want DID to be an new ability you need to make an separate CRT, because it's pretty much debunked on the wiki.

I already said that the light will fade due to distance and air. Why bother saying giving a human 20 km range when the light will already fade after an unknown distance?

Then how is this intergalactic range?

Doesn't change the fact that hoverboards should still have levitation.

Levitation is not an separate ability, uh-hu

The body armor already reduces the damage of piercing weapons, bullet body armor reduces bullet piercing damage to where it doesn't penetrate the body, same thing for medieval armor against swords.

That's why exists durability in the wiki, damage reduction is an complete different thing.

Why would he needed to be stated as wet when he's already in conditions that would make him sweat?

The people that debunked 11K volts said the same stuff as you, and I already calced it to be higher. 11000/1000 ohms [sweaty skin] = 11 amps. That should be enough.

You need to prove it, no using just pure assumptions.

• 11K volts = False assumption, nobody prove that he tanked that much electricity
• No human can survive that much amps, so you need to send some proofs of that because he was only touching some wires.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Given its hot in that area, I feel like it's more of an assumption to assume his skin isn't slightly moisturized by traces of sweat.

Hoverboards having levitation seems obvious. It levitates like centimeters off the ground. Obviously not flight in the slightest, but still technically being able to not touch the ground.

Durability Negation states, "Damage Reduction, also known as Damage Minimalization, is an ability to decrease and reduce the damage the target takes making them harder to defeat or destroy... This is also different from Statistics Amplification because nothing of their statistics are actually amplified". The page just refers to dura negation as the ability to negate the damage something takes. Armor's explicit purpose is doing this. What is your own definition of Durability Negation? One of the examples on the Durability Negation page itself only has Durability Negation because a character's ropey skin reduces impacts on it, which is incredibly minimal on its own.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Given its hot in that area, I feel like it's more of an assumption to assume his skin isn't slightly moisturized by traces of sweat.

I'm talking about the false electricity, which is doubted by everyone on the source due to being unrealistic;; These wires are only 200 watts.

Hoverboards having levitation seems obvious. It levitates like centimeters off the ground. Obviously not flight in the slightest, but still technically being able to not touch the ground.

Ok, but it's redudant due to jetpacks.

Durability Negation states, "Damage Reduction, also known as Damage Minimalization, is an ability to decrease and reduce the damage the target takes making them harder to defeat or destroy... This is also different from Statistics Amplification because nothing of their statistics are actually amplified". The page just refers to dura negation as the ability to negate the damage something takes. Armor's explicit purpose is doing this. What is your own definition of Durability Negation? One of the examples on the Durability Negation page itself only has Durability Negation because a character's ropey skin reduces impacts on it, which is incredibly minimal on its own.

Nope, armors are made by materials which gives more durability, it's obvious and if you question it they would say the same: armors aren't an ability but pure durability.

 

[GarrixianXD]

This might be off-topic, but, I wanna thank you all for keeping JBW alive. Really appreciative.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

This might be off-topic, but, I wanna thank you all for keeping JBW alive. Really appreciative.

If we had more time for composites like composite human and tree, and meme profiles. We would definitely have more impact!

That's the reason of why I compare it with multiple selves. DID is just an psychological personality that has no cure, just because someone is able to control it doesn't mean you can break posession.

If you want DID to be an new ability you need to make an separate CRT, because it's pretty much debunked on the wiki.

1 personality being a gatekeeper alter isn't DID. That would be like saying DID has multiple DIDs because it has multiple personalities.

Then how is this intergalactic range?

/whoosh.

• While there's technically no limit to how far electromagnetic radiation can travel, or any absolute limit, radio waves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. And visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY until it fades out, however, man-made lights are limited by distance and air particles. So why not the low-end rating: "At least '''Interstellar''', potentially '''higher''' (Radiowaves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. While electromagnetic radation technically doesn't have any limit to how far it can travel and visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY before it fades out, light is limited by distance and air particles.)"

I'm talking about the false electricity, which is doubted by everyone on the source due to being unrealistic;; These wires are only 200 watts.

The reason the comments doubt the source as far as I remember and skimed would be the volts, not amps the boy is being exposed to. And the fact that 11K volts are powering an entire village makes the feat more realistic. If you can provide an explanation for how a pole can not be 11K volts and still power an entire village of effectively 500 houses equivalent, or explain within your logic how the village can be powered up, then the "bitter pill" here would have a stronger foundation to defend itself upon.

Also, I thought you said amps, not volts are the ones that kill. When did you say that watts killed? The fact that he exposed himself to a pole with 11K volts proves he withstood the amps within it. And where does the source say that the wires are 200 W?

Ok, but it's redudant due to jetpacks.

I thought you said jetpacks were limited flight, not levitation.

Nope, armors are made by materials which gives more durability, it's obvious and if you question it they would say the same: armors aren't an ability but pure durability.

The same materials armor are made off have been shown to reduce the piercing effectiveness of bullets or cutting weapons, reducing their potential damage. Armor can have durability and damage reduction at the same time. And how is this line of reasoning not like the metaphor "Apples and oranges can be fruits, but oranges aren't apples, so they logically can't also exist as fruits (on the same counter) without contradicting the orange's existance".

 

[Deleted member 11410]

1 personality being a gatekeeper alter isn't DID. That would be like saying DID has multiple DIDs because it has multiple personalities.

Idk what you mean, DID doesn't count as an resistance because it's psychological.

/whoosh.

• While there's technically no limit to how far electromagnetic radiation can travel, or any absolute limit, radio waves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. And visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY until it fades out, however, man-made lights are limited by distance and air particles. So why not the low-end rating: "At least '''Interstellar''', potentially '''higher''' (Radiowaves have traveled at least 100 LY from Earth. While electromagnetic radation technically doesn't have any limit to how far it can travel and visible light can potentially reach 15 GLY before it fades out, light is limited by distance and air particles.)"

Again this is due to time, usually range is 299,792,458 meters per second.

The reason the comments doubt the source as far as I remember and skimed would be the volts, not amps the boy is being exposed to. And the fact that 11K volts are powering an entire village makes the feat more realistic. If you can provide an explanation for how a pole can not be 11K volts and still power an entire village of effectively 500 houses equivalent, or explain within your logic how the village can be powered up, then the "bitter pill" here would have a stronger foundation to defend itself upon.

Also, I thought you said amps, not volts are the ones that kill. When did you say that watts killed? The fact that he exposed himself to a pole with 11K volts proves he withstood the amps within it. And where does the source say that the wires are 200 W?

• Human electricity insulator Deepak Jangra can apparently resist the same amount of voltage required to power 500 houses and even sit with his hands inside a tub of water along with naked live wires.

Normal wires are 120-240 volts, source is unknown by it's own.

I thought you said jetpacks were limited flight, not levitation.

Both are flight, but levitation it's an weak one.

The same materials armor are made off have been shown to reduce the piercing effectiveness of bullets or cutting weapons, reducing their potential damage. Armor can have durability and damage reduction at the same time. And how is this line of reasoning not like the metaphor "Apples and oranges can be fruits, but oranges aren't apples, so they logically can't also exist as fruits (on the same counter) without contradicting the orange's existance".

Nope, there no page in vsbw that confirms this claim. Damage Reduction means to reduce someone damage using effects and this like that, where it says about armor being the DR ability when it's pure durability??

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Idk what you mean, DID doesn't count as an resistance because it's psychological.

So is controlling someone's mind by entering it, which also is a psychological ability. Gatekeeper alters are able to prevent other and unwanted personalities out of control of the body, and thus, someone entering their mind would be prevented by the alter, I think is how it works.

Both are flight, but levitation it's an weak one.

I mean, yeah. Levitation is slightly pointless but who really cares just keep it on the profile :v

Nope, there no page in vsbw that confirms this claim. Damage Reduction means to reduce someone damage using effects and this like that, where it says about armor being the DR ability when it's pure durability??

