Composite Human edits 2.0 (Matchup, defacto CRT, optional additions, etc)

[H3110l12345I20]

^^^; continuing from this thread. So as of Seol's edit here, the page is locked for the CH. So this page is here for anyone to suggest changes and match up additions/removals from the page. nevermind, she unlocked the page.

If anyone wants to change the page, this thread is the discussion thread for it.

(Sandbox everyone is working on)

Spoiler: Previous stuff (momentarily obsolete)

There's going to be a necessary format to make stuff easier for the staff to read.

Spoiler: Format

Priority: [priority number]
Section: [statistic/rating section name (for example, speed, weaknesses, age, etc)] ([key name])

• Between [starting text]...[ending text]

Change: [Insert change summary here]
Source Change: [insert link to sandbox/potential future source text desired in the specific section/area of change]

Note that the "between" part isn't always necessary, but will help in directing a potential staff/other member in editing the page.

For the suggested changes, there will be 5 categories in priority.

Spoiler: Priority Types

1: Changes that may impact the entirety of the profile itself.
2: Change fundementally changes a statistic, or rating of a section's key. Changes to add/remove a power/ability or to fundementally change how it's being perceived to other users.
3: Additions to a statistic/rating section that may be necessary, but wouldn't fundementally change the section.
4: Common editing/grammar mistakes. And any other mistake that may mess with how a section/statistic is read.
5: Unnecessary albeit recreational edits onto the profile. Adding/removing matches

Important notes

• If any staff are reading this section, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this information.
  
  According to this thread and especially in this reply, Seol404 is nearly the only staff member working on JBW for 2021-2023 and the JBW site is virtually almost ded.
  
  Only a select few users that care about the site do at least some user activity every 24 hrs.
  
  The Wiki Maintenance Help Request as of recently from this post and up to pg 2 of the thread, Seol has invited IdiosyncraticLawyer and Mr. Bambu to help on site. Though it should be noted that it's implied some staff like Copetan and possibly Ryukama are still at least active on the site. Everyone should at least follow the "Wiki Maintenance Help Request" thread for joke battles in-case there's any updates on the staff shortage.
  • Keep in mind that like in the main site's forum, it will take awhile for staff to notice this thread regardless of staff activity. So expect this thread to get attention from the Joke Battles staff in several weeks at best, and months to a year at worst.
• Major impacts to JBW staff work output

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Me in 2030 after my thread finally gets noticed by the staff:
Following

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Priority: 3 - 4
Section: Powers and Abilities (Social Influencing)
Change: Add Instigating Fear, Deception, Leadership, Charisma, Coercion, and Animal Charming as types for Social Influencing to keep consistency with the other abilities that have their types listed, since Social Influencing's page got a revision, not only that, but CH doesn't particularly have Social Positon and Reputation as a type for their Social Influencing unless we decided that CH has the most popularity of any person, but that could give them some disadvantages in fights.

CH's current SI references currently justify Deception, Charisma and Coercion types. Animal Charming can just have one of the references used for their Animal Manip listed.
Source Change: Instigating Fear[Ref], Deception and Coercion[Ref, already in page as Ref. 18], Leadership[Ref 1][Ref 2], Charisma[Ref 1, already in page as Ref. 18][Ref 2], Animal Charming[Ref 1, already in page as Ref. 26][Ref 2, already in page as Ref. 27]

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Priority: 3 - 4
Section: Powers and Abilities (Social Influencing)
Change: Add Instigating Fear, Deception, Leadership, Charisma, Coercion, and Animal Charming as types for Social Influencing to keep consistency with the other abilities that have their types listed, since Social Influencing's page got a revision, not only that, but CH doesn't particularly have Social Positon and Reputation as a type for their Social Influencing unless we decided that CH has the most popularity of any person, but that could give them some disadvantages in fights.

CH's current SI references currently justify Deception, Charisma and Coercion types. Animal Charming can just have one of the references used for their Animal Manip listed.
Source Change: Instigating Fear[Ref], Deception and Coercion[Ref, already in page as Ref. 18], Leadership[Ref 1][Ref 2], Charisma[Ref 1, already in page as Ref. 18][Ref 2], Animal Charming[Ref 1, already in page as Ref. 26][Ref 2, already in page as Ref. 27]

Dang, the SI page got an update

I'm planning on setting a standard for reference formats and credibility of sources. The former isn't necessary unless if someone is going to go out of their way to change all the references into a same format. The latter should be necessary to maintain trust on the page.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I'm planning on setting a standard for reference formats and credibility of sources.

For any Joke Battles staff reading this, the second reference for the Charisma type is just an IMDB page of the top 100 most attractive people, but I think that reference specifically should be excused for very likely not meeting the the future credibility standards, just because of the nature of what its for lol

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Priority: 5
Section: Others

• Between "Notable Victories:" and "Polar Bear"

Change: Adding another win for CH (they won against Donkey Kong). Couldn't prevent the "" part from be coming a smiley face though. So fix it in the source code yourself
Source Change: [[w:c:vsbattles:vsforum:threads/164880|Donkey Kong (Illumination)]] ([[w:c:vsbattles:Mario Bros|The Super Mario Bros. Movie]]) ([[w:c:vsbattles: Donkey Kong (Illumination)|Donkey Kong's profile]]) (Composite human has technology and weapons up to high 8-C. Both opponents start 5-10 m away from each other. [[w:c:vsbattles:Standard Battle Assumptions|Vs Battles Wiki Standard Battle Assumptions]] and [[w:c:vsbattles:Versus Thread Rules|standard versus thread rules]] otherwise)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Priority: 5
Section: Others
Change: Adding another win for CH (they won against 4 chimps).
Source Change: [[w:c:vsbattles:vsforum:threads/163716|Chimpanzee]] ([[w:c:vsbattles:The Real World|The Real World]]) ([[w:c:vsbattles:Chimpanzee|Chimpanzee's profile]]) (4 Chimpanzees try to attack Composite Human, but they all start at least 10 m away from Composite Human. Speed is equal and there are no preparation time for both opponents. [[w:c:vsbattles:Standard Battle Assumptions|Vs Battles Wiki Standard Battle Assumptions]] and [[w:c:vsbattles:Versus Thread Rules|standard versus thread rules]] otherwise)

Also...
Priority: 4
Section: Range

• Between "In one recorded case"..."under optimal acoustic conditions"

Change: Misspelling fix of "accross"
Source Change: human voice can be detected from 17 km across still water at night

 

[H3110l12345I20]

If any staff are reading this section, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this information.

