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Comic Garou vs Shadow the hedgehog

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ElixirBlue said:
Garou’s cosmic radiation isn’t special or bypasses resistance. Shadow and other Sonic characters, don’t develop anything from being exposed to it, no matter how long they are bare naked out there. Bang can withstand the radiation with willpower and he has no prior resistance to cosmic radiation.
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Bang showing resistance to the passive radiation, would be a feat for him, no proof for that Garou's radiation won't effect Shadow. Also note that it was said that Bang would straight up die if he got too close to Garou.

Shadow's resistance to the typical cosmic radiation, but Garou's is worse than that. Qawsedf234 calculated it out in another threat involving a character who has the same resistance as Shadow and you know what they found? That Garou's radiation levels exceed that level of resistance about 350,000 times over.
 
"Garou’s cosmic radiation isn’t special or bypasses resistance. Shadow and other Sonic characters, don’t develop anything from being exposed to it, no matter how long they are bare naked out there. Bang can withstand the radiation with willpower and he has no prior resistance to cosmic radiation."

Bang was only able to stand there for a minute at most due to his willpower. We see him dead like a page after.

Garou's radiation far surpasses any resistance Shadow has.

Astronauts in the ISS are only exposed to about 50 to 2,000 msv during their time in space. To cause immediate hair loss and blood vomiting the level would have to be about 10,000 msv with death being almost inevitable within weeks. If exposure causes victims to fall asleep aka coma, such as what Garou did and if we low-balled the S-class being in Garou's presence to be over 3 minutes from the time he arrived, they would've been exposed to about 60,000 to 70,000 msv. Even being exposed to the Chernobyl reactor core for 10 minutes after the meltdown only reaches 50,000 msv. If the S-class were in Garou's presence between 2 min to a couple of seconds then exposure would be about 80,000 to 100,000 msv.

Keep in mind time and amount of exposure factor into these numbers. Like being exposed to 2,000 msv over an hour is worse than being exposed to 2,000 msv over a year.
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  • Being on a plane: 0.001 mSv a hour
  • Natural background radiation someone from the US will receive: 0.1 mSv a year
  • A chest X-Ray: 1.2 mSv
  • The US limit for Nuclear Workers: 50 mSv a year
  • The radiation that Chernobyl Recovery workers were it by: 170 mSv
  • Unshielded radiation levels in space: 400-900 mSv a year
  • 800 rads (8 grays) for consistently fatal ranges of radiation death within 7-28 days even with top medical care = 8,000 mSv
  • 1,000 rads (Confirmed threshold for acute radiation syndrome) = 10,000 mSv
  • Radiation received by people when Chernobyl went critical: 16,000 mSv
  • >3,000 rads (30 grays) range where the person usually dies within 24-48 hours due to radiation exposure and organ failure = 30,000 mSv
  • 5,000 rads (50 gray) range where the nervous system shuts down due to radiation damaging how bio-electricity moves through your body = 50,000 mSv
So basically being in outer space is about 4,000 times the radiation levels of a standard human. Being given a lethal dose of radiation within minutes would indicate about 40 to 125 times that radiation output (well maybe not since unshielded radiation is per year while that level of radiation was only a couple minutes/seconds of exposure).
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Garou's Radiation (At least 80,000 msv) >>>>>> Being in space (400 msv)

Humans who can withstand 50 msv without issues have major problems when dealing with radiation levels reaching 170 msv. That's a gap of 3.4x.

The gap between Garou's passive radiation levels and Shadow's are over 200x. Garou is killing Shadow near instantly.
 
C2_of_Omegon said:
Bang showing resistance to the passive radiation, would be a feat for him, no proof for that Garou's radiation won't effect Shadow. Also note that it was said that Bang would straight up die if he got too close to Garou.
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Bang isn't resisting. He is only sustaining with sheer effort. Even Blast is saying Bang is not resisting.
 
Greenshifter said:
On what is this based exactly?
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These are the comparisons/calcs:

A human will receive 0.1 mSv a year or 0.0000114 mSv per hour
On a plane you'll receive 0.001 mSv per hour (about 87.719x the amount on the ground)
In outer space you'll receive 0.045 mSv to 0.102 per hour (about 3,947.368 to 8,947.368x the amount on the ground)
Garou's exposure, we'll say its similar to that of Chernobyl, is 16,000 mSv per hour or 1,403,508,771.929x that on ground level or 350,000 times more potent than the cosmic radiation Kaguya would be exposed to.
 
Garou also caused a few nuclear explosions in the area, so not all of the effects the heroes are experiencing can be chalked up to his passive radiation.
 
ElixirBlue said:
They are busy wanking Garou.
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Doing a bad job at it too, you don't even wanna know how I actually see this battle playing out.

3,000 rads (30 grays) range where the person usually dies within 24-48 hours due to radiation exposure and organ failure = 30,000 mSv
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The particle-beam cannon should be above this due to what it does to the flesh I presume. This also means that Shadow's resistance is above the radiation received by people when Chernobyl went critical. Which is what people are comparing Garou's passive radiation to. I'd be generous and say that Garou is actually at 50,000 mSv but that's not enough of a difference to matter in this fight considering how fast it will be over (and since the particle-beam cannon is implied to be able to insta-kill it could also be at 50,000 mSv).
 
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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Radiation is natural. Diseases and other things caused by radiation are natural as well. The only difference is that it's not virus or bacteria related
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This is legitimately one of the most baffling people things I’ve read on the wiki. “Death by otherworldly cosmic radiation” is not a natural cause. This isn’t a matter of a rule being vague, it’s you being purposefully obtuse.

When people say ‘he died of natural causes’, you know damn ******* well they’re not saying “he died of natural earthly phenomena”. You’re being thick on purpose.
 