The damage reduction page doesn't say anything about needing special effects. Read what I just said on the matter in my earlier reply. The page even gives examples where characters just having more resistant skin than usual qualifies for it, as shown by Goblin as a user of the power in the page.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

So is controlling someone's mind by entering it, which also is a psychological ability. Gatekeeper alters are able to prevent other and unwanted personalities out of control of the body, and thus, someone entering their mind would be prevented by the alter, I think is how it works.

As I say, the wiki rejects treating DID like an personality that co-inhabites the mind because it's something psychological. Someone who possess an mind does it by supernatural means, just preventing an personality that doesn't have their own control doesn't mean an human can stop possesion against their mind.

I mean, yeah. Levitation is slightly pointless but who really cares just keep it on the profile :v

So double flight or?

The damage reduction page doesn't say anything about needing special effects. Read what I just said on the matter in my earlier reply. The page even gives examples where characters just having more resistant skin than usual qualifies for it, as shown by Goblin as a user of the power in the page.

I want to know where you say about an armor giving damage reduction to anyone who wears it? That it's literally the definition of durability, reduces the bullet damage because it's pure durability.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

As I say, the wiki rejects treating DID like an personality that co-inhabites the mind because it's something psychological. Someone who possess an mind does it by supernatural means, just preventing an personality that doesn't have their own control doesn't mean an human can stop possesion against their mind.

The thing you're trying to debunk isn't DID with multiple personalities. You're trying to debunk one personality's ability.

Again this is due to time, usually range is 299,792,458 meters per second.

That's in a vacuum. 9/10, CH isn't going to project radiowaves in a vacuum. But considering that space is a near vacuum, the cirumstances should near that speed. The speed here doesn't change the fact that the range page doesn't state that how far an ability/attack can reach should be restricted to time. I'll give you an example to illustrate my point vvv.

Let's say hypothetically, the human race builds a planet-destroying laser in outer space to prepare for self-defense against invading aliens. The laser is powerful enough to destroy any planet with ease within a 100 LY radius, and yet, due to the speed of light as a limit, it would take years for the laser to reach it's destination. An ability/attack can have a large range and take ages for it to reach it's max range.

Human electricity insulator Deepak Jangra can apparently resist the same amount of voltage required to power 500 houses and even sit with his hands inside a tub of water along with naked live wires.

1: The events between taking 11K volts and sitting hands in a tub of water with wires are separate events.
2: How do you know it's apparent. Any feat can be visually seen and be argued to be apparent, and how come most of the feats we know in IRL animals aren't apparent and something else?

So double flight or?

Levitation and flight can be separate abilities.

I want to know where you say about an armor giving damage reduction to anyone who wears it? That it's literally the definition of durability, reduces the bullet damage because it's pure durability.

IDK if this claim is true. Beats me. vvv

One of the examples on the Durability Negation page itself only has Durability Negation because a character's ropey skin reduces impacts on it, which is incredibly minimal on its own.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

The thing you're trying to debunk isn't DID with multiple personalities. You're trying to debunk one personality's ability.

It's the same thing, the wiki treats it like something psychological so any supernatural posession breaks it.

If you don't agree with that standard, you can make an discussion for it(?).

That's in a vacuum. 9/10, CH isn't going to project radiowaves in a vacuum. But considering that space is a near vacuum, the cirumstances should near that speed. The speed here doesn't change the fact that the range page doesn't state that how far an ability/attack can reach should be restricted to time. I'll give you an example to illustrate my point vvv.

Let's say hypothetically, the human race builds a planet-destroying laser in outer space to prepare for self-defense against invading aliens. The laser is powerful enough to destroy any planet with ease within a 100 LY radius, and yet, due to the speed of light as a limit, it would take years for the laser to reach it's destination. An ability/attack can have a large range and take ages for it to reach it's max range.

1. First, laser doesn't have that much potency.
2. Second, in that time the human is already dead and the light will disappear in that much distance.

We are not science fiction, the laser can reach big distances in years. At best you can give Interplanetary range, uh-hu.

1: The events between taking 11K volts and sitting hands in a tub of water with wires are separate events.
2: How do you know it's apparent. Any feat can be visually seen and be argued to be apparent, and how come most of the feats we know in IRL animals aren't apparent and something else?

The page literally says that is apparent and doesn't have any proof of what they say? Why you think people says that is dubious?

In RL animals it's different because we have reliable statements, but that claim it's unrealistic by it's own because no-human can survive that exaggerated quantity of amps & the proof is doubtful.

Levitation and flight can be separate abilities.

They are not.

IDK if this claim is true. Beats me. vvv

Bad example because that works like an fantasy RPG.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

It's the same thing, the wiki treats it like something psychological so any supernatural posession breaks it.

If you don't agree with that standard, you can make an discussion for it(?).

False equivalency. Your reasoning doesn't change the fact that 1 personality having an ability isn't multiple personalities. 1 isn't many.

1. First, laser doesn't have that much potency.
2. Second, in that time the human is already dead and the light will disappear in that much distance.

If the laser has an available range that can destroy a planet within 100 LY, that would mean that it would still retain the potency to destroy a planet at even 90 LY. It's not going to be as effective at 110 LY

Even if your time argument is valid, it doesn't change the fact that the range page doesn't require time.

In RL animals it's different because we have reliable statements, but that claim it's unrealistic by it's own because no-human can survive that exaggerated quantity of amps & the proof is doubtful.

Also, you were the one that said that surviving 11 K volts and up is rare, not impossible. The boy is implied to touch the wire here: "To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village."

• Explain how a 240 Volt wire can power an entire village or how the boy apparently touched the wire. Just because a claim is exaggerated, doesn't mean it can't be true. We can die from drinking too much orange juice and for some reason, UFOs intrude and maybe hallucinate in our vision.

We literally have guinness WR say that human has survived 230 K volts (instance is around here too). Which means you're not just applying double standards by knowing that the boy exists alone.

Bad example because that works like an fantasy RPG.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a minor defense. If a defense skin in an RPG is minor and body armor is minor to where it's closely related to durability, but reduces piercing impacts, that would mean it's a good example.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Some argument frontlines be like: https://imgur.com/gallery/shoot-im-stuck-yeKFVWv

 

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False equivalency. Your reasoning doesn't change the fact that 1 personality having an ability isn't multiple personalities. 1 isn't many.

Sorry? The page posession is something supernatural, you need two separate minds to at least broke through it, not just resisting some psychological personalities that doesn't give nothing.

Again, if you don't agree with what the page says then create an separate thread for DID.

If the laser has an available range that can destroy a planet within 100 LY, that would mean that it would still retain the potency to destroy a planet at even 90 LY. It's not going to be as effective at 110 LY

Since when an RL laser can destroy an planet? It mostly useless at that range and by time CH is already dead by old age.

Even if your time argument is valid, it doesn't change the fact that the range page doesn't require time.

Nope, it works for nothing and it's like giving planetary range for an human that walks around the earth, makes no sense.

Btw, the human can't even control the laser shot because it would reach great distance at what time? Years?, redudant.

Also, you were the one that said that surviving 11 K volts and up is rare, not impossible. The boy is implied to touch the wire here: "To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village."

• Explain how a 240 Volt wire can power an entire village or how the boy apparently touched the wire. Just because a claim is exaggerated, doesn't mean it can't be true. We can die from drinking too much orange juice and for some reason, UFOs maybe hallucinate in our vision.

That why I say that the source isn't reliable, they can't prove that and touching high tension lines is not impressive (even birds can do it).

Many commenta say the same:

• So where does it show he withstood 11 Kva? There's no way anyone could withstand that. The demonstration he gives is entertaining, but the electrical system itself leaves a lot to be desired. Put a ground wire and attach it to his toe - make sure the other end is grounded, then touch the top of his head with a live conductor and a test meter showing the voltage reading - then I'll believe it. This poor kid needs to be stopped from doing the 11 Kva test - he will die - its as simple as that.

