Why not? Those moves are techniques Sonic knows. There is no evidence he wouldn't use those techniques on the ground dealing with a ground based enemy like Rabbid Mario because Classic Super Sonic has never fought someone who was ground based. Dark Gaia doesn't count because of the massive size difference and Sonic focusing on the head.
And force them to come in at a straight line and remain stationary so they can get hit? And its spamable? :/
As it shows, it forces the enemy to directly come to Rabbid Mario. Meaning he can just shoot him as he's moving towards him.
Which relies on two moves that require him to stay in the same position, leaving him vulnerable.
Okay and why does this matter? I highly doubt this will do much, or anything at all. Won't stop him from getting blasted.
However Time Break also slows Sonic, not just Rabbid Mario.
Why would we say Sonic is just that much faster. Speed isn't exactly a large factor when Rabbid Mario already keeps up with what I argue as characters with better agility. And the fact that Rabbid Mario can just straight up force Sonic to come to him makes it an easy win. Classic has nothing to bypass Magnet Dance.
Cool, Sonic can jump over it as he is forced to go towards him. Speed equal is effects projectile, as DDM said in a Metroid vs thread.
Er, Drop Dash works by Sonic jumping in the air and coming down. As soon as he hits the ground, he shoots off in speed. "Staying in the same position" I think you are referring to the Spin Dash.
Provides cover for any moves that require charge time, as you pointed out.
Obstacles noticeably moves slower than they were before. Sonic does slow down but not to the extend as the Obstacles. This isn't from observation, I grew up on this broke wii motion game. Had to use Time Break a lot to make any progress.
Speed Equal, except with in character abilities or techniques that increase speed.
I watched the clip play out. The enemies in the back didn't reach Rabbid Mario but changed direction for regular Mario once it was their turn to move. Also, Rabbid Mario couldn't attack immediately after using that ability.
Okay, that doesn't stop the fact that when Rabbid Mario attacks, he creates an explosion. So he still gets hit, plus Rabbid Mario's already been able to shoot enemies mid-air.
No, I know how Drop Dash works. Still unsure how it bypasses anything I listed. Again, stop downplaying Rabbid Mario's shots. Sonic's not going to be untouchable, he's been hit several times before in his own boss battles.
So we're just going to assume Sonic runs away, charges up, and comes back? Yeah, no.
Time Break is used because it gives you, the player, more time to react to obstacles because we aren't affected by it. Still won't bypass being forced to go to Rabbid Mario and just being hit by an aoe attack or anything else with a larger blast.
Doesn't disallow me to use characters with good agility as an argument.
Okay, and why does that matter when the enemies will run towards Rabbid Mario. That second argument is a blatant game mechanic, come on, it's a turn-based game.
It explodes when it hits, won't explode when Sonic dodges. It'll explode when it comes in contact with something in the background.
Sonic jumps over the first shot and lands before the 2nd shot is fired. Speed Equal.
Just pointing out that Drop Dash doesn't require Sonic to stay in the same position is all.
Boss battles that doesn't allow Sonic to use the abilities I've listed because the fights aren't on the ground and they take place in a wide open space. This battle against Rabbid Mario does not.
So we are going to assume that he continues to hit Rabbid Mario over and over again without retreating when he realize he isn't damaging Rabbid Mario or moving him? Yeah, no.
I'm dumb. Let me clear up the Time Break argument with a cutscene. Apparently, Ifrit Golem is similar or equal in speed to Sonic for Sonic to need to use it.
"Agility: Ability to move quickly and easily."
You are using Magnet Dance as way to argue Sonic will not be able to escape/is helpless, when running towards Rabbid Mario, trapped till he is hit or touches Rabbid Mario. The Game itself clearly shows it's not like that. As for "game mechanic", I found Rabbid Peach using Shield before firing her gun 37:22. I played Kingdom Battle once and remembered not all moves lets you attack after using the move. Can Rabbid Mario use his gun after using Magnet Dance like Rabbid Peach's special move?
Er, you asked me a question, good sir.
Yes Rabbid Mario can use his guns after he uses any of his abilities.
Hyperspace used the item boxes as an argument for Sonic winning. That's what I disagree with. I guess I should have quoted him
How much does Super Sonic upscale from the FEB and why?
Sonic massively scales above the FEB because he's powered by the Chaos Emeralds, whose sought by Eggman as for their “unimaginable power”, and thus the power of the Final Egg Blaster should hold no candle to them and their strength.
He should. But I'll do that thread in another time
Classic Sonic isn't 4-A because of Chaos though. His 4-A rating comes from the FEB calc, which is only 3 times lower than Rabbid Mario's AP
1) a 3 times difference in this scale is the same as a 3 times difference in any other scale
Is that what the AP page says? I haven't looked it up in a while. A normal human fighting someone 3 times stronger than them should be fighting way less of an uphill battle than a galaxy buster fighting someone 3× stronger than them, because the multiplier makes way less of a difference
I didn't ignore it, it's just unuclear what "massively" means in this situation and if it's even accurate. It was agreed that the Super forms scale equally to the FEB, and that was reasonable considering its charge time and the fact that it's a god damn giant laser rather than a robot.
That part is fair though. Sonic could just stone wall him and outmanuver him with greater agility. Rabbid Mario still has better range, power and defenses though. This is a really close call... Does Sonic have access to the Wisps? Classic Sonic is shown to use them in Runners
He get's acces to wisp's in this fight, And just in case anyone forgots Rabbid Mario has statis Inducment (Like Turning the oppentent into stone and the vampire effect) and his abilites has cooldown's. (Like an minute or five)
In that case, I'm changing my vote to Sonic. Wisps and ring time really carry him in this one, especially since Rabbid Mario has never shown the same resistance to transmutation as Mario has. Base form modern Sonic broke free from petrification before, so Super Classic Sonic could probably do the same. Add on stuff like insta-shield and Sonic's better agility and manuverabillity, and not even the Rabbid's range and AP advantage can give him the win. He would come close, though. As his boomshots spread, they would be much harder to dodge, but Sonic's stonewall should allow him to survive at least one clean shot and some time of the vampire after-effect. By then, he would likely stop fooling around and use one of his win conditions.
iirc it's a skill he can utilize in Generations
Doesn't it cost points? That would mean he can't use it if he already spent all points on Super Sonic
Points are game mechanics. There's nothing story wise that explicably says Super Sonic can't use items or his abilities
The abillities themselves are irrelevent to the story as well
There's no reason why there would be any difference. Their relative difference is still 3 times whenever that they're 10-B or 4-A. Say for example you have 2 characters, and one is 3 times as strong as the other. Obviously Character A easily overpowers Character B. Now you give them both a 100 times multiplier so both are 100 times stronger than before. However, because both increased by the same amount, Character A is going to overpower Character B with as much difficulty as earlier.
Actually, it wasn't. The agreed concensus is that the Chaos Emeralds' minimum output is vastly superior to the FEB, as Eggman descirbes the Chaos Emeralds as artifacts with "Unimaginable power", meaning that their power far surpasses anything that Eggman has built, and that includes the FEB, which did said 5.708 ExaFoe calc
Yes, but the point system is just a way for the game to limit the amount of powers Sonic have while playing, while logically Sonic can in the story use any of the powers he has