According to this thread and especially in this reply, Seol404 is nearly the only staff member working on JBW for 2021-2023 and the JBW site is virtually almost ded.

Only a select few users that care about the site do at least some user activity every 24 hrs.

The Wiki Maintenance Help Request as of recently from this post and up to pg 2 of the thread, Seol has invited IdiosyncraticLawyer and Mr. Bambu to help on site. Though it should be noted that it's implied some staff like Copetan and possibly Ryukama are still at least active on the site. Everyone should at least follow the "Wiki Maintenance Help Request" thread for joke battles in-case there's any updates on the staff shortage.

• Keep in mind that like in the main site's forum, it will take awhile for staff to notice this thread regardless of staff activity. So expect this thread to get attention from the Joke Battles staff in several weeks at best, and months to a year at worst.

Updated this section here ^^^

 

[H3110l12345I20]

bump

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Why was the CH page even locked? To my knowledge, there hasn't been much, if any vandalism on it

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Why was the CH page even locked? To my knowledge, there hasn't been much, if any vandalism on it

Well, there are external factors to why the page was locked. The page has very high quality and dedication to it to where it's the page with the most bytes on-site. There's bound to be trolls and vandals willing to mess up the page even 10 years in the future. There are at least some people who still go on the site every 24 hr.

Another major factor is the staff shortage. "I'd be more keen on reformatting over deleting if we had more active staff but it's been almost exclusively me working on the Wiki for the past 2 years and I do not have the time in my day to reformat hundreds of pages, especially when I already have so little time to dedicate to the Wiki as is, so I only reformat pages which I have a particular interest in." -Seol404

• This reply is one of the biggest clues to what made Seol404 to lock the page. Up until she promoted Mr. Bambu and IdiosyncraticLawyer, it's been only her usually maintaining the site.

My best guess that locking such a high-quality, large page would protect the page and save a lot of time dealing with potential vandals. And this is amid the current staff shortage on JBW.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

My best guess that locking such a high-quality, large page would protect the page and save a lot of time dealing with potential vandals. And this is amid the current staff shortage on JBW.

But there's far more updates to the profile than vandalism. Compare the new changes and discoveries of a profile based on a real world thing that innately keeps progressing, causing new changes, and specific text to be added, compared to just going to the history of a profile and reverting vandalism with just one or two clicks, or hell, the people interested in the profile can already do that themselves for the admins. It just actually causes more work for them, is what I'm saying. If any edit wars occur, which on its own is rare for the JBW, at least for a serious profile, that's when mods can be called.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

But there's far more updates to the profile than vandalism. Compare the new changes and discoveries of a profile based on a real world thing that innately keeps progressing, causing new changes, and specific text to be added, compared to just going to the history of a profile and reverting vandalism with just one or two clicks, or hell, the people interested in the profile can already do that themselves for the admins. It just actually causes more work for them, is what I'm saying. If any edit wars occur, which on its own is rare for the JBW, at least for a serious profile, that's when mods can be called.

Well, if you think locking the profile is that unreasonable, then you can always contact Seol404, IdiosyncraticLawyer, Mr. Bambu and any other current staff working on the site and dispute this.

And there's the other factor that any of us interested in the profiles may move on from the wiki eventually, and stop contributing to the profile. I'm planning a way to "pass the torch" so to speak in-case that happens

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Priority: 5
Section: Others (Notable Victories:)

• Between "'''Notable Victories:'''"...'''[[w:c:vsbattles:vsforum:threads/138736..."

Change: CH won another match. I couldn't prevent the "" from appearing, so take out the space in-between the "Figure]] ([[w:c:vsbattles:" and "DOORS (Verse)|DOORS" part in the source.
Source Change:
[[w:c:vsbattles:vsforum:threads/164804|Figure]] ([[w:c:vsbattles: DOORS (Verse)|DOORS]]) [[w:c:vsbattles:Figure (DOORS)|Figure's profile]] ([[w:c:vsbattles:Standard Battle Assumptions|Vs Battles Wiki Standard Battle Assumptions]] and [[w:c:vsbattles:Versus Thread Rules|standard versus thread rules]])

Also...

Priority: At least 4
Section: Others (the section itself)
Change: The "Others" section title has been officially changed to "Notable Matchups". And the titles of the sections (Notable Victories, Notable Losses, and Inconclusive Matches) have been changed into "Victories", "Losses", and "Inconclusive". Shouldn't be a hard change to do.
Source Change: Self-explanatory, but these directions shouldn't be too literal.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

The Composite Human page is now unlocked. Should we make a blog to implement the changes called for in this thread before publishing it?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

The Composite Human page is now unlocked. Should we make a blog to implement the changes called for in this thread before publishing it?

More like sandbox based page than blog so both of us can contribute. Though FANDOM on my end may block changes from me due to some links on the thread that it thinks is harmful when they aren't.

If you don't know what I mean, this is a sandbox page

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I see. Could you send a link to the draft sandbox?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I see. Could you send a link to the draft sandbox?

This is one of my old drafts. I made a new one also if you want a blank slate. It's been made by using one of the FANDOM URLs, replace any othe character after the "wiki/" part with "User:[your username]/[title of sandbox page]"

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Why is Information Analysis listed as Limited? I feel like CH's Info Analysis is the most versatile and useful Info Analysis ability of any character in the VSB wiki alone, since things like Google Lens can literally show every piece of information CH can want of a character if they take a photo by pulling up their phone. Compare that to other characters who can usually only learn specific info.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why is Information Analysis listed as Limited? I feel like CH's Info Analysis is the most versatile and useful Info Analysis ability of any character in the VSB wiki alone, since things like Google Lens can literally show every piece of information CH can want of a character if they take a photo by pulling up their phone. Compare that to other characters who can usually only learn specific info.

