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Chou Goku Ability Removal

Jayden_Garrison

Jayden_Garrison

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Currently Chou Goku has possible Existence Erasure due to this scan but more recent chapters seem to imply otherwise. Such as in Chapter 69 Goku saying he messed up doing the technique.

Further more we see Vegeta Training to do Hakai in Chapter 70 And we see Beerus make this comment here that shows that simply breaking something with Ki doesn't erase it from existence. This should be solid enough to remove possible existence erasure from Chou Goku.

Also some tips would be nice since this is one of my first threads.
 
Jayden_Garrison said:
Well we have no evidence nor a statement that what Goku did was existence erasure. Its far more likley that Goku did what Vegeta did in chapter 70 and simply damaged Zamasu with his Ki.
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He literally quoted that he got the technique from beerus and called it a “dangerous” move, he only failed cuz zamasu ****** with gokus concentration, other wise it would’ve worked


Even the effects of the attack was different then an ordinary energy blast or like how vegeta did it
 
Spinoirr said:
Yeah that makes complete sense (what the person said above)

But why would zamasu get Mai as a hostage if he could just regenerate from EE or disintegration
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As far as an answer in canon, Zamasu might not know the limits of his regeneration since its shown him regenerating too quickly without regaining his stamina takes a toll on his body. So perhaps he thinks complete disintegration would push the limit of his immortality.

And as for the more likley answer, its a retcon because they want Hakai to be Vegeta exclusive now after the fact 😐
 
Despite being different from Vegeta's hakai, Goku's is exactly like the Hakai Beerus' cast on Zamasu and the one Vermouth used on the clown girl.

Goku might have somehow messed the technique up, and then Toyotaro changed his mind on how to portray it, but we have enough evidences between statements and comparisons to say it's actually hakai.
 
Vietthai96 said:
he said that he mess-up the technique most likely refer to his inability to instantly hakai Zamasu, we could see that Zamasu just slowly erased rather than GoDs perform the technique when they instantly erase the target
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Well, in the anime, the hakai effects also seem to be slowly erasing the targets rather than instantly. Zamasu in the anime was slowly erased by Beerus in a similar manner to what Goku did to fused Zamasu in the manga.
 
Jayden_Garrison said:
Well again, as far as the sand thing goes we see Vegeta training to do Hakai and its the same Sand thing that Goku did and Beerus said that he didn't do it right and simply broke it with a Ki blast. And we know he was simply using his own Ki when he used it in the Black arc as shown here as opposed to Destruction Ki as was shown exists by Goku's statement of Vegeta's Ki Here.

Everything Points to it not being true Existence Erasure.

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Again, Beerus blatantly states that it wasn't destruction. We know that what Goku did was Hakai because he not only says it, but he even apologizes to Beerus for stealing his technique. The fact that they say that he messed up at it is enough evidence that he did in fact use the real thing, rather than just some deconstruction ability.
 
Tarang123 said:
Again, Beerus blatantly states that it wasn't destruction. We know that what Goku did was Hakai because he not only says it, but he even apologizes to Beerus for stealing his technique. The fact that they say that he messed up at it is enough evidence that he did in fact use the real thing, rather than just some deconstruction ability.
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Not necessarily. Saying he messed it up could just as likely mean that he didn't do the technique properly like how Vegeta didn't do it properly how Vegeta did when training to use Hakai.

And again, him using his own Ki like Beerus said and his lack of Destruction Ki like Vegeta has in Ultra Ego points to that aswell.
 
Jayden_Garrison said:
Not necessarily. Saying he messed it up could just as likely mean that he didn't do the technique properly like how Vegeta didn't do it properly how Vegeta did when training to use Hakai.
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No, that's not at all what that means. They blatantly state that he used it in the Goku black arc. Him messing up is because it wasn't a perfect form of it. He's not just using a ki blast lol.

Jayden_Garrison said:
And again, him using his own Ki like Beerus said and his lack of Destruction Ki like Vegeta has in Ultra Ego points to that aswell.
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But that's because he didn't have actual control over it. He just copied what Beerus did, it's still some kind of Hakai.
 
Tarang123 said:
No, that's not at all what that means. They blatantly state that he used it in the Goku black arc. Him messing up is because it wasn't a perfect form of it. He's not just using a ki blast lol.


But that's because he didn't have actual control over it. He just copied what Beerus did, it's still some kind of Hakai.
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Yeah its a form of Hakai, but it doesn't erase things from existence like how Beerus and now Vegeta can.
 
Tarang123 said:
It does, tho...that's like saying that the hakai that beerus used on Zamasu isn't a real hakai cause Toppo's Hakai is different.
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again the series shows through Vegeta's training that you can use a similar technique which does destroy the object without actually erasing it from existence. It also shows a usage of another form of God Ki that Goku doesn't have access to in usage of the proper technique.
 
And even then if we wanted to consider the entire argument to remove the ability. We can also consider it to apply the skill as probably, which it already has lol. By the way I am in disagree to remove the hability like everyone else.
 
I still disagree. We know when Goku used it he used his own Ki, which according to Beerus doesn't erase it from existence. We also know Goku doesn't have Destruction Ki which is shown in Vegeta's form and is consistent with what is shown in the anime with Toppo.

This seems pretty solid to me. I'd like to hear more of your arguments against it though.
 
SirAlex09 said:
He used normal deconstruction the same way Mui does it against Moro. Again the purple color distinguishes normal deconstruction from Hakai

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We won’t know that for sure until the color pages come out for Volume 16 to confirm which version Vegeta is using there.

But, the possibility existence erase for now is fine until then.
 
Jayden_Garrison said:
We won’t know that for sure until the color pages come out for Volume 16 to confirm which version Vegeta is using there.

But, the possibility existence erase for now is fine until then.
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" All you did was a regular chi blast" --> I am pretty sure we have never seen regular ki blast dissolve matter into purple energy and then into nothingness. The messed up part refers to the speed and the fact that it drained him severely. You need better evidence to prove that Goku isn't using EE else this can be closed
 
SirAlex09 said:
" All you did was a regular chi blast" --> I am pretty sure we have never seen regular ki blast dissolve matter into purple energy and then into nothingness.
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We haven't yet, but we don't know for sure if what Vegeta did and failed to do was purple or not and we won't know until we get the Volume 16 Color pages

The messed up part refers to the speed and the fact that it drained him severely. You need better evidence to prove that Goku isn't using EE else this can be closed
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Can you prove thats what he meant by messing it up? I've already given evidence to suggest you can't use your own Ki to do Hakai and it requires a special type of Hakai energy, which is consistent with the anime. This is an energy that there is no evidence Goku has. Therefore, you can't assert the claim that it is Existence Erasure.
 
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