Why you think people doubt the source in the comments? And don't compare this with IRL feats because these statements are realistic per weight & size, while this is completely unrealistic with no-proof.

We literally have guinness WR say that human has survived 230 K volts (instance is around here too). Which means you're not just applying double standards by knowing that the boy exists alone.

• A news report of the event stated that he was "jolted through the air, and landed across the line", and though rescued by firemen, he sustained burns over 40% of his body and was completely paralyzed except for his eyelid

This is like giving Wall level to someone who survived real life falls.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a minor defense. If a defense skin in an RPG is minor and body armor is minor to where it's closely related to durability, but reduces piercing impacts, that would mean it's a good example.

That it's pure defense per videogame-like statistics, no way we can compare this with RL armors that are pure durability. For example we are going to give damage reduction to someone that is on an car? Because it resists bullets and these things? Nope, it's just durability.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

The page posession is something supernatural, you need two separate minds to at least broke through it, not just resisting some psychological personalities that doesn't give nothing.

We've been over this. Ability like possession technically don't say that it has to be supernatural even though it's a superpower. We have ESP via infared goggles in IRL accepted on the CH profile.

What makes the alter's ability distinct and useful is that it can prevent psychological personalities from controling the person. Even then, an ability that's psychological and needs at least 2 personalities, and is a part of DID, but gives something distinct and above average DID users should allow an ability. If a possession user has only shown possession potency on the level of a DID alter, then the gatekeeper alter can block the possession, as the alter isn't that restricted to alters at that point.

Nope, it works for nothing and it's like giving planetary range for an human that walks around the earth, makes no sense.

The difference between a laser that takes wayy longer than a human life time and a person that walks a bajilion miles. The laser extends from itself and is an actual attack while the legs of the person in your example don't extend a bajilion miles.

I'm not saying that travel distance like how far you can walk or a satelite can travel is an example of range, I'm saying how far a move/ability like a leg or a laser can extend is an example of distance. By your reasoning, bullets from guns shouldn't have range since they travel very far distances when they come from a gun's "shoot" attack. And no, I was refering to the laser as an example, not that it existed at all.

Why you think people doubt the source in the comments? And don't compare this with IRL feats because these statements are realistic per weight & size, while this is completely unrealistic with no-proof.

They doubt it because of the circumstances of the situation; he withstood volts, and he had a bit of moisture on his skin. And electricity is obiviously dangerous. And yet, it's implied he did withstand that amount of amps within the news article.

The reason why I gave the guinness feat of surviving albeit getting injured by 230 K volts wasn't to show that humans should be 9-B in durability. It was to show that by common sense, 11 K volts is far lower than 230 K volts and it shouldn't be that far off for the kid to withstand the amps from 11 K volts.

Not to mention that you're treating the feat as impossible than plausible.

For example we are going to give damage reduction to someone that is on an car? Because it resists bullets and these things? Nope, it's just durability.

Normal cars don't reduce damage of bullets. Armored cars do. It's a false equivalency to compare a normal car to stuff like bullet armor vests and armored cars.

 

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We've been over this. Ability like possession technically don't say that it has to be supernatural even though it's a superpower. We have ESP via infared goggles in IRL accepted on the CH profile.

ESP it's due to being not in biological senses, different cases.

How is posession not an supernatural ability though?, it's pretty explicit.

What makes the alter's ability distinct and useful is that it can prevent psychological personalities from controling the person. Even then, an ability that's psychological and needs at least 2 personalities, and is a part of DID, but gives something distinct and above average DID users should allow an ability. If a possession user has only shown possession potency on the level of a DID alter, then the gatekeeper alter can block the possession, as the alter isn't that restricted to alters at that point.

That's why is rejected, it's something psychological from our mind, it's not someone controlling the person or something like that.

The difference between a laser that takes wayy longer than a human life time and a person that walks a bajilion miles. The laser extends from itself and is an actual attack while the legs of the person in your example don't extend a bajilion miles.

The problem is that light doesn't have an travel limit in vacuum, so it doesn't have an limit. But the lasers decrease their power due to atmosphere and hitting things on the space, so it's impossible for it to maintain the potency in the first place before hitting something or be decreased by the own gas, so it doesn't work.

They doubt it because of the circumstances of the situation; he withstood volts, and he had a bit of moisture on his skin. And electricity is obiviously dangerous. And yet, it's implied he did withstand that amount of amps within the news article.

And they can't prove it, only based on claims. The source is very unreliable and many comments debunked it due to the position of pole, even the medics warned him and didn't found nothing wrong in his body.

• So where does it show he withstood 11 Kva? There's no way anyone could withstand that. The demonstration he gives is entertaining, but the electrical system itself leaves a lot to be desired. Put a ground wire and attach it to his toe - make sure the other end is grounded, then touch the top of his head with a live conductor and a test meter showing the voltage reading - then I'll believe it. This poor kid needs to be stopped from doing the 11 Kva test - he will die - its as simple as that.

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Not to mention that you're treating the feat as impossible than plausible.

Because it is, any amp on that level can stop your heart.

Normal cars don't reduce damage of bullets. Armored cars do. It's a false equivalency to compare a normal car to stuff like bullet armor vests and armored cars.

What? Engine part of the car can stop bullets, the armor is just durability since it's just layers of material.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

ESP it's due to being not in biological senses, different cases.

How is posession not an supernatural ability though?, it's pretty explicit.

I used ESP to show that an ability that's seemingly supernatural at first glance can be in IRL and not be supernatural. ESP exists nonsupernaturally and not in biological senses.

Cordecyps fungus does IRL possession over ants. That's proof that possession can be a superpower that doesn't have to be supernatural.

The problem is that light doesn't have an travel limit in vacuum, so it doesn't have an limit. But the lasers decrease their power due to atmosphere and hitting things on the space, so it's impossible for it to maintain the potency in the first place before hitting something or be decreased by the own gas, so it doesn't work.

Your reasoning implies that light does have a limit. And I already said that while light technically doesn't have a limit, I implied that factors like air and distance can decrease the potency of light. The "Hitting things" factor also proves you agree with the fact that the won't always extend to 15 GLY. That's why I proposed at least intergalactic via radio waves.

That's why is rejected, it's something psychological from our mind, it's not someone controlling the person or something like that.

DID is psychological, and yet, there's personality swapping. And it's heavily implied that the personalities swap control over the person's body through symptoms like memory loss and use of other names. It is something like physical possession while being psychological at the same time.

And they can't prove it, only based on claims. The source is very unreliable and many comments debunked it due to the position of pole, even the medics warned him and didn't found nothing wrong in his body.

How does the pole debunk the kid's feat? And wouldn't the fact that medics didn't find anything wrong strengthen the extent of his feat of withstanding the amount of amps that would've killed a regular person. Still sounds like a strong case to keep electricity resistance as long as there's a calc on amps.

And the source is from UK journalism that has rules and ethics.

What? Engine part of the car can stop bullets, the armor is just durability since it's just layers of material.

It can also be argued that the bullet proof vest and it's material reduces the penetration damage of bullets, and normal biological material like human skin can't stop bullets. Still seems like a good reasoning to keep damage reduction by body armor. And I find it ironic that the same page also says "reduce penetration". Same case for armored bullet resistant cars and it's material.

 

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I used ESP to show that an ability that's seemingly supernatural at first glance can be in IRL and not be supernatural. ESP exists nonsupernaturally and not in biological senses.

Yeah but that's an completely different case.

Cordecyps fungus does IRL possession over ants. That's proof that possession can be a superpower that doesn't have to be supernatural.

How resist an psychological personality equals to an mushroom controling your mind? All of this is rejected on the wiki.

Your reasoning implies that light does have a limit. And I already said that while light technically doesn't have a limit, I implied that factors like air and distance can decrease the potency of light. The "Hitting things" factor also proves you agree with the fact that the won't always extend to 15 GLY. That's why I proposed at least intergalactic via radio waves.

Nope, if light it's on vacuum doesn't have an limit. It can't reach in anyways before the own atmosphere stops it (or the light hitting an meteorite or something like that).