Reinhard godly intuition telling him the "right answer":
Rimuru's Ultimate Skill Raphael and Manas Ciel:
Ajimu's book:
i wont call it the most versatile and useful but it definitely isnt limited

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Reinhard godly intuition telling him the "right answer":
Rimuru's Ultimate Skill Raphael and Manas Ciel:
Ajimu's book:
i wont call it the most versatile and useful but it definitely isnt limited

To answer that question, a person would need to go through the old threads on the CH (which should be a lot due to it's former popularity), info analysis' edit history, and the people who worked on it that are still on forum. It's edit history is either gone forever or as possibly seen in the second vs thread for CH and composite tree, still available to higher ranking staff like admins.

So far, I got nothing on the old threads and info analysis edit history end. Time to submit another question on the questions and answers section of VSBW.

Also, I assume that we're removing the "limited" part of info analysis.
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Also, shouldn't we take note of the lightning feats page as a note and put it near the surviving lightning feats in the stamina section, so there's not that one guy that will go "CH iz 8-B in DuR@111!". I'll also work on standards for scaling IRL since we should rely on physical blows for animals (CH should be 9-C, not 8-B). And humans for some reason made themselves defacto animals in science.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Also, shouldn't we take note of the lightning feats page as a note and put it near the surviving lightning feats in the stamina section, so there's not that one guy that will go "CH iz 8-B in DuR@111!". I'll also work on standards for scaling IRL since we should rely on physical blows for animals (CH should be 9-C, not 8-B). And humans for some reason made themselves defacto animals in science.

I agree, I've had someone in a server unironically tell me CH was Wall for surviving car crashes even though those cases don't take into account real world physics and logic, as well as surviving lightning. I had to explain to them that lightning loses majority of its energy once it reaches the ground. I think if we did do that though, we would have to have someone calc surviving lightning at ground level as a Common Feat. I'm guessing Flashlight would be interested in doing that

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

A 30 million volt Black Widow taser glove and taser darts... i feel like adding this since the highest a person has survived is 11 thousand and seems really usable in debates, what do you guys think?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Where there's an item, there's the potential chance for the strongest version of that item to exist. I tried finding a most potent taser ever, but nothing notable and quantifiable came out.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

So one of my friends told me of Jaften's responses on the death of SCP thread: "No, we don't allow JBW to be used as a "backup" for serious profiles anymore. JBW is a joke profile wiki, we delete profiles that don't fit that category now. We aren't going to accept SCP profiles. They're gonna have to go into blogs or sandboxes."

How come this is the case and why. Stuff like composite tree will ironically be more likely to stay, but what does this mean for other serious composite profiles? (Spreading the news. Not sure if the response is serious)

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

So one of my friends told me of Jaften's responses on the death of SCP thread: "No, we don't allow JBW to be used as a "backup" for serious profiles anymore. JBW is a joke profile wiki, we delete profiles that don't fit that category now. We aren't going to accept SCP profiles. They're gonna have to go into blogs or sandboxes."

How come this is the case and why. Stuff like composite tree will ironically be more likely to stay, but what does this mean for other serious composite profiles? (Spreading the news. Not sure if the response is serious)

I'm pretty sure it has to do with how JBW always never allowed profiles that were actually serious (like an established game character who doesn't have a VSBW page) to be put there. SCP is technically an established open webnovel franchise tmk. I think SCP could be put on FC/OC wiki? But idk about their policies on making profiles for character you didn't make there, if you could put SCP there at all.

Composite real world profiles are basically thought experiments and not actual characters, and so is a lot of profiles on JBW so I think those are fine

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I've also got a few questions for the profile.

1. What's going on with the Social Influencing additions' references? Are you checking their verifiability or did you not get around to just adding them in yet, asking since I don't want to interfere with that without knowing first.
2. Wouldn't Information Analysis and Technological Damage and Disablement be changed to Active instead of Conditional? Information analysis was initially a thing with face recognition and such, but Google lens makes it like any other information analysis-ability-through-an-item ability.

And Tech Disablement I think was listed as conditional due to a use of nuclear bombs which can't just be used in the middle of a fight, but EMP bombs and guns make it easy for CH to just do it on enemy equipment

 

[H3110l12345I20]

1. What's going on with the Social Influencing additions' references? Are you checking their verifiability or did you not get around to just adding them in yet, asking since I don't want to interfere with that without knowing first.

Long story short, lots of IRL and other hobby stuff. I'll still check them given the time.

2. Wouldn't Information Analysis and Technological Damage and Disablement be changed to Active instead of Conditional? Information analysis was initially a thing with face recognition and such, but Google lens makes it like any other information analysis-ability-through-an-item ability.

Yes.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Since DarlingAurora made such a good list to CRT, I'll copy-paste her and my replies with her permission since she didn't initially know about this thread:

Spoiler: Reply1

I'm gonna revise some things of Composite Human.

Base stats:

• lifting strength: if it brokens the peak human then need a revision because humans can't pass their limits without an standard change.
• not intergalactic range: it's an telescophe and I don't see how it's an range to attack for the same reason as why nails or long hair doesn't count.
• iowa-class battleships: I don't agree with them scaling at 150 kt because it seems to untruthful with baseless source. these ships can survive to explosions but to an torpedo with an energy equivalent to an nuclear bomb? I don't think so and not even an source to respald it.

base human ch powers:

• sound manipulation: I think it's minor. Yeah, it sound manip but she can do it for 3 seconds only and an earplug can evade it and is around the decibels of an gunshot, so it's just an minor sound manip.
• electricity absorption: it's not that impressive because normal human can wield 100-250 volts and it's not absorption at all.
• animal manipulation: i don't think that's is animal manipulation but some social influecing and development.
• acid manipulation: I don't think that's count as an power because every living thing has acid inside their stomatch
• extrasensory perception: i don't think that qualifies, as in the page says that's most of detect energy or matter signatures.

ch resistances:
- electric resistance: this need to be removed because volts doesn't normally kill you, but amps does and you are sure that this doesn't apply to what wikipedia says?