Aye, don't know if you noticed but we all moved on from that topic, in fact your post is supposed to get deleted as stated by an admin up above.
 
Look, we can move on from that topic because we've put it bed. If it's so bad that it needs to be discussed let's move that to a CRT.
 
Please focus on everything that isn't the Type 1 discussion, please.
 
Shadow was made to cure NIDS which is a super ultra rare disease that isn't curable through normal means
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Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome

My condition… can't be treated yet. I have a good days and bad days. Right now I'm okay! On the bad days… sometimes I can't see. Sometimes it's hard to move, or to hold things, or to think clearly. It can be very scary and frustrating.Maria Robotnik, Shadow Generations Neuro-Immune Deficiency...
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If that means anything, I didn't read the full debate
 
Doesnt ionising radiation also work on the micro quantum level as well? Im not sure if matter manip resistance will help shadow there.
Also bangs resistance is just a feat of willpower and even he eventually died anyway, just took a little longer. It doesnt change the fact that garous attacks can endanger the entire planet with radiation and passively kills everyone in his radius within a couple minutes or whether shadow can resist that or not.
 
Not too mention that Antimatter resistance wouldn't necessarily help either. Resisting antimatter means that you're not consumed in a matter-antimatter annihilation event that trigger when the two meet. That doesn't protect you from the gamma radiation such an event triggers. It's like if you're durable enough to survive a nuke but die from radiation poisoning from the fallout.
 
C2_of_Omegon said:
That doesn't protect you from the gamma radiation such an event triggers. It's like if you're durable enough to survive a nuke but die from radiation poisoning from the fallout.
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Iirc the AoE of the antimatter cannon is big enough to hit both Shadow and the ground, so he’d resist both.

Also my reasoning was more-so reliant on it being more difficult to create something biological that resists anti-matter than something that resists very high amounts of radiation.
 
C2_of_Omegon said:
Ok, but then it's a question of how much radiation is produced and how that compares to Garou's outputs.
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I still question why the amount matters. Shadow resists Cosmic Radiation normally and from what I've seen, Garou's Cosmic Radiation only speeds up the effects of Cosmic Radiation, not bypass resistances to it.

We don't say Biological Manipulation cause bypass Inorganic Physiology without feats (which some verses do that) just because Biological Manip happens quickly.
 
Thats not exactly a relevant comparison. Inorganic physiology would resist it due to you having no biology to begin with. Shadow has no reason to be fully immune to every kind of radiation manip. If shadow has shown to resist cosmic radiation, but it were thousand times less than what garou can perform, then hes obviously not gonna resist. Radiation like that isnt gonna magically get stopped by the tiniest bit of resistance because it hasnt bypassed anyone before.

Generally though he just needs to resist radiation thatd be capable of quickly killing people who are exposed to it or causing extreme nuclear fallout so...
 
Since some of you don't seem to understand how resistances work, so I will explain for you.

1. Resistance =/= Immunity
  • Resistance by definition is limited, Immunity is not. Someone can only resist levels that they have been shown to resist. Saying otherwise falls under No Limits Fallacy
2. Layers
  • Layers mean that someone was able to effect someone with something who has a resistance to said thing. Layers can go as high as shown. Someone who has 0 layers of resistance gets negged by someone who has been shown to bypass layers.
3. Resistance to "X" doesn't mean you can neg all types of "X"
  • For example: Someone who has resistance to Cosmic Radiation does not bean that they can neg Cosmic Radiation layers and hundreds of times the amount they've been shown to be able to resist.

Now that we've gotten this out of the way, we should all now understand that Shadow has no answer to Garou's radiation. If a difference of 3.4x radiation resistance would make someone almost die, then a difference of 200x would kill them near instantly.
 
Kachon123 said:
Now that we've gotten this out of the way, we should all now understand that Shadow has no answer to Garou's radiation. If a difference of 3.4x radiation resistance would make someone almost die, then a difference of 200x would kill them near instantly.
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Difference in intensity =/= layers. If the radiation is twice as powerful, that doesn't mean they can suddenly affect people with a layer of resistance to it without feats showing as such. And because you have no feats showing that the radiation manipulation doesn't have layered effects (it it wasn't shown to affect people with resistance to that), you can't assume that just because the intensity is higher he can bypass resistances, since that's not how it works
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Difference in intensity =/= layers. If the radiation is twice as powerful, that doesn't mean they can suddenly affect people with a layer of resistance to it without feats showing as such. And because you have no feats showing that the radiation manipulation doesn't have layered effects (it it wasn't shown to affect people with resistance to that), you can't assume that just because the intensity is higher he can bypass resistances, since that's not how it works
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I never said that intensity = layers. Stop putting words in my mouth.

The funny thing is that Garou does in fact have layers to his radiation.

Garou's radiation was able to effect people with radiation resistance. People who stood face to face with Nuclear Explosions and a Gamma Ray Burst.
 
I disagree honestly. To put in analogy it would be like saying a character that was unaffected by a Viper can resist poison strong enough to instantly kill an elephant 200x times over because the character who poisoned the elephant never poisoned a character with baseline poison resistance.
 
Epiccheev said:
I disagree honestly. To put in analogy it would be like saying a character that was unaffected by a Viper can resist poison strong enough to instantly kill an elephant 200x times over because the character who poisoned the elephant never poisoned a character with baseline poison resistance.
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Who are you disagreeing with?
 
RethPo said:
Thats not exactly a relevant comparison. Inorganic physiology would resist it due to you having no biology to begin with. Shadow has no reason to be fully immune to every kind of radiation manip.
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It’s relevant for the character in question. Radiation, even Cosmic, is a curable disease. Shadow’s biology into immortality was created to treat an incurable disease. He was made to be an answer to incurable diseases known to science.
 
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