This is the equal to an person getting Intergalatic range due to having laser point, and it can't hurt due to decrease the energy intensity by area.

DID is psychological, and yet, there's personality swapping. And it's heavily implied that the personalities swap control over the person's body through symptoms like memory loss and use of other names. It is something like physical possession while being psychological at the same time.

These personalities are mostly due to traumas, it's something psychological & that doesn't means that someone who resists it can resist an actual posession.

How does the pole debunk the kid's feat?

Because he could have holded off the wires in an different position, so he doesn't got electrocutated at all.

And wouldn't the fact that medics didn't find anything wrong strengthen the extent of his feat of withstanding the amount of amps that would've killed a regular person. Still sounds like a strong case to keep electricity resistance as long as there's a calc on amps.

As I say we don't know nothing of what happened, only an statement that even the medics find hard to be credible. They don't find nothing on him and these claims are absolutely unrealistic, due to how biologically the heart works.

And the source is from UK journalism that has rules and ethics.

This doesn't debunk the fact that it's an claim that they didn't prove.

It can also be argued that the bullet proof vest and it's material reduces the penetration damage of bullets, and normal biological material like human skin can't stop bullets. Still seems like a good reasoning to keep damage reduction by body armor. And I find it ironic that the same page also says "reduce penetration". Same case for armored bullet resistant cars and it's material.

Again, it reduces via layers of material which is 9-C durability & as you say it doesn't reduces human skin damage.

 

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Yeah but that's an completely different case.

ESP not being biological senses doesn't change the fact that it still proves my point that seemingly supernatural abilities on-site can be allowed as superpowers and not be supernatural.

How resist an psychological personality equals to an mushroom controling your mind? All of this is rejected on the wiki.

"I don't even say nor intend to imply that psych personality = mushroom controling mind. When the main point I want to tell is that possession doesn't have to be supernatural."

girl, what's happening? You've been "r/ whoosh" missing my points here, and some of them are very obvious.

These personalities are mostly due to traumas, it's something psychological & that doesn't means that someone who resists it can resist an actual posession.

The personality swappings are actual physical possession. Just because it's psychological and from trauma, it doesn't mean that the personality swapping isn't possession. What makes the psychological and trauma aspect here debunking of my point anyways?

Nope, if light it's on vacuum doesn't have an limit. It can't reach in anyways before the own atmosphere stops it (or the light hitting an meteorite or something like that).

This is the equal to an person getting Intergalatic range due to having laser point, and it can't hurt due to decrease the energy intensity by area.

What point are you trying to counter at this point? Because you're making yourself look split on if CH should have infinite or intergalactic range when light and radio waves aren't the same thing. Are you trying to tell me that CH's range can be potentially infinite when we both know that there are factors that decreases light's range. Not to mention that even you started countering god only knows what here, I knew that light was limited by distance and air from the start, so what are you trying to change?

Because he could have holded off the wires in an different position, so he doesn't got electrocutated at all.

Is this a point you can prove? I would find it ironic if you can't prove it.

As I say we don't know nothing of what happened, only an statement that even the medics find hard to be credible. They don't find nothing on him and these claims are absolutely unrealistic, due to how biologically the heart works.

The kid was exposed to electricity and the medics found no problem with his body. That's the point of electricity resistance, withstanding the amps that would've stopped a person's heart and showing no problems in the body by medics is electricity resistance. And the article and comments did show what happened, as I'll get to shortly after this paragraph.

This doesn't debunk the fact that it's an claim that they didn't prove.

The fact that the journalist(s) of the article reported the circumstances behind the boy's feat, and the fact that they reported a feat that was in volts within human survivability adds to how realistic the feat was showed that they did prove the boy's feat happened. The article and comments even acknowledges that his feat was very dangerous and he's getting too cocky even assuming that the 11 K volts was true.

The fact that there's concern for the boy, a chance of him surviving the feat, and there's journalistic reason to report facts shows that the claim is proven. The article being made by someone that upholds facts would have a reason to factually report the feat as true.

Again, it reduces via layers of material which is 9-C durability & as you say it doesn't reduces human skin damage.

What makes the material argument valid if the layers of material reduces the piercing damage of bullets? Reducing proves that the armor has the damage reduction ability.

I mentioned human skin to prove that the armor having damage reduction is a superpower.

 

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ESP not being biological senses doesn't change the fact that it still proves my point that seemingly supernatural abilities on-site can be allowed as superpowers and not be supernatural.

"I don't even say nor intend to imply that psych personality = mushroom controling mind. When the main point I want to tell is that possession doesn't have to be supernatural."

girl, what's happening? You've been "r/ whoosh" missing my points here, and some of them are very obvious.

DID it's literally rejected as an power and you still says that we can use it.... if you don't like it you can make an thread for that..

The personality swappings are actual physical possession. Just because it's psychological and from trauma, it doesn't mean that the personality swapping isn't possession. What makes the psychological and trauma aspect here debunking of my point anyways?

Because it's psychological, posession is something that directly goes to your mind/body and possess it & psychological changes it because it's the own mind that does that.

What point are you trying to counter at this point? Because you're making yourself look split on if CH should have infinite or intergalactic range when light and radio waves aren't the same thing. Are you trying to tell me that CH's range can be potentially infinite when we both know that there are factors that decreases light's range. Not to mention that even you started countering god only knows what here, I knew that light was limited by distance and air from the start, so what are you trying to change?

I was talking about lasers, uh-hu & these both are still reflected by things on the distance. The factors that decreases light range are the own things on the space, what I'm saying is that 100LY-15GY is obviously not an limit, it can travel much far but all of this will never happen due to the things on the space so CH range should've planetary at best.

Is this a point you can prove? I would find it ironic if you can't prove it.

Obviously, let's check birds for example.

• Birds sitting on a wire don't touch the ground (or anything in contact with the ground), so electricity stays in the power line. But, if a bird touches a power line and equipment or other metal that is grounded, it gives electricity a path to the ground, and the bird could be shocked.

The kid never touched the ground, so he didn't receive thousands volts of electricity.

The kid was exposed to electricity and the medics found no problem with his body. That's the point of electricity resistance, withstanding the amps that would've stopped a person's heart and showing no problems in the body by medics is electricity resistance. And the article and comments did show what happened, as I'll get to shortly after this paragraph.

Did they found an body electricity superior of an average human? (like with the other guy) and medics didn't prove how the kid "survived" that quantity of volts because that never happened and that's why they say "apparently" because he never received that shock. The wet thing is an pure assumption due to the temperature, but you can't be sure if he was wet when the kid goes in the wires.

The fact that the journalist(s) of the article reported the circumstances behind the boy's feat, and the fact that they reported a feat that was in volts within human survivability adds to how realistic the feat was showed that they did prove the boy's feat happened. The article and comments even acknowledges that his feat was very dangerous and he's getting too cocky even assuming that the 11 K volts was true.

Nope, they didn't prove and it's just an claim. What they proved is the wires thing.

The fact that there's concern for the boy, a chance of him surviving the feat, and there's journalistic reason to report facts shows that the claim is proven. The article being made by someone that upholds facts would have a reason to factually report the feat as true.

Where? Because they never prove the claim, the impressive things are he touching the wires in water.

What makes the material argument valid if the layers of material reduces the piercing damage of bullets? Reducing proves that the armor has the damage reduction ability.

It's durability, because the layers can't even stop an knife.

I mentioned human skin to prove that the armor having damage reduction is a superpower.

It's not. Reducing human skin damage =/= Armor durability.

We have examples like Robocop page that is on the same case and doesn't have damage reduction.

 

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I'm pretty sure range is basically how far something can reach, and it's furthest distance in which it's potent. A marble that is sent at supersonic speeds, will do crazy damage at a certain distance, but after a while, it will move at like 2 inches per second. It's still moving a distance, but it's not actually effective.

I think CH's laser and light-based abilities can be listed as "at most, Intergalactic in outer space".

