City level Tyranus and others

[AidenBrooks999]

Can someone please explain the reasoning for the 7-B for Tyranus? Because "far from easily" is not something quantifiable.


I found that apparentally there is a 1.001 megaton calc from the Force Push that Dooku used against Obi-Wan, but I can't find said calc, but IIRC, it was using the speed of the ships to calculate the KE.

 

[Omegagoldfish]

I think it was an overestimation on the writer's part. City-scale attacks in Star Wars are generally due to machines or Sith on the level of Sidious (who far outclasses Tyranus.)

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Writer's part?


Dude, we have Town level ships, City level is not an overstimation. Also, I mentioned that he could be on the megaton range from a calc

 

[Omegagoldfish]

Writer's part?

Dude, we have Town level ships, City level is not an overstimation. Also, I mentioned that he could be on the megaton range from a calc

Writer of the analysis page. Tyranus himself never showed any feats on the town level.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Well Tyrannus is comparable to or slightly less powerful than Vader who has two town level feats and he is superior to Plo Koon who has a small town level feat.

 

[Promestein]

He scales to them.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Well Tyrannus is comparable to or slightly less powerful than Vader who has two town level feats and he is superior to Plo Koon who has a small town level feat.

That doesn't justify his 7-B at all


At best that just make more solid 7-C (Or: At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C)

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Town level+ for Dooku makes most sense given Vader's feats are in the high double digit Kilotons and he should be near that level. Don't know what to make of that High 7-A stuff though.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Stills, so you're saying that the 7-B rating should be removed?

Since that would affect several characters


Also, how could Tyranus be on Vader's level? He was comparable to Anakin, and Vader "surpassed his previous peak"

 

[LordXcano]

I'm always very skeptical of calcs using ship speed to gain KE or regular speed stats given that they almost always assume the ship is moving at top speed despite being in close quarters combat (even moreso when compared to real world standards of "close quaters".)

 

[AidenBrooks999]

So, indeed the 7-B rating should be removed

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@AidenBrooks Dooku and Vader are in the same ballpark of power (not surprising since Dooku can potentially give Windu a tough fight). Sidious himself states this thoough you're going to have to ask Everlasting which book this was stated in because I don't remember and he's far more knowledgeable with this verse.

 

[Aparajita]

Yoda didn't easily deflect Tyranus' Force Lightning, yet it took Sidious (who is thousands of times stronger than Dooku) several seconds to overload Yoda's Tulanis. I think that Tyranus is stronger than we're giving him credit for.

 

[LordXcano]

I think you're giving too much credit to Star Wars writers on consistency. This is the same serious where Grievous can walk through shields that were previously standing up to both Tyranus and Sidious at the same time.

Star Wars is subject to the same varying displays of power as Marvel and DC are, so I don't think scaling Tyranus to Sidious like that is whole legitimate.

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

I think you're giving too much credit to Star Wars writers on consistency. This is the same serious where Grievous can walk through shields that were previously standing up to both Tyranus and Sidious at the same time.
Star Wars is subject to the same varying displays of power as Marvel and DC are, so I don't think scaling Tyranus to Sidious like that is whole legitimate.

uhhh dude sidious and tyrannus were ORGANIC grievious isn't (only about 1/4 of the area around his eyes are left) the rest is machine

 

[LordXcano]

Grievous can and has been affected by the Force before. Being mechanical does not make one immune.

See: Any time a Force user manipulates an inanimate object

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

Grievous can and has been affected by the Force before. Being mechanical does not make one immune.
See: Any time a Force user manipulates an inanimate object

im not saying it does all I am saying is that in this case the night sisters couldn't affect grievious much due to lack of knowledge of cybernetics

(also grievious is not an inanimate objcet

 

[LordXcano]

The Night Sisters should know how to manipulate Grievous seeing as Asajj says they spent their entire lives studying the Force. This is still ignoring the fact though that a Nightsister was resisting Tyranus and Dooku simultaneously, which was my initial point (power is inconsistent.) And on top of that Grievous has been manipulated by the Force multiple times in the Clone Wars.