• Assuming a steady current flow (as opposed to a shock from a capacitor or from static electricity), shocks above 2,700 volts are often fatal, with those above 11,000 volts being usually fatal, though exceptional cases have been noted.

Also, the original source says this:

• Human electricity insulator Deepak Jangra can apparently resist the same amount of voltage required to power 500 houses and even sit with his hands inside a tub of water along with naked live wires.

Even the comments debunks this:

1. It's not the number of volts, per se, that kills, but the amperage. Voltage is a measure of quantity, Amps of the pressure. If someone chucks a bucket of water over you, result is a wet shirt. The same amount of water from a high-pressure fire-hose can break ribs or kill you.
2. Amps kill, not volts. Go and stick your finger in a spark plug lead on your car, that's about 10,000v, but no amps so feels no different than a muscle toning machine on high . I hope this lad doesn't take off those rubber flip flops, any high amp/volts would leave burns on the way in and out.

• empathic manipulation: not enough, they still feel emotions but less, so no resistence.
• fear manipulation: this is false, not resistance of fear.
  • Research has revealed that S.M. is not immune to all fear
• physical possession: how this is resistance against supernatural posession? it's not, btw source deleted.
• radiation: pretty I already explained why this is minor, but let's see. he take great levels of radiation by time before dying out, and his body adapted by it through 20 years before dying out by it. So I think is very impressive but minor fills it better because it can still kill the human.
• sleep inducement: not verified and debunked by record guiness, max time is 18 days via effort and it had consequences.

drugs resistance:

• llusion creation: uhm, almost is not enough and this is an bit vague for an human to resist illusions.
• mental statistics reduction: okay but I feel this is an bit redudant, it's just empathic biological manipulation; the same thing.

with technology:

• air manipulation: this pretty vague for air manipulation and they can't control it.
• clairvoyance: this is not, since is not by supernatural means, meaning if an person is hidden in an place that has not electricity or something, CH can't find it.
• illusion creation via drugs: as I say before this is just biological empathic manip.
• levitation: this is not levitation? it doesn't even work in water & human with technology already has flight so it is unnecesary.
• mind manipulation: it's not, it's just biological empathic manipulation for chemicals, not mindhax.
• purification (type 3): isn't this only type 1? It's most based on chemical things
• retrocognition: this is cleary not retrocognition, the own page says that is via an magical method.
• statistics reduction: Nah, I think this is just status inducement than an actual reduction. I know things like estrogen reduces strength and increase body fat but nothing instantly.
• damage reduction: I don't see it either, it's just an armor not any power or drug that reduces their damage.

Here's my first line of defense:

Spoiler: Defense replies1

lifting strength: if it brokens the peak human then need a revision because humans can't pass their limits without an standard change.

That's more of a fault of the staff shortage. The LS levels aren't really up to standards and as a result, it's Class 1 when it should be peak human. So you're also going to have a minor revision on the JBW LS stuff to change this.

not intergalactic range: it's an telescophe and I don't see how it's an range to attack for the same reason as why nails or long hair doesn't count.

"Range is a measurement that refers to how far that the attacks or abilities of a certain character, weapon, or otherwise, can efficiently reach on their/its own."

I had trouble dealing with telescopes on range because of the end part, though I was more convinced by Justanormallemon's reasoning on if the telescope can reach stuff on it's own.

What should we do here if the max range is wrong?

iowa-class battleships: I don't agree with them scaling at 150 kt because it seems to untruthful with baseless source. these ships can survive to explosions but to an torpedo with an energy equivalent to an nuclear bomb? I don't think so and not even an source to respald it.

Well, that's one of the best sources I could find on the battleship's durability. "Iowa-class Battleships have a hull with significant protection and absorption of torpedo warhead explosions" and this fact is vague on it's own.

If not the nuke stuff, then...
A: What has the ship shown to withstand on it's hull
B: If we don't have the information for "A", then what should we rate the battleship hull's durability?

• sound manipulation: I think it's minor. Yeah, it sound manip but she can do it for 3 seconds only and an earplug can evade it and is around the decibels of an gunshot, so it's just an minor sound manip.
• electricity absorption: it's not that impressive because normal human can wield 100-250 volts and it's not absorption at all.

Click to expand...

Agree.

• animal manipulation: i don't think that's is animal manipulation but some social influecing and development.

The animal manip is conditional since they use operant conditioning. With that, they can summon, control and withdraw the animal if necessary. Plus, animal SI has already been suggested on the profile.

acid manipulation: I don't think that's count as an power because every living thing has acid inside their stomatch

The real deal here is that Michael Lotito (if that's what you're talking about) has a power above average the normal person. "Michael Lotito has a stomach lining twice as thick as a normal person's stomach lining, allowing him to eat things that would be indigestible to normal people"

There would be a major dispute on this area here.

extrasensory perception: i don't think that qualifies, as in the page says that's most of detect energy or matter signatures.

Pattern recognition extends to subtle matter signs around you. Explain how that's not ESP.

- electric resistance: this need to be removed because volts doesn't normally kill you, but amps does and you are sure that this doesn't apply to what wikipedia says?

• Assuming a steady current flow (as opposed to a shock from a capacitor or from static electricity), shocks above 2,700 volts are often fatal, with those above 11,000 volts being usually fatal, though exceptional cases have been noted.

Also, the original source says this:

• Human electricity insulator Deepak Jangra can apparently resist the same amount of voltage required to power 500 houses and even sit with his hands inside a tub of water along with naked live wires.