Also gatekeeper alters work by preventing personalities from taking control of the main one. A character with possession on that level would be stopper, but characters who can possess someone's body by injecting their soul into it, like a ghost can, will ignore the gatekeeper alter and ignore CH's resistance completely.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I'm pretty sure range is basically how far something can reach, and it's furthest distance in which it's potent. A marble that is sent at supersonic speeds, will do crazy damage at a certain distance, but after a while, it will move at like 2 inches per second. It's still moving a distance, but it's not actually effective.

It will do nothing after touch the atmosphere.

I think CH's laser and light-based abilities can be listed as "at most, Intergalactic in outer space".

Intergalactic is not the limit, in any case it's Universal.

Also gatekeeper alters work by preventing personalities from taking control of the main one. A character with possession on that level would be stopper, but characters who can possess someone's body by injecting their soul into it, like a ghost can, will ignore the gatekeeper alter and ignore CH's resistance completely.

Personalities that are psychological are rejected on this wiki, you can't compare an basic personality with someone who actually posees the mind.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

DID it's literally rejected as an power and you still says that we can use it.... if you don't like it you can make an thread for that..

Because it's psychological, posession is something that directly goes to your mind/body and possess it & psychological changes it because it's the own mind that does that.

And... Explain to me how 1 gatekeeper alter = multiple benign alters = DID (a rejected power on the wiki). I already know why CH shouldn't have multiple selves via DID; it's physiological.

Alters/personalities do go in the body and assume direct control over it. The psychological aspect of the alters/personalities is why they're implied to take control over the person's body, not the reason why they can't do possession. Explain how DID being psychological makes this not possession.

I was reading the old thread here regarding your point about it being psychological, and doesn't characters like the horde have DID, and yet have superpowers relating to some of the alters as justification for their alters' abilities staying on the profile? Should we remove genius intelligence because it's psychological alone? The difference between the horde's abilities, and genius intelligence to something psychological like autism is that the first 2 have a superpower most people don't have.

I was talking about lasers, uh-hu & these both are still reflected by things on the distance. The factors that decreases light range are the own things on the space, what I'm saying is that 100LY-15GY is obviously not an limit, it can travel much far but all of this will never happen due to the things on the space so CH range should've planetary at best.

1: If you're trying to debunk light range. Why did you pull up the point of light being potentially endless even when I said electromagnetic waves (yes, that does include radio waves and light) can travel potentially endlessly before you said something similar, but light can't travel 15 GLY due to factors I already mentioned..

I already knew that light can't 100% travel 15 GLY from the start. You're just agreeing with me at this point.

2: Isn't it common sense that radiowaves aren't the same thing as light? Both exist in different wavelengths; the former are a bunch of broadcasted messages and the latter are a bunch of photons that we know have limits. You got this?

Obviously, let's check birds for example.

• Birds sitting on a wire don't touch the ground (or anything in contact with the ground), so electricity stays in the power line. But, if a bird touches a power line and equipment or other metal that is grounded, it gives electricity a path to the ground, and the bird could be shocked.

The kid never touched the ground, so he didn't receive thousands volts of electricity.

Ok.

1: You don't have to be an expert to know that birds and humans have a different physiology. Not to mention that their feet don't conduct electricity like human hands because they're at the same electrical potential.

2: Explain how not touching the ground is going to save the boy from an electric current.

Did they found an body electricity superior of an average human? (like with the other guy) and medics didn't prove how the kid "survived" that quantity of volts because that never happened and that's why they say "apparently" because he never received that shock. The wet thing is an pure assumption due to the temperature, but you can't be sure if he was wet when the kid goes in the wires.

If the boy wasn't wet, then prove how the boy wasn't sweating under the hot, humid conditions in india. I know what's it's like to live in the desert heat since I live in it, and you should too since Argentina has heat waves. The extra humidity from a place like india would just make living there feel hotter and retain sweat on your skin.

And it's implied that the medics did the check up after he did his electricity stunts. "
He added: ‘Doctors did some blood test and did an overall check up but they found nothing wrong with me.

‘Instead they started taking pictures of me on their camera, like I was some famous Bollywood actor or something. It was quite funny.'
" They started taking pictures since they knew he was the boy that withstood electricity that would've been fatal to a normal person.

Where? Because they never prove the claim, the impressive things are he touching the wires in water.

The journalist stated that he touched a pole that had 11 K volts and acknowledged (along with experts) that's dangerous for him. That should fall within your common sense. And the journalist in question has been proven to have the motive to report facts, and not just myths or aliens that they've seen and unfortunately can't prove.

And if the claim of 11 K volts hasn't been proven, then explain the reaction of everyone else around him if him touching 11 K volts didn't happen. The boy has high confidence in his resistance and is more than willing to carelessly expose himself to wires that aren't in water.

It's durability, because the layers can't even stop an knife.

Doesn't change the fact that they can stop and reduce the piercing effect of bullets. So what's next? medieval armor can't stop knife slashes anymore because they can't stop a 9-B sniper bullet onto itself?

It's not. Reducing human skin damage =/= Armor durability.

We have examples like Robocop page that is on the same case and doesn't have damage reduction.

"& as you say it doesn't reduces human skin damage." - You a couple of replies ago in regards to armor.

Wut. Where did I say or unintentionally imply that reducing skin damage is armor durability? You don't need to counter something I didn't say or has been debunked.
"It can also be argued that the bullet proof vest and it's material reduces the penetration damage of bullets, and normal biological material like human skin can't stop bullets. Still seems like a good reasoning to keep damage reduction by body armor. And I find it ironic that the same page also says "reduce penetration". Same case for armored bullet resistant cars and it's material."

I said that the armor and it's material reduces the piercing effect of bullets. I compared human skin to armor to prove armor is superior, not that reducing human skin damage alone is durability. And Robocop's case is just fiction, and we don't know the exact mechanisms on how he withstands things.

It will do nothing after touch the atmosphere.

Intergalactic is not the limit, in any case it's Universal.

Can you prove that an ability's potency is required for range [an ability's capacity to reach a certain distance]? So far, I only see it affecting an ability/attack's reach. The range page doesn't say that if an ability or attack can do anything a certain distance, it would only count as range. It only says range requires if an ability/attack can reach a certain distance, regardless of potency.

 

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And... Explain to me how 1 gatekeeper alter = multiple benign alters = DID (a rejected power on the wiki). I already know why CH shouldn't have multiple selves via DID; it's physiological.

Alters/personalities do go in the body and assume direct control over it. The psychological aspect of the alters/personalities is why they're implied to take control over the person's body, not the reason why they can't do possession. Explain how DID being psychological makes this not possession.

Because posession is something supernatural that takes control of one mind, for example an entity that possess one mind. Gatekeeper Alter works only by holding traumas, so that stops alters from appearing & posession is not an trauma.

I was reading the old thread here regarding your point about it being psychological, and doesn't characters like the horde have DID, and yet have superpowers relating to some of the alters as justification for their alters' abilities staying on the profile? Should we remove genius intelligence because it's psychological alone? The difference between the horde's abilities, and genius intelligence to something psychological like autism is that the first 2 have a superpower most people don't have.

That means about DID having it's own page, but it is not Multiple Selves that grants possesion or mind resistance.

1: If you're trying to debunk light range. Why did you pull up the point of light being potentially endless even when I said electromagnetic waves (yes, that does include radio waves and light) can travel potentially endlessly before you said something similar, but light can't travel 15 GLY due to factors I already mentioned..

I already knew that light can't 100% travel 15 GLY from the start. You're just agreeing with me at this point.

What I'm saying is that 15 GLY it's not the limit from light, because light doesn't have an limit so in that case give it at least Universal range.

2: Isn't it common sense that radiowaves aren't the same thing as light? Both exist in different wavelengths; the former are a bunch of broadcasted messages and the latter are a bunch of photons that we know have limits. You got this?

And? They still travel at the speed of light in vacuum until something absorbs it, these doesn't have an limit if nothing stops them.

