Code Lyoko: Great revision of the verse part 1

[Franstel]

This CRT aim to revise the scaling of the entire verse which stayed limited to guesswork for years. It will be divided in several parts, here we are going to focus on the AP of the non god tiers.

Real World​

Characters in the real world curently scale to 10-A, possibly 9-C for being able to put up a fight against Xanaified people which are at an uncalulated 9-C for showing superhuman feat.

With this calc, Xanaified people in the real world will be upgraded to 9-B (2401,482 kJ), other characters will downscale from it as while they are not as strong, they are still able to harm and take blows from them.

On Lyoko
This calc put the Megatank's AP at 0,186 ton. The Lyoko Warriors can hold on to their attack for some time with their weapons, thus they would downscale from that value. Without those they will massively downscale from their own previous value as they have shown to not deal much damage to enemies they could previously one-shot,

Attack Potency: Small Building level with weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton, With their weapons they can hold on for some time to blast like the megatank's, Aelita even managed to break one in two blows.), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without their weapons they have been shown to not deal much damage to monsters they could previously one-shot.)

Durability: Small Building level with their weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without weapons they can get defeated in a single blows by attack they could block before such as William's attacks.)

Verse Page
The Power of the Verse will be changed to Scaling on the Verse page.
This part:

While normal humans in the series are just that, normal humans, they have survived some suspiciously lethal falls and shrugged off blunt force trauma from time to time, putting them in a similar vein to Avatar Characters in real life. In the virtual world, their durability and striking strength feats are Building level (surviving attacks from a Megatank which can bring down large building-sized towers, Ulrich several times parrying these attacks, albeit with great both are with great strain).

Will be changed to:

Characters in real life downscale from William door busting calc (2401,482 kJ) as despite being weaker than Xanaified people they are still strong enough to survive their attacks and wounds them in return). Xanaified people will directly scale to that value.

The Lyoko Warriors will downscale from the Megatanks calculations with their weapns (0,186 ton). Without those they will massively downscale from the previous value.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I loved this show as a kid.

Now then:

Real World​

Characters in the real world curently scale to 10-A, possibly 9-C for being able to put up a fight against Xanaified people which are at an uncalulated 9-C for showing superhuman feat.

With this calc, Xanaified people in the real world will be upgraded to 9-B (2401,482 kJ), other characters will downscale from it as while they are not as strong, they are still able to harm and take blows from them.

This is fine.

On Lyoko
This calc put the Megatank's AP at 0,186 ton. Now, it's left to wonder where does everyone scale with it.
Fortunaly, Code Lyoko possess its own AP system in canon. The AP in Code Lyoko is the amount of HP (which is also canon since the series happen in a virtual world with video games mecanics) an attack can take.
Although, the Megatanks are stated to be able to take 50 HP in a single strike in the first episode, it likely was retconed later in the series, as post-season 1, every attack from the Megatanks are able to kill the Lyoko Warrior in a single blow even when they are fully healed despite the fact they have a total of 100 HP.
Then by that logic the amount of force needed to take 1 HP is 1/100 of that value.

This, however, is iffy. You'd first need to bring scans linking their AP to the HP system.

To get the durability of a character we take 1/8 of the minimum force neeeded to take all of their HP in a single blow.
The Lyoko Warriors (including William) have 100 HP each so since taking 100HP= 0,186 ton we apply the One Shot gap of 8x to get their base durability.
0,186/8= 0.02325 ton (Small Building level).

You don't use our one shot gap unless such exists in the verse proper. If they get one shotted by the attack, then they simply don't scale to it at all. You don't apply downscaling in this way.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Real world stuff looks good, may need to look at rest after work.

 

[Franstel]

This, however, is iffy. You'd first need to bring scans linking their AP to the HP system.

AP is never directly as such in the show but each attack take a set amount of damage.

You don't use our one shot gap unless such exists in the verse proper. If they get one shotted by the attack, then they simply don't scale to it at all. You don't apply downscaling in this way.