Even the comments debunks this:

1. It's not the number of volts, per se, that kills, but the amperage. Voltage is a measure of quantity, Amps of the pressure. If someone chucks a bucket of water over you, result is a wet shirt. The same amount of water from a high-pressure fire-hose can break ribs or kill you.
2. Amps kill, not volts. Go and stick your finger in a spark plug lead on your car, that's about 10,000v, but no amps so feels no different than a muscle toning machine on high . I hope this lad doesn't take off those rubber flip flops, any high amp/volts would leave burns on the way in and out.

Click to expand...

Well, do we have evidence that 16-year-old 'electric boy' from India was wet or the amps was low for the boy? The fact that the boy is a part of the exceptional cases strengthens his feat to an extent.

empathic manipulation: not enough, they still feel emotions but less, so no resistence.

I mean, the emotions felt less is unquantifiable. Agree.

physical possession: how this is resistance against supernatural posession? it's not, btw source deleted.

You do realize this note is on the profile: "

• All references and links are backed up in either in the WABAC Machine, Webpage archive, or Ghostarchive. Archive links of videos are still in the references since they're more likely to succumb to link rot.

"
I'll relink you to the archived version: "Gatekeeper alter This type of alter has the job of keeping traumatized alters from appearing. [16]:58 They may also hold back memories or control which alters can take control of the body, and when. [9]:54"

radiation: pretty I already explained why this is minor, but let's see. he take great levels of radiation by time before dying out, and his body adapted by it through 20 years before dying out by it. So I think is very impressive but minor fills it better because it can still kill the human.

Agree.

sleep inducement: not verified and debunked by record guiness, max time is 18 days via effort and it had consequences.

(Last one to respond to before sleeping) Well. The basis for Thai Ngoc's feat is that medical professionals weren't able to prove that he slept. And I noted that Guinness uses an application process to record their records on the CH profile.

"Guinness has their it's world record application process to confirm world records"

So in cases like these, you're saying to trust Guinness. Like, who was recording the world record for longest person that hasn't slept ever. Guinness and Ngoc's news article's process to getting the information and who got to it should be factored here too. Who recorded the world record for longest time without sleep?

So in cases like these, you're saying to trust Guinness. Like, who was recording the world record for longest person that hasn't slept ever. Guinness and Ngoc's news article's process to getting the information and who got to it should be factored here too. Who recorded the world record for longest time without sleep?

Cont. from here;

Like, which source should we trust?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Will continue after school for more replies.

drugs resistance:

• llusion creation: uhm, almost is not enough and this is an bit vague for an human to resist illusions.
• mental statistics reduction: okay but I feel this is an bit redudant, it's just empathic biological manipulation; the same thing.

I think you came in critizing these abilities without completely understanding what depressants are. They're literally linked to their definitions on the profile.

If your mental abilities make a person 95% resistent to supernatural fear manip, that's technically within definition of resistance. As fear manip having barely any effect wouldn't hamper a guy with 95% resistance to it very hard. I don't see why this logic wouldn't apply here.

Psychadelics cause illusions on a biological level, that's the point. Depressants slow down the nervous system and some have been shown to start in , that's the point of stat reduction. And didn't the source mention this:

"Some depressants may work instantly, with effects only lasting for a short time (such as inhalants). While for other depressants, it may take longer for the effects to start and may be slower to wear off."

fear manipulation: this is false, not resistance of fear.

• Research has revealed that S.M. is not immune to all fear

The problem with case studies is that they may not be representative of a entire population. And they may be an outlier.

And the original profile acknowledges cases like these (the person like all the others only seems to fear suffocation).

It's just that the numereous cases of people like S. M. have very good feats of little-to-no fear in people in the most life-threatening situations when they shouldn't. These people fear only specific areas, while they don't in others.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I still agree with the Electricity Absorption being there. The person is able to power things with that ability without actually being electrocuted themselves. Is that not just what Electricity Absorption is able to do. CH could theoretically use this to their advantage to power certain devices of their own if they absorb (non-lethal even for CH) electricity through their hand.

As for Clairvoyance, the page for it says, "This can be manifested through a variety of different means, but are generally invoked through magical or psychic powers". Same goes with Retrocognition and Damage Reduction. Those don't have to necessarily be through any magical means, the page just says that they often come from that.

For Type 3 Purification; "This form of purification cleanses those of status effects, including poisons, paralysis, confusion, sleep, and various other status effects." The page doesn't outline these status effects as necessarily having to be magically inflicted or through game mechanics as DarlingAurora I assume sees, meaning medical procedures can technically remove various status effects such as a couple that the Purification page outlines specifically.

I also think Sound Manipulation should stay at base, because characters don't usually have earplugs as part of their equipment lol, and they'd have to know beforehand since CH can just scream at a moment's notice. The scream itself only lasting 3 seconds isn't too much bitter since Jill is able to get sound at a similar level just on a whim. In addition, a gunshot only lasts for about half a second and can still damage ears. Jill can scream for over twice as long, and her loudest scream is at a level that can instantly cause hearing loss

 

[DarlingAurora]

If your mental abilities make a person 95% resistent to supernatural fear manip, that's technically within definition of resistance. As fear manip having barely any effect wouldn't hamper a guy with 95% resistance to it very hard. I don't see why this logic wouldn't apply here.

Psychadelics cause illusions on a biological level, that's the point. Depressants slow down the nervous system and some have been shown to start in , that's the point of stat reduction.

I can see the illusion creation, but the resistance by their own is redudant because it's just limited to drugs and nothing else.

Nope, the stats reduction page says that's not true and I think you are confusing it with Status Effect Inducement.

The problem with case studies is that they may not be representative of a entire population. And they may be an outlier.

I don't think so, since I didn't see any source of an human lacking the very fear in their own.

• Fear is a natural and biological condition that we all experience

 

[DarlingAurora]

I still agree with the Electricity Absorption being there. The person is able to power things with that ability without actually being electrocuted themselves. Is that not just what Electricity Absorption is able to do. CH could theoretically use this to their advantage to power certain devices of their own if they absorb (non-lethal even for CH) electricity through their hand.

The source by it's own is doubtful and I didn't see any source of an human surviving to thousands of amps.