1: You don't have to be an expert to know that birds and humans have a different physiology. Not to mention that their feet don't conduct electricity like human hands because they're at the same electrical potential.

What I'm saying that just walking in wires doesn't mean that the kid absorbed the entire electricity of the place.

2: Explain how not touching the ground is going to save the boy from an electric current.

Because any connection with the ground makes the shock.

If the boy wasn't wet, then prove how the boy wasn't sweating under the hot, humid conditions in india. I know what's it's like to live in the desert heat since I'm in vegas, and you should too since Argentina has heat waves. The extra humidity from a place like india would just make living there feel hotter and retain sweat on your skin.

Mm, right now here is so cold but it still depends on the temperature that the boy had. I'm pretty sure that the boy didn't weat shirts & little sweat isn't enough to increase the shock to that extremes ohm's.

And it's implied that the medics did the check up after he did his electricity stunts. "
He added: ‘Doctors did some blood test and did an overall check up but they found nothing wrong with me.

‘Instead they started taking pictures of me on their camera, like I was some famous Bollywood actor or something. It was quite funny.'
" They started taking pictures since they knew he was the boy that withstood electricity that would've been fatal to a normal person.

But experts have warned against copying Deepak's behaviour, and Emma Apter from Electrical Safety First said: 'This is a life-threatening activity and one which we strongly advise against.
'Electricity has the potential to kill or seriously injure anyone unfortunate enough to come in to contact with it, so it is baffling that someone would voluntarily put themselves at such risk.
'In the UK alone, we estimate that 350,000 people are seriously injured by electricity each year and at Electrical Safety First we are regrettably only too familiar with the devastating impact that electrical accidents can have.
'This is a disaster waiting to happen and we would urge anyone attempting it to think twice about the potentially horrific consequences of such an action”.
​

Taking photos of the kid doesn't mean nothing, they were surprised that he don't die but the boy was still normal like any average person is.

The journalist stated that he touched a pole that had 11 K volts and acknowledged (along with experts) that's dangerous for him. That should fall within your common sense. And the journalist in question has been proven to have the motive to report facts, and not just myths or aliens that they've seen and unfortunately can't prove.

That it's not facts:

1. Never seen him to touch an pole with 11k volts, just assumptions.
2. It's impossible for someone to survive touching an pole with that exaggerated quantity of voltage.

And if the claim of 11 K volts hasn't been proven, then explain the reaction of everyone else around him if him touching 11 K volts didn't happen. The boy has high confidence in his resistance and is more than willing to carelessly expose himself to wires that aren't in water.

There an difference between just sweat & touching wires in pure water, everyone was scared about the boy touching wires because if one breaks it would've fatal.

Doesn't change the fact that they can stop and reduce the piercing effect of bullets. So what's next? medieval armor can't stop knife slashes anymore because they can't stop a 9-B sniper bullet onto itself?

Knife are more of piercing damage, these fibers are made to stop the bullet damage via own durability.

Wut. Where did I say or unintentionally imply that reducing skin damage is armor durability? You don't need to counter something I didn't say or has been debunked.
"It can also be argued that the bullet proof vest and it's material reduces the penetration damage of bullets, and normal biological material like human skin can't stop bullets. Still seems like a good reasoning to keep damage reduction by body armor. And I find it ironic that the same page also says "reduce penetration". Same case for armored bullet resistant cars and it's material."

Because human skin is thin to reduce bullet penetration, armors are just durability so it's pointless.

I said that the armor and it's material reduces the piercing effect of bullets. I compared human skin to armor to prove armor is superior, not that reducing human skin damage alone is durability. And Robocop's case is just fiction, and we don't know the exact mechanisms on how he withstands things.

You used the example of The Horde.

Fiction or not VSBW uses fibers as durability, not damage reduction.

Can you prove that an ability's potency is required for range [an ability's capacity to reach a certain distance]? So far, I only see it affecting an ability/attack's reach. The range page doesn't say that if an ability or attack can do anything a certain distance, it would only count as range. It only says range requires if an ability/attack can reach a certain distance, regardless of potency.

It would do nothing, it's not even an attack because the potency demish away, these lasers or radio waves would disappear before even traspassing the atmosphere, these would never reach that range before vanish away.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I think "Damage Reduction with armors" is a fine enough. It gets the point across that it isn't Damage Reduction in the sense that CH is suddenly having their body reduce damage, more so their armor reduces the impact of force due to being a cushion of some sorts. I think armor is notable enough to make it in the powers and abilities list somewhere.
(also I just remembered a technique in a karate class I took where you could theoretically reduce the damage you take on your belly or gut by going "huah!", which is called a kihap, when throwing a punch. Doing so tightens your muscles there and it makes it less painful as well when punched in the gut, as your lungs are emptied of air, and tightens your core muscles. Could that be used as incredibly minor damage reduction for base? Or is it so minor it might as well not be there?)

Could we add people who are on the run and successfully hid from the FBI for a super long time to add to CH stealth mastery? Those examples seem incredibly impressive

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I think "Damage Reduction with armors" is a fine enough. It gets the point across that it isn't Damage Reduction in the sense that CH is suddenly having their body reduce damage, more so their armor reduces the impact of force due to being a cushion of some sorts. I think armor is notable enough to make it in the powers and abilities list somewhere.

I don't think the wiki accepts armors as damage reduction, maybe you can suggest an new ability for that.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Because posession is something supernatural that takes control of one mind, for example an entity that possess one mind. Gatekeeper Alter works only by holding traumas, so that stops alters from appearing & posession is not an trauma.

I already debunked that possession and other supernatural-like superpowers are needed to be supernatural. And where does anything say that gatekeeper alters "only work by holding trauma"? They hold back alters, not trauma. Not to mention that an alter can take control of your own body by stimuli.

That means about DID having it's own page, but it is not Multiple Selves that grants possesion or mind resistance.

Missing the point. You still haven't proved that a gatekeeper alter = multiple alters = DID too.

The point here is that things having simple mental disorders alone like anxiety and psychosis aren't enough to grant them an ability even if available on-site. If the thing having a mental disorder has a superpower, that superpower should be indexed, not the disorder alone.

That is unless if something psychological is a common sense above-average superpower like genius intelligence. DID (alone) unlike genius intelligence isn't a superpower.

What I'm saying is that 15 GLY it's not the limit from light, because light doesn't have an limit so in that case give it at least Universal range.

And? They still travel at the speed of light in vacuum until something absorbs it, these doesn't have an limit if nothing stops them.

It would do nothing, it's not even an attack because the potency demish away, these lasers or radio waves would disappear before even traspassing the atmosphere, these would never reach that range before vanish away.

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that we should give CH at least "X" range, potentially endless in a vaccum based off of these reasons? Besides, aliens can perceive the 100 LY radio waves from Earth. And I bet you would agree with me that a laser pointer doesn't have infinite range.

What I'm saying that just walking in wires doesn't mean that the kid absorbed the entire electricity of the place.

Because any connection with the ground makes the shock.

The pole is likely wood or aluminum, and considering the carelessness of the boy, the electricity can shock him, then the pole, and down to the ground. And he was touching the pole at the time.

Mm, right now here is so cold but it still depends on the temperature that the boy had. I'm pretty sure that the boy didn't weat shirts & little sweat isn't enough to increase the shock to that extremes ohm's.

But experts have warned against copying Deepak's behaviour, and Emma Apter from Electrical Safety First said: 'This is a life-threatening activity and one which we strongly advise against.
'Electricity has the potential to kill or seriously injure anyone unfortunate enough to come in to contact with it, so it is baffling that someone would voluntarily put themselves at such risk.
'In the UK alone, we estimate that 350,000 people are seriously injured by electricity each year and at Electrical Safety First we are regrettably only too familiar with the devastating impact that electrical accidents can have.
'This is a disaster waiting to happen and we would urge anyone attempting it to think twice about the potentially horrific consequences of such an action”.
​

Taking photos of the kid doesn't mean nothing, they were surprised that he don't die but the boy was still normal like any average person is.

