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Circular Reasoning in Snake and Ocelot's profiles

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Matthew Schroeder said:
No. Snake destroys Metal Gears by continuously blasting them with RPGs and Bullets until they start exploding. No sabbotaging or chain reaction other than damaging the thing enough to damage it's reactors and cores and whatnot.
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That's right, this means that Big Boss and other profiles should be revisited since they are not Multi-City Block level physically.
 
Ah, so that is the other thing that I mentioned, doesn't known how many damage can receive the gear before it start to malfunction, so I guess with a dozen of round of RPGs could trigger this. I didn't say that Snake sabbotaged the gear, just was one of the things that the little calc don't consider.
 
Yeah, but proggressive damage is not something counted.

But we can use the health bar, kind of.

Count how many attacks take to destroy, maybe?
 
Welp, nothing much to say about Gears durability, I calculated the yield needed to v. fragment the Shagahod and Peace Walker in being 2.58 tnt tons and 7.682 tnt tons respectively; but again, that doesn't consider damage before malfunction, and is assumed that the main material what is being made is steel and don't consider circuits at all.
 
Well, he can harm people on Raiden level, right?

And Raiden has a 8-B feat with the Outer Heaven
 
Already forgett the issue, was Snake be upgraded/downgraded to 8-C+? I think that I agreeded with that
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
So.... This can be applied or...
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This should be applied even to Big Boss and Venom Snake, since they are not Multi-City Block level physically.
 
Downgrade to 8-C+ in both Ap and Dura

And gave him 8-B with weapons.


Also, shouldn't snake be High Hypersonic? At least in reactions, since he can react to Vamp even as Old Snake.
 
8-C feats from Snake and Big Boss, so this shoud scale to... Well, I'm not an expert here :|


And 8-B for Raiden and others. And Snake weapons.
 
8-C+ durability feat for Old Snake, scales to basically everyone.

8-B for MGSIV Raiden, and Snake with weaponry.
 
Also, Volgin has used a portable Nuke Launcher, so we could give him Low 7-B with strongest weapons.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Also, Volgin has used a portable Nuke Launcher, so we could give him Low 7-B with strongest weapons.
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About Volgin, how we will rate him, especially as the Man of Fire.
 
I'm not suggesting another dowmgrade for Raiden

But why he is Low 7-C in AP? The justification is that he can cut through Armstrong's skin, but right next to that it saids that his sword ignores durability
 
Also, maybe I should ask this to Cano, but why the Mach 17 feat s an outlier?

We have Hypersonic feats to back it up, and speedsters like Raiden are Mach 43
 
It ignores durability in that it slices molecules, if I'm not wrong. But it doesn't one-shot bosses and the like.
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Also, maybe I should ask this to Cano, but why the Mach 17 feat s an outlier?

We have Hypersonic feats to back it up, and speedsters like Raiden are Mach 47.3
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^^^
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Also, maybe I should ask this to Cano, but why the Mach 17 feat s an outlier?
We have Hypersonic feats to back it up, and speedsters like Raiden are Mach 43
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Raiden in MGR is far faster than anyone who ever appeared in Solid by a ridiculous margin, and most feats in MHS lie around Subsonic+ to low Supersonic, with Hypersonic being the highest result bar the Mach 17 feat.
 
Basically, imagine if Naruto had 4 calcs for High Hypersonic, 4 for Massively Hypersonic+, and then 1 for Relativistic. The last one would seem a bit out-of-place.
 
He jumps from Tier 7 to 6 to 5

So....


Also, we have Hypersonic feats and faster characters are Mach 47.3 So i don't see the outlier
 
We have 1 Hypersonic feat that heavily abuses gameplay mechanics to get that result. Using Raiden to justify speeds for other people, in the context of MGS, is like using the Flash to show why a feat for a non-speedster isn't an outlier.
 
So, Solid Snake: 8-C+, 8-B with weapons

Big Boss: 8-C+, 8-B with weapons

Venom Snake: 8-C+, 8-B with weapons

Psycho Mantis: 9-B via feats, 8-B via powerscaling

Gray Fox: 8-C+ (Frank Jaeger) | 8-B (Metal Gear Solid)

Liquid Snake: 8-C+, 8-B with Metal Gear Rex

Vamp: 8-C+ | 8-B

Raiden: 8-C+, 8-B w/ the heaviest weapons | 8-B

Solidus Snake: 8-C+

Ocelot: 8-C+ (8-B with forcefield dura)

Screaming Mantis: 8-B

Metal Gear Rex: 8-B. Possibly 7-C with warhead

Metal Gear Ray: 8-B
 
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