As for Clairvoyance, the page for it says, "This can be manifested through a variety of different means, but are generally invoked through magical or psychic powers". Same goes with Retrocognition and Damage Reduction. Those don't have to necessarily be through any magical means, the page just says that they often come from that.

• I already explained why Clairvoyance doesn't work. They can't find anyone if they are hide in unknown places.
• How an camera is retrocognition? And no, the own page says that's an supernatural power and not by conventional means. This is like giving retrocognition to someone who records with an phone.
• How we can give damage reduction to someone with an armor? Pretty sure that's just durability and nothing more.

For Type 3 Purification; "This form of purification cleanses those of status effects, including poisons, paralysis, confusion, sleep, and various other status effects." The page doesn't outline these status effects as necessarily having to be magically inflicted or through game mechanics as DarlingAurora I assume sees, meaning medical procedures can technically remove various status effects such as a couple that the Purification page outlines specifically.

Check the page.

• Material purification is a form purification that removes poisons, pollutants, and materials from a certain object or substance. An example of this would be melting the ore of a metal to get its pure form or using reverse osmosis to purify water.

That's the meaning of antidotes, and I don't see any capable of cure many sustances nor can heal people in an instant. It's just Purification Type 1.

I also think Sound Manipulation should stay at base, because characters don't usually have earplugs as part of their equipment lol, and they'd have to know beforehand since CH can just scream at a moment's notice. The scream itself only lasting 3 seconds isn't too much bitter since Jill is able to get sound at a similar level just on a whim. In addition, a gunshot only lasts for about half a second and can still damage ears. Jill can scream for over twice as long, and her loudest scream is at a level that can instantly cause hearing loss

It's just an the ear damage level and It's not that impressive scream at sirens level. I think it's minor due to that.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Btw, agree for CH's nerf on their sleep stamina.

I can see the illusion creation, but the resistance by their own is redudant because it's just limited to drugs and nothing else.

Bruh. That's the point of the subsection. (

• Drugs and their Status Effects (Has the strongest tolerance to any drug built a tolerance to, including any aliments that would come from them[45])
  • Biological Empathic Manipulation (Can gain a tolerance to the effects of cocaine[46])
  • Illusion Creation (Has a high tolerance to psychedelic drugs to the point that the effects of psychedelics are almost completely diminished[47])
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 1; Has a tolerance to the effects of cocaine,[46] which includes paranoia, delusions, and suicidal and homicidal thoughts)
  • Mental Statistics Reduction (Has the highest tolerance to depressants in real life; André the Giant was able to drink 119 12-ounce beers in 6 hours before passing out,[48] and said on another occasion that he drank 117 beers[49][Note 7])

)
There's forwarded bullets in this area to show the wide array of status effects the drugs can cause. If we want, we can slap "Biological" at the start of each of these subabilities.

Nope, the stats reduction page says that's not true and I think you are confusing it with Status Effect Inducement.

You're missing the point. Status effects are a wide variety of ailments that can be inflicted. Statistics Reduction is lowering the parameters of opponents, often but not always temporarily. Stat reduction can be a sub resistance in the drug resistance section because slowing down the nervous system can slow down your full physical and mental potential.

Since we don't have all day, I'll list and bold the stat effects that slow down stuff from the link here from the actual page.
"
In general, when small to low doses of depressants are taken, the following effects may be experienced:

• reduced inhibitions
• enhanced mood
• reduced anxiety and stress
• slowed reaction time
• impaired judgement
• slowed breathing
• increased risk of accident or injury.1

Higher doses can result in:​

• impaired judgement and coordination
• vomiting
• irregular or shallow breathing
• blackouts and memory loss
• unconsciousness
• coma
• death.1

"
Even aliments like impaired judgement and coordination can mean a reduction in these areas.

If that's not lowering parameters, then what is stat reduction really.

I don't think so, since I didn't see any source of an human lacking the very fear in their own.

• Fear is a natural and biological condition that we all experience

We don't the ture extent of how our brains process fear, though we know the amygdala and adrenal glands play a substantial role in it.

I thought I'm being played by my memory, though there's an explanation for why SM isn't afraid of a mugger while she gets afraid of suffocation.
"The authors note that all of the other fear-inducing experiences that they tried generally involved external threats, with menaces like snakes or scary strangers that have to be sensed by organs like the eyes and the ears and indicate possible dangers. In contrast, carbon dioxide is detected as a sign of a threat coming from within the body— a lack of oxygen. Systems devoted to detecting internal states like lack of air may not rely on the amygdala to cause fear, utilizing other regions instead."

So it's more of a limited resistance.
"

• air manipulation: this pretty vague for air manipulation and they can't control it.
• clairvoyance: this is not, since is not by supernatural means, meaning if an person is hidden in an place that has not electricity or something, CH can't find it.
• levitation: this is not levitation? it doesn't even work in water & human with technology already has flight so it is unnecesary.
• purification (type 3): isn't this only type 1? It's most based on chemical things
• retrocognition: this is cleary not retrocognition, the own page says that is via an magical method.
• damage reduction: I don't see it either, it's just an armor not any power or drug that reduces their damage."

The reason why the air manip is there is because they can lift up heavy objects via a small cushion of air. There would have to be at least one person to get hovercrafts from land to water via air for transportation reasons. What makes you think they can't control it? Who's skirting the craft in the scan here if humans aren't activating the air stuff?

Fair game. Cameras on their own should be more into the enhanced senses section since it gives the user more sight in their capabilities.

If it's not levitation, then why is the hoverboard hovering above the ground? That's still restricted flight on the official flight page.

Type 3 purification is removing an entity from contaminants that are status effects. Chemicals, antidotes and treatments can get rid of status effects like poison, and that's on the purification page. "Purification can also be used to remove status effects...This form of purification cleanses those of status effects, including poisons, paralysis, confusion, sleep, and various other status effects."