Even when the average temperature in india is 26 C, the above average humidity means that the boy will retain a lot of sweat over the course of hours in india.

Never thought I would be the one to point out details someone missed, considering my weaknesses in attention...
"
To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village.

Soon, a crowd had gathered beneath him and started screaming in fear as they thought he was trying to commit suicide.

Deepak said: ‘I was hanging from the pole touching the wires and I think people thought I was crazy.

'My mother came running over and started begging me to come down. She thought I was killing myself.

'But once people saw me touch the wires and walk away unscathed, everyone started cheering. I surprised everyone.’
" You're pretty much going to need an explanation on how lots of people in the village could be making up the story that the boy did touch the wires. And you're the same person to trust the journalist's other claims aside from the 11K volts one.

That it's not facts:

1. Never seen him to touch an pole with 11k volts, just assumptions.
2. It's impossible for someone to survive touching an pole with that exaggerated quantity of voltage.

There an difference between just sweat & touching wires in pure water, everyone was scared about the boy touching wires because if one breaks it would've fatal.

Not true, a person can withstand volts if the ohms are high enough or their bodies alone have some sort of physics magic trick. Which I'm patiently waiting on. Not to mention that the same source the boy is in says "usually" fatal, and the word usually technically means it's not 100% impossible to survive 11K volts. It only proves a high-end limit to any human's electricity resistance.

And I bet this is one of the reasons why you keep trying to debunk the boy's feat, you find it unrealistic. I'll be waiting to have a good justification on how the boy's feat isn't "99% most likely fatal", but "100% most definitely" impossible.

Knife are more of piercing damage, these fibers are made to stop the bullet damage via own durability.

Because human skin is thin to reduce bullet penetration, armors are just durability so it's pointless.

The point that the armor being made of material alone isn't damage reduction is debunked since the main point is that the material of the armor itself is designed to lower the piercing force of what it's designed to go up against. While that doesn't change the fact that another piercing weapon that the material isn't designed to pierce through can damage the armor, it also doesn't fundementally change that the armor is built against the piercing damage it can go up against.

And if we start using forces objects aren't built against as antifeats, we should downgrade 9-B animals to 9-C or lower since 9-C weapons can easily pierce through.

Your human skin point is my point. Since the body armor unlike skin can stop bullets and reduce their piercing output, that grants the armor the damage reduction superpower.

(also I just remembered a technique in a karate class I took where you could theoretically reduce the damage you take on your belly or gut by going "huah!", which is called a kihap, when throwing a punch. Doing so tightens your muscles there and it makes it less painful as well when punched in the gut, as your lungs are emptied of air, and tightens your core muscles. Could that be used as incredibly minor damage reduction for base? Or is it so minor it might as well not be there?)

Anyone can technically do this even though not everyone may have this knowledge. That reasoning means CH isn't going to have damage reduction here.

Could we add people who are on the run and successfully hid from the FBI for a super long time to add to CH stealth mastery? Those examples seem incredibly impressive

Where again?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I already debunked that possession and other supernatural-like superpowers are needed to be supernatural. And where does anything say that gatekeeper alters "only work by holding trauma"? They hold back alters, not trauma. Not to mention that an alter can take control of your own body by stimuli.

That is physically messing with your mind, how would alter gate resist that?

Missing the point. You still haven't proved that a gatekeeper alter = multiple alters = DID too.

The point here is that things having simple mental disorders alone like anxiety and psychosis aren't enough to grant them an ability even if available on-site. If the thing having a mental disorder has a superpower, that superpower should be indexed, not the disorder alone.

Idk why you say about mind posession being not supernatural when it clearly is. By trauma means because the alters are made by some trauma and if the human breaks these traumas they can release these alters, posession isn't an trauma....

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that we should give CH at least "X" range, potentially endless in a vaccum based off of these reasons? Besides, aliens can perceive the 100 LY radio waves from Earth. And I bet you would agree with me that a laser pointer doesn't have infinite range.

It's not GLY then, at best Planetary because it's the most effective laser area because lasers yeah, are endless at vacuum.

The pole is likely wood or aluminum, and considering the carelessness of the boy, the electricity can shock him, then the pole, and down to the ground. And he was touching the pole at the time.

We don't even know how he climbed the pole.

Even when the average temperature in india is 26 C, the above average humidity means that the boy will retain a lot of sweat over the course of hours in india.

He will not sweat a lot if he doesn't have shirts or these clothes that makes someone sweat, compared with being actually wet.

Never thought I would be the one to point out details someone missed, considering my weaknesses in attention...
"
To find out, Deepak decided to test his limits by climbing an electric pole in a nearby field to touch the 11,000 voltage high-tension wire that powers his village.

Soon, a crowd had gathered beneath him and started screaming in fear as they thought he was trying to commit suicide.

Deepak said: ‘I was hanging from the pole touching the wires and I think people thought I was crazy.

'My mother came running over and started begging me to come down. She thought I was killing myself.

'But once people saw me touch the wires and walk away unscathed, everyone started cheering. I surprised everyone.’
" You're pretty much going to need an explanation on how lots of people in the village could be making up the story that the boy did touch the wires. And you're the same person to trust the journalist's other claims aside from the 11K volts one.

You can't compare supporting claims with this, because any human being wet and surviving 11k volts is completely fictional. If they can't prove these claims then it's an made-up story, I didn't see any of these people confirming it but just impressed about the events.

Not true, a person can withstand volts if the ohms are high enough or their bodies alone have some sort of physics magic trick. Which I'm patiently waiting on. Not to mention that the same source the boy is in says "usually" fatal, and the word usually technically means it's not 100% impossible to survive 11K volts. It only proves a high-end limit to any human's electricity resistance.

The limit of human electricity are just normal, the doctors literally didn't see any thing wrong on him and we are saying things based off an claim more than actual study.

The point that the armor being made of material alone isn't damage reduction is debunked since the main point is that the material of the armor itself is designed to lower the piercing force of what it's designed to go up against. While that doesn't change the fact that another piercing weapon that the material isn't designed to pierce through can damage the armor, it also doesn't fundementally change that the armor is built against the piercing damage it can go up against.

Bullets are sent by energy tho, I'm pretty sure that is what the fibers reduce not the piercing damage because knife can cut through them, or maybe I misread something?

And if we start using forces objects aren't built against as antifeats, we should downgrade 9-B animals to 9-C or lower since 9-C weapons can easily pierce through.

They can via piercing damage.

Anyone can technically do this even though not everyone may have this knowledge. That reasoning means CH isn't going to have damage reduction here.

Mm..

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I suppose that's true, we can't have self-body heat regulation on the profile lol

Where again?

Idk what you mean by this. If you mean by examples, there's Victor Manuel Gerena who had been on the run since 1984 from the FBI for the biggest US robbery at the time, and was taken off after 25 years and still has yet to be found with any leads to this day. Also these kind of stealth feats work for fights that regard CH dealing with  society like the CH vs the Human Race thread. As for literally where on the profile, you could just add another reference to Stealth Mastery on their base key

 

[H3110l12345I20]

If anyone was wondering where everyone is, I'll let everyone know that I'll be codifying standards for IRL sources credibility+scaling IRL animals, then I'll ask staff to implement said rules for the "Real World what-if mergings" verse (since it uses IRL animal sources+relies on IRL animal scaling in some profiles.

Deleted Username is also hurt the last time I chatted with her, so at best she'll be a spectator.

IDK where MaybeWantsToEdit/G-Toasty is though. So it's up to him if he wants to clear stuff up.