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

The Night Sisters should know how to manipulate Grievous seeing as Asajj says they spent their entire lives studying the Force. This is still ignoring the fact though that a Nightsister was resisting Tyranus and Dooku simultaneously, which was my initial point (power is inconsistent.) And on top of that Grievous has been manipulated by the Force multiple times in the Clone Wars.

like i said before the nightsisters couldn't dtop grievious from entering due to them never seeing a 99.9% macine and .1% organic being before

as for the holdng off sideous and tyrannus at the same time keep in mind this is a nightsister one of the most naturally powerfull force users in the galaxy seriously these women are beasts

 

[LordXcano]

They may be great but that doesn't give them an excuse to beat someone who has been stated repeatedly to be the strongest one in the galaxy, working together with someone who (just above) was stated to be somewhat comparable to them.

And what does not seeing a cyborg before have to do with a telekinetic shield being broken through? They weren't directly applying the Force to Grievous, it's like saying if I made an air-blade using the Force it could cut a human but not a robot because I haven't fought robots before. It's still an air-blade, its sharpness is intrinsic.

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

They may be great but that doesn't give them an excuse to beat someone who has been stated repeatedly to be the strongest one in the galaxy, working together with someone who (just above) was stated to be somewhat comparable to them.
And what does not seeing a cyborg before have to do with a telekinetic shield being broken through? They weren't directly applying the Force to Grievous, it's like saying if I made an air-blade using the Force it could cut a human but not a robot because I haven't fought robots before. It's still an air-blade, its sharpness is intrinsic.

basically while i do agree that 1 nightsister can't beat sidious and tyrannus alone (that part is inconsistent lets be honest) let me send you a link to something

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/B%27rknaa

 

[LordXcano]

That same article (which is Legends anyway) says that they're resistant not because they are rocks but because they have evolved to redirect the flow of the Force.

If merely being cybernetic made one immune to the Force to such an extent that just 1 cyborg can walk through a shield standing up to the most powerful man in the universe then Darth Vader should similarly never be affected by Force abilities.

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

you see my friend vader actually still has some of his old body anyway

2 grievous was literally trained and practically designed to kill jedi

3 if im correct that photo of yours with grievious walking through the shield was from the EU which disney (or more accurately the hitler of movie companies) made non-canon

4 that article also states this "The stone beings from Indobok were also immune to every direct applicatio of the Force thanks to their mineral-based structure and their hive mind."

5 i never said you can't affect grievious with the force i said it wouldn't be as effective as it would be to a full organic being

6 how did we get on the topic of grievious if this thread is for tyranus just sayi

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@Theworldsaddestraisinbox

Grievous walking through Talzin's shield is from the 2014 Son of Dathomir comics which is part of the new Disney canon. We know Grievous has town level durability from some other feat. And so someone with town level durability walking through a town level shield should not be all that surprising. And you can clearly see that he was indeed damaged to an extent by it.

Also, Telekinesis works as well on inorganic stuff as it does on organic stuff. Vader and Palpatine in the Lords of the Sith novel (Disney canon) brought down two freighters with their TK to the ground with enough force to destroy them on impact (and said impact levelled an area of forest the size of a city block).

 

[Antvasima]

Mind the language please.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Sorry. Not insulting anyone. It's just that I tend to use that word in place of "stuff" a lot. A bad habit of mine. I'll watch it from now on.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Edited the comment.

 

[Theworldsaddestraisinbox]

@Theworldsaddestraisinbox
Grievous walking through Talzin's shield is from the 2014 Son of Dathomir comics which is part of the new Disney canon. We know Grievous has town level durability from some other feat. And so someone with town level durability walking through a town level shield should not be all that surprising. And you can clearly see that he was indeed damaged to an extent by it.

Also, Telekinesis works as well on inorganic stuff as it does on organic stuff. Vader and Palpatine in the Lords of the Sith novel (Disney canon) brought down two freighters with their TK to the ground with enough force to destroy them on impact (and said impact levelled an area of forest the size of a city block).

once again i never stated that inorganic material is immune to the force

also the brknaa were immune to every direct application of the force since they had a mineral composition and a hive mind

also thanks for clearing up the EU/disney thing