? "Retrocognition can be utilised through various methods, it may be done through Time Manipulation, through Extrasensory Perception, through Psychometry, or through some unspecified magical means. But it is most commonly associated with Clairvoyance and Extrasensory Perception."
Where does the Retrocognition page say that it needs to be magical? May, and "most commonly associated" doesn't mean that the ability needs to be magical. If Retrocog required ESP like clairvoyance, fair game. This isn't one of these cases.

Interesting case. Body armor can reduce the damage since they reduce guns' piercing ability and blunt force damage by design, and medieval body armor reduces the cutting capability of swords and slashing weapons drastically. "How well a panel absorbs and disperses the energyof the bullet is key to its ability to reduce bluntforce injury to the body resulting from bullets thatdo not perforate an armor (pdf pg 16)".

• It can be argued that the design of body armor, shields, etc reduces the damage the user can take in some areas. Why not damage reduction and durability at the same time? This isn't doublethink stuff.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

This.

? "There aren't as many people that edited the durability for real life vehicle profiles current standards as of September 2023, real life vehicles' durability are scaled to the best attacks they can survive or withstand if information on the latter is possible. It's also stated by staff that it would be inaccurate to scale vehicles to their fragmentation energy."

There's already fragmentation energy of the battleship on the CH profile.

Seems like social influecing, it's not that CH can control an bear by their own.

• Control can be carried out at the expense of empathy, or effects on the mind, and with a special magic.

Summoning takes so long and pretty sure that needs another animal for recipient.

I'll reduce it to other terms. Animal Manip is conditional since the animals require training.

"Can be carried out" doesn't mean need to be carried out.

We're looking at definitions, not just the potency of an ability. Ok, let's say I want to concede, where on the GManimal wikipedia page does it say that it takes very long.

As I say he can't use acid by his own, it's like giving acid manipulation to an big animal.

Well, it's still a powerful passive ability. It's effectively peak human digestion.

The main problem I had at the start with indexing Lotito's feat is that superhuman digestion isn't on the main site. Not whether he could manipulate his acid at all.

It's cool but the own wiki doesn't accept DID has multiple selves because it's an controversial disorder, so is not posession.

I did get into this same position. I haven't seen/heard of a legitamate multiple selves ability of 2 or more alters. You can still have one alter preventing physical possession of something and not have more than 1 alter be beneficial.

I mean, the own source is doubtful and it's not confirmed by record guiness. It could've just that the amps were low because he just received volts only, this debunks the entire segment.

This debunk says "could've" without presenting proof that the amps could be very low. Not to mention that Guinness ironically has the highest voltage electric shock survived, though we don't know if the person withstood it.

I think it needs to be an supernatural energy, so it's enhanced senses.

• Extrasensory should mean beyond the five senses (and other extra mundane and physical senses) rather than an enhanced version of the five
• Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user.

Fair game.

Just replace with the maximum range of attack by an human technology.

Well, the telescopes reach by light coming into it. So I'm more inclined to remove telescopes. Though what is really the farthest reaching technology on their own. It doesn't have to be an attack by the page's standard. It can be an ability.

 

[DarlingAurora]

You're missing the point. Status effects are a wide variety of ailments that can be inflicted. Statistics Reduction is lowering the parameters of opponents, often but not always temporarily. Stat reduction can be a sub resistance in the drug resistance section because slowing down the nervous system can slow down your full physical and mental potential.

• The effects of Statistics Reduction are entirely restricted to reducing the raw stats of one's opponent. The ability to eliminate the special powers of one's opponent should be listed under Power Nullification. Adding additional inhibiting effects, such as poison or paralysis, should be listed under Status Effect Inducement.
  
  • The functional inverse of Statistics Amplification, Statistics Reduction reduces the overall parameters of one's opponent, such as physical or magical strength, defense, or speed, to hamper their fighting capabilities.

I don't see any mental thing, stadistics reduction doesn't qualify as it and it's more of an mental reduction via status inducement, it doesn't make someone more weak or something like that.

"The authors note that all of the other fear-inducing experiences that they tried generally involved external threats, with menaces like snakes or scary strangers that have to be sensed by organs like the eyes and the ears and indicate possible dangers. In contrast, carbon dioxide is detected as a sign of a threat coming from within the body— a lack of oxygen. Systems devoted to detecting internal states like lack of air may not rely on the amygdala to cause fear, utilizing other regions instead."

So it's more of a limited resistance.

Yeah, limited fear manipulation seems good.

The reason why the air manip is there is because they can lift up heavy objects via a small cushion of air. There would have to be at least one person to get hovercrafts from land to water via air for transportation reasons. What makes you think they can't control it? Who's skirting the craft in the scan here if humans aren't activating the air stuff?

I think it's pretty limited, since only works like transportation and they can't control air as an attack or something like that. This without counting that everything is via preparation.

If it's not levitation, then why is the hoverboard hovering above the ground? That's still restricted flight on the official flight page.

Oh okay, but I just think that's pretty weak reason. An better example would be an jetpack for example, but still limited.

Type 3 purification is removing an entity from contaminants that are status effects. Chemicals, antidotes and treatments can get rid of status effects like poison, and that's on the purification page. "Purification can also be used to remove status effects...This form of purification cleanses those of status effects, including poisons, paralysis, confusion, sleep, and various other status effects."

Mmh, yeah I agree. Though you can note that it's via conventional.

? "Retrocognition can be utilised through various methods, it may be done through Time Manipulation, through Extrasensory Perception, through Psychometry, or through some unspecified magical means. But it is most commonly associated with Clairvoyance and Extrasensory Perception."
Where does the Retrocognition page say that it needs to be magical? May, and "most commonly associated" doesn't mean that the ability needs to be magical. If Retrocog required ESP like clairvoyance, fair game. This isn't one of these cases.

I mean, we can't give it just due to an camera footage. Also:

• The term clairvoyance is generally defined as the ability to gain information about an object, person, location or physical event through extrasensory perception.

The page speaks in their own.

Interesting case. Body armor can reduce the damage since they reduce guns' piercing ability and blunt force damage by design, and medieval body armor reduces the cutting capability of swords and slashing weapons drastically. "How well a panel absorbs and disperses the energyof the bullet is key to its ability to reduce bluntforce injury to the body resulting from bullets thatdo not perforate an armor (pdf pg 16)".