The debate WILL continue once I'm done setting good examples for the IRL verse on the main site, and even codifying said set examples.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I think "Damage Reduction with armors" is a fine enough. It gets the point across that it isn't Damage Reduction in the sense that CH is suddenly having their body reduce damage, more so their armor reduces the impact of force due to being a cushion of some sorts. I think armor is notable enough to make it in the powers and abilities list somewhere.
(also I just remembered a technique in a karate class I took where you could theoretically reduce the damage you take on your belly or gut by going "huah!", which is called a kihap, when throwing a punch. Doing so tightens your muscles there and it makes it less painful as well when punched in the gut, as your lungs are emptied of air, and tightens your core muscles. Could that be used as incredibly minor damage reduction for base? Or is it so minor it might as well not be there?)

Could we add people who are on the run and successfully hid from the FBI for a super long time to add to CH stealth mastery? Those examples seem incredibly impressive

It's actually a Kiai in Japanese, Kihap/Gihap in Korean, but yeah other than that it's pretty much accurate, it helps with both breath control when delivering attacks to conserve stamina and make attacks faster by timing the breathing with the tension and relaxation of the muscles as well as resistance to shock from receiving attacks which would otherwise knock the wind out of the person by using core/abdominal muscles to protect the diaphragm, also as a side benefit can startle or disorientate opponents if loud enough but then again it can also give away when a person is attempting to deliver a technique, particularly a striking one, unless feints are used to keep the pattern unpredictable.

(I think different martial arts probably either came up with the same idea in different ways at different points in time or the idea was exchanged along with crossover of techniques when different martial arts came into contact with each other, cause you can also see the same principle in practice in kickboxing and other striking martial arts, as well as even grappling like judo and aikido)

Anyone can technically do this even though not everyone may have this knowledge. That reasoning means CH isn't going to have damage reduction here.

True, but worth at least noting down in the pain and injury tolerance section under stamina, along with conditioning in martial arts according to Wolff's law, Davis's law and the Mechanostat which DO technically result in damage reduction or at least lower likelihood of injury (speaking of injury, savant syndrome can be both acquired via autism AND injury, but of course it isn't always guaranteed either with autism or injury, though more likely to happen via autism than via injury) which can go under durability in base.

More info here:

Strike (attack) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Grappling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose that's true, we can't have self-body heat regulation on the profile lol

Idk what you mean by this. If you mean by examples, there's Victor Manuel Gerena who had been on the run since 1984 from the FBI for the biggest US robbery at the time, and was taken off after 25 years and still has yet to be found with any leads to this day. Also these kind of stealth feats work for fights that regard CH dealing with  society like the CH vs the Human Race thread. As for literally where on the profile, you could just add another reference to Stealth Mastery on their base key

Also technically we CAN have heat regulation because Wim Hof exists (already listed as resistance to cold, could also PROBABLY count Buddhist monks and Indian sages as well but debatable) but it's limited cause it's usually restricted to RAISING body heat only, rather than BOTH RAISING AND LOWERING body heat (unless sweat counts for releasing excess body heat and thus lowering body heat, since that is mainly the reason why humans were successful as endurance hunters? Not to mention the examples in energy exertion under stamina already).

By the way, H3, there's also this dude for radiation resistance (is also mentioned in the TV tropes links I sent a while back):

Anatoli Bugorski - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A researcher at the Institute for High Energy Physics in Protvino, Russian SFSR, Anatoli Bugorski worked with the largest particle accelerator in the Soviet Union, the U-70 synchrotron. On 13 July 1978, Bugorski was checking a malfunctioning piece of equipment when the safety mechanisms failed. Bugorski was leaning over the equipment when he stuck his head in the path of the 76 GeV proton beam. Reportedly, he saw a flash "brighter than a thousand suns" but did not feel any pain. The beam passed through the back of his head, the occipital and temporal lobes of his brain, the left middle ear, and out through the left hand side of his nose. The exposed parts of his head received a local dose of 200,000 to 300,000 roentgens (2,000 to 3,000 Sieverts)."

"As it was believed that he had received far in excess of a fatal dose of radiation, Bugorski was taken to a clinic in Moscow where the doctors could observe his expected demise. However, Bugorski survived, completed his PhD, and continued working as a particle physicist. There was virtually no damage to his intellectual capacity, but the fatigue of mental work increased markedly."

That being said:

"Bugorski completely lost hearing in the left ear, replaced by a form of tinnitus. The left half of his face was paralysed due to the destruction of nerves. He was able to function well, except for occasional complex partial seizures and rare tonic-clonic seizures."

He's still alive, he's 82 years old.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/composite-human-vs-tournament.161605/page-7

if anyone wants to cross-check links.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

It's actually a Kiai in Japanese, Kihap/Gihap in Korean, but yeah other than that it's pretty much accurate, it helps with both breath control when delivering attacks to conserve stamina and make attacks faster by timing the breathing with the tension and relaxation of the muscles as well as resistance to shock from receiving attacks which would otherwise knock the wind out of the person by using core/abdominal muscles to protect the diaphragm, also as a side benefit can startle or disorientate opponents if loud enough but then again it can also give away when a person is attempting to deliver a technique, particularly a striking one, unless feints are used to keep the pattern unpredictable.

(I think different martial arts probably either came up with the same idea in different ways at different points in time or the idea was exchanged along with crossover of techniques when different martial arts came into contact with each other, cause you can also see the same principle in practice in kickboxing and other striking martial arts, as well as even grappling like judo and aikido)


True, but worth at least noting down in the pain and injury tolerance section under stamina, along with conditioning in martial arts according to Wolff's law, Davis's law and the Mechanostat which DO technically result in damage reduction or at least lower likelihood of injury (speaking of injury, savant syndrome can be both acquired via autism AND injury, but of course it isn't always guaranteed either with autism or injury, though more likely to happen via autism than via injury) which can go under durability in base.

More info here:

Strike (attack) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Grappling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also technically we CAN have heat regulation because Wim Hof exists (already listed as resistance to cold, could also PROBABLY count Buddhist monks and Indian sages as well but debatable) but it's limited cause it's usually restricted to RAISING body heat only, rather than BOTH RAISING AND LOWERING body heat (unless sweat counts for releasing excess body heat and thus lowering body heat, since that is mainly the reason why humans were successful as endurance hunters? Not to mention the examples in energy exertion under stamina already).

By the way, H3, there's also this dude for radiation resistance (is also mentioned in the TV tropes links I sent a while back):

Anatoli Bugorski - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A researcher at the Institute for High Energy Physics in Protvino, Russian SFSR, Anatoli Bugorski worked with the largest particle accelerator in the Soviet Union, the U-70 synchrotron. On 13 July 1978, Bugorski was checking a malfunctioning piece of equipment when the safety mechanisms failed. Bugorski was leaning over the equipment when he stuck his head in the path of the 76 GeV proton beam. Reportedly, he saw a flash "brighter than a thousand suns" but did not feel any pain. The beam passed through the back of his head, the occipital and temporal lobes of his brain, the left middle ear, and out through the left hand side of his nose. The exposed parts of his head received a local dose of 200,000 to 300,000 roentgens (2,000 to 3,000 Sieverts)."

"As it was believed that he had received far in excess of a fatal dose of radiation, Bugorski was taken to a clinic in Moscow where the doctors could observe his expected demise. However, Bugorski survived, completed his PhD, and continued working as a particle physicist. There was virtually no damage to his intellectual capacity, but the fatigue of mental work increased markedly."

That being said:

"Bugorski completely lost hearing in the left ear, replaced by a form of tinnitus. The left half of his face was paralysed due to the destruction of nerves. He was able to function well, except for occasional complex partial seizures and rare tonic-clonic seizures."

He's still alive, he's 82 years old.

That's a lotta feats. When Aurora gets back (and MaybewantstoEdit), we should look over the feats in the TV tropes to see if they hold up.

As for some of them... "It's an unwritten rule that a power/ability has to be overpowered/supernatural about it. Because of this, there shouldn't be nigh-irrelevant abilities everyone, every animal and other groups in similar circumstances that have abilities all of them should possess unless it fits the aforementioned requirements."

That should nullify some of them.

As for the breathing technique and martial arts damage reduction. I have no clue. They're all stuff anyone could do, and at the same time, most people lack the skill to do said damage reduction techniques.