Ah sorry, I just don't really know what to do with the durability.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

After watching the creeper clip I do want to say, it definitely looked like it was being affected by the punches, I'd be hard pressed to say odd didn't "win" that match even if it's HP wasn't depleting

 

[Darkmon_cns]

After watching the creeper clip I do want to say, it definitely looked like it was being affected by the punches, I'd be hard pressed to say odd didn't "win" that match even if it's HP wasn't depleting

It's also odd, at the end odd reacts like he had been blasted, (i think?) But clearly nothing happened, I'm not completely sure what's going on, it dosen't look like he's reacting to the enemy regaining balance

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

AP is never directly as such in the show but each attack take a set amount of damage.

Did the megatank take damage from destroying the tower? Is the cast able to damage it? If both of these are "yes", then they would scale to the value directly. Though we can give them an "at most" rating, acknowledging the megatank can one shot them.

The lesser enemies should get their own feats if possible.

 

[Franstel]

Did the megatank take damage from destroying the tower?

No

Is the cast able to damage it?

Not really, Megatanks possess a shell and no one can break it (aside from maybe the Kollossus but no one should scale to the Kollossus) and inside that shell there's its weak point, but any blows with a weapon on its weak point result in a one shot.

It's also odd, at the end odd reacts like he had been blasted, (i think?) But clearly nothing happened, I'm not completely sure what's going on, it dosen't look like he's reacting to the enemy regaining balance

For Odd acting weird, it's just his personality, he like to play a lot even in dire situation. The enemy was stuned but quickly regain composure and blasted Odd.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Not really, Megatanks possess a shell and no one can break it (aside from maybe the Kollossus but no one should scale to the Kollossus) and inside that shell there's its weak point, but any blows with a weapon on its weak point result in a one shot.

Then yeah, they shouldn't scale at all to it, we would need to find other feats.

 

[Franstel]

Then yeah, they shouldn't scale at all to it, we would need to find other feats.

They can't scale to the attack directly ? Aelita managed to break a megatank blast in two blows in episode 56 and Ulrich can parry their blast for a few seconds like in episode 25. Plus not even other Megatank's can break a Megatank shell.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

They can't scale to the attack directly ? Aelita managed to break a megatank blast in two blows in episode 56 and Ulrich can parry their blast for a few seconds like in episode 25. Plus not even other Megatank's can break a Megatank shell.

Seems fine to scale then

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, using the Life Points system from Lyoko is iffy for upscaling/downscaling; and there are a lot of notable inconsistencies. While Kankrelats are usually the weakest, there was one that had some abnormalities in its coding that basically drained 50; which makes it feel similar to a Megatank. But other feats are worth calculating; such as destruction feats and/or cases where strikes caused Megatanks to launch.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

I agree. W fr

 

[Franstel]

So its better if I change the Lyoko part of the OP to have the Megatanks directly scaling to 0,186 ton, the LW would downscale from from it with their weapons and downscale even further from the previous values without their weapons, such as:

Attack Potency: Small Building level with weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton, With their weapons they can hold on for some time to blast like the megatank's, Aelita even managed to break one in two blows.), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without their weapons they have been shown to not deal much damage to monsters they could previously one-shot.)

Durability: Small Building level with their weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without weapons they can get defeated in a single blows by attack they could block before such as William's attacks.)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So its better if I change the Lyoko part of the OP to have the Megatanks directly scaling to 0,186 ton, the LW would downscale from from it with their weapons and downscale even further from the previous values without their weapons, such as:

Attack Potency: Small Building level with weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton, With their weapons they can hold on for some time to blast like the megatank's, Aelita even managed to break one in two blows.), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without their weapons they have been shown to not deal much damage to monsters they could previously one-shot.)

Durability: Small Building level with their weapons (Downscaling from 0,186 ton), lower normally (Massively downscaling from the previous value. Without weapons they can get defeated in a single blows by attack they could block before such as William's attacks.)

I think that's the best we can do, given the game-mechanics nature of the verse, yeah

 

[Franstel]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

The updated proposals look fine.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I believe this can be applied then

 

[Franstel]

The change have been applied this can be closed.
Next time it will be the turn of the LS and the Speed.