• It can be argued that the design of body armor, shields, etc reduces the damage the user can take in some areas. Why not damage reduction and durability at the same time? This isn't doublethink stuff.

I don't think this is an standard. The damage reduction works as an ability but what protects someone is the durability of the armor itself.

? "There aren't as many people that edited the durability for real life vehicle profiles current standards as of September 2023, real life vehicles' durability are scaled to the best attacks they can survive or withstand if information on the latter is possible. It's also stated by staff that it would be inaccurate to scale vehicles to their fragmentation energy."

There's already fragmentation energy of the battleship on the CH profile.

Then try to scale by their size alone or what can survive at most, I think that's the point of the Large Building level thing. And the fragmentation energy can still be used, but just as an note and not full durability (Check M1 Abrams page).

I'll reduce it to other terms. Animal Manip is conditional since the animals require training.

It's not, since animal training is not animal manipulation. Though you can add an limited animal manipulation via ADN creation.

The other is just conventional biologic manipulation.

Well, it's still a powerful passive ability. It's effectively peak human digestion.

The main problem I had at the start with indexing Lotito's feat is that superhuman digestion isn't on the main site. Not whether he could manipulate his acid at all.

Like I say, big animals also has this so I don't think it works at all.

I did get into this same position. I haven't seen/heard of a legitamate multiple selves ability of 2 or more alters. You can still have one alter preventing physical possession of something and not have more than 1 alter be beneficial.

Yeah, since the wiki doesn't accept it I think needs to be removed.

This debunk says "could've" without presenting proof that the amps could be very low. Not to mention that Guinness ironically has the highest voltage electric shock survived, though we don't know if the person withstood it.

Yeah, we don't even know and it seems pure luck.

As I say, the boy survived due to the volts and the source doesn't prove that he survived that much quantity of amps.

• The real measure of a shock's intensity lies in the amount of current (amperes) forced through the body, and not the voltage. Any electrical device used on a house wiring circuit can, under certain conditions, transmit a fatal current.

Human can survive up to 11,000 volts in specific conditions, so I guess that this needs to be removed.

Well, the telescopes reach by light coming into it. So I'm more inclined to remove telescopes. Though what is really the farthest reaching technology on their own. It doesn't have to be an attack by the page's standard. It can be an ability.

Oki-

1. Light Absorption: It's super limited and redudant, only affecting 6.63e-7 meters.
2. Limited Power Nullification: Nope, that doesn't negate anyone power or ability and it's only Status Effect Inducement.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

The source by it's own is doubtful and I didn't see any source of an human surviving to thousands of amps.

The source is based off of this, which states that the Haerbin Industry University's physics labs did tests to check if what he did was true, and he was invigorated by the electricity, they even say that he took no physical damage from power-lines. The source I gave before directly comes from the Beijing Sci-Tech Report, which is one of the oldest publishers of technology in China, and is a trendsetter publisher. It seems pretty trustworthy.

 

[DarlingAurora]

The source is based off of this, which states that the Haerbin Industry University's physics labs did tests to check if what he did was true, and he was invigorated by the electricity, they even say that he took no physical damage from power-lines. The source I gave before directly comes from the Beijing Sci-Tech Report, which is one of the oldest publishers of technology in China, and is a trendsetter publisher. It seems pretty trustworthy.

It seems interesing. Though I don't think is absorption but due to him getting electrocutated and due to his body supporting that, causes the bulb to glow. Also he can't pass the 220 volts range.

But I don't find any study more than blogs claiming that, I'm still not sure and that page appears as insecure (at least to me).

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

The source says that the tests were only to check if he could truly withstand that many volts, and they confirmed it. But they also went further and figured out that his resistance to electricity was 7 to 8x more than an average person. If we assume the average they said was 50 volts, and use the low end of that resistance, that would still be 350 volts which is pretty cool and reasonable, given he straight up tanks 220 volt electricity as if it were nothing. I think at a minimum his example wouldn't be impressive electricity resistance, but his ability to absorb electricity in the first place could be useful for CH if they aren't fighting someone who has like building level electricity attacks, but CH usually doesn't fight characters that strong by themselves without equipment

Also the air umbrella that actually works. Though I still agree it's limited air manip. I don't think there's any useful fans out there that can blow a person off their feet.

 

[DarlingAurora]

The source says that the tests were only to check if he could truly withstand that many volts, and they confirmed it. But they also went further and figured out that his resistance to electricity was 7 to 8x more than an average person. If we assume the average they said was 50 volts, and use the low end of that resistance, that would still be 350 volts

Uhm I think you are confusing things okay... the source says that the man can withstand 220 volts in his body, not more.

About the 7-8x times, the resistance of an human means ohms.

The ohm is defined as an electrical resistance between two points of a conductor when a constant potential difference of one volt (V), applied to these points, produces in the conductor a current of one ampere (A), the conductor not being the seat of any electromotive force.

For example an average human as an electric resistence from 100 kΩ (if the skin is dry) to 1kΩ (if it's wet).

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Now in the case that you say, the human has an great resistance to electricity but what really kills the human are the amperes.

It is not the Voltage that can kill humans, it is the current that kills. Humans have died at as low as 42 volts. Time is also a factor. A current of 0.1 ampere for a mere 2 seconds can be fatal. As Voltage = Current x Resistance the current depends on body resistance.

That's why he can resist these volts, because Ma Xiangang has an body resistance of 800kΩ, while an shock of 11,000 volts is fatal for an human.

• Human Body: 11,000 Volts / 100kΩ = 0.11 Amperees (Death)
• Ma Xiangang: 11,000 Volts / 800kΩ = 0.01375 Amperees (Painful shock, muscular paralysis)

Yeah.. It's still very impressive after all.

Also the air umbrella that actually works. Though I still agree it's limited air manip. I don't think there's any useful fans out there that can blow a person off their feet.

I agree with limited