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Most Undertale top tier and god tier pages are linked to Chara and Geno-Frisk.
But there are two errors that make these pages unfortunaly false.
1-Chara is NOT Geno-Frisk and does not have his 20 love.
2-Having more LOVE does not mean being more powerful.
Explanation number one:
Chara and Geno-Frisk are very different, contrary to what the pages of Undying and Sans say.
We know that the player controls Frisk for each action, not Chara. Absolutely all actions and all shots not automatically have nothing do with Chara, and with his level. So Undying never cashed a shot of Chara.
Now, let's quickly summarize the times that Chara attacks and/or owns controls Frisk in a fight (outside it does not bring anything).
Chara shot only 3 characters: Asgore, Flowey (base), and Sans. For Sans, there is a blow he has never been able to dodge, that of Chara.
So he did not defeat anybody of an a Multiversal lvl (i would come back to explaining his level later).
And Chara is not tied to Geno-Frisk's LOVE, he himself says that it was his determination that revived him (so even in neutral or pacifist run). In the end of the Genocide run, he does not have "LV", he becomes the concept of LOVE, saying it himself
I think that's enough to explain that the two are radically different, and that the powerscraling of Undying, Sans and even Omega Flowey/Asriel related to Chara are useless.
Explanation number two:
In the Genocide run, the more Frisk gains LOVE, easier it is to kill a monster. But this is not always the case, as can be seen with Undyne the Undying or Sans. Both had less LOVE than Geno-Frisk, but managed to compete with him / surpass him.
The LOVE would only be effective on the monsters of Undertale. For it is explained in Snowdin's library that monsters react strongly to feelings, as can be seen for Undyne who has her highest defense without armor (when you are at home).
Toriel also mentions in genocide run that Frisk "hated her" before her death, which she doesn't say in neutral run, even if she is killed. Which implies she says that it's Geno-Frisk hatred that allowed her to one shot.
I mention this point by adding one page in particular, the Flowey's page.
He may have 99999999999999 LV, it's only because he killed monsters in many reset.A proof of LV doesn't influence power, Flowey implies that he never defeated Asgore. And Sans also explaining that it just represents the fact that you become more cruel, not more powerful.
After explaining this, i think Undyne the Undying, Sans, Geno-Frisk, and Flowey (base) should be considered town lvl. As Flowey say he killed everyone, but never beat Asgore, who is city lvl.
For Omega Flowey, it should be considered Univers+ and low multivers via hax.
Nothing change for Asriel.
Chara should be at least Multivers+, potentially High Multivers. (Same for Player/Anomaly).
For that reasons: After the Genocide run, Chara is omnipresent. Like Napstablook, the Asriel-Frisk fight doesn't do any damage to it. It also seems to be superior to Asriel, for the reasons that Blooky doesn't seems to have survived in genocide.
And got the soul of the player, who transcends the Undertale verse (like Annoying Dog, he seen the verse like a fiction) . The Player is also able to modify or delete what he wants via a manipulation of date, without Annoying Dog. (The 4th wall also counts as feat by moment, the Player/Anomaly can move the game window, so move the verse without any difficult).
What do you think?
But there are two errors that make these pages unfortunaly false.
1-Chara is NOT Geno-Frisk and does not have his 20 love.
2-Having more LOVE does not mean being more powerful.
Explanation number one:
Chara and Geno-Frisk are very different, contrary to what the pages of Undying and Sans say.
We know that the player controls Frisk for each action, not Chara. Absolutely all actions and all shots not automatically have nothing do with Chara, and with his level. So Undying never cashed a shot of Chara.
Now, let's quickly summarize the times that Chara attacks and/or owns controls Frisk in a fight (outside it does not bring anything).
Chara shot only 3 characters: Asgore, Flowey (base), and Sans. For Sans, there is a blow he has never been able to dodge, that of Chara.
So he did not defeat anybody of an a Multiversal lvl (i would come back to explaining his level later).
And Chara is not tied to Geno-Frisk's LOVE, he himself says that it was his determination that revived him (so even in neutral or pacifist run). In the end of the Genocide run, he does not have "LV", he becomes the concept of LOVE, saying it himself
I think that's enough to explain that the two are radically different, and that the powerscraling of Undying, Sans and even Omega Flowey/Asriel related to Chara are useless.
Explanation number two:
In the Genocide run, the more Frisk gains LOVE, easier it is to kill a monster. But this is not always the case, as can be seen with Undyne the Undying or Sans. Both had less LOVE than Geno-Frisk, but managed to compete with him / surpass him.
The LOVE would only be effective on the monsters of Undertale. For it is explained in Snowdin's library that monsters react strongly to feelings, as can be seen for Undyne who has her highest defense without armor (when you are at home).
Toriel also mentions in genocide run that Frisk "hated her" before her death, which she doesn't say in neutral run, even if she is killed. Which implies she says that it's Geno-Frisk hatred that allowed her to one shot.
I mention this point by adding one page in particular, the Flowey's page.
He may have 99999999999999 LV, it's only because he killed monsters in many reset.A proof of LV doesn't influence power, Flowey implies that he never defeated Asgore. And Sans also explaining that it just represents the fact that you become more cruel, not more powerful.
After explaining this, i think Undyne the Undying, Sans, Geno-Frisk, and Flowey (base) should be considered town lvl. As Flowey say he killed everyone, but never beat Asgore, who is city lvl.
For Omega Flowey, it should be considered Univers+ and low multivers via hax.
Nothing change for Asriel.
Chara should be at least Multivers+, potentially High Multivers. (Same for Player/Anomaly).
For that reasons: After the Genocide run, Chara is omnipresent. Like Napstablook, the Asriel-Frisk fight doesn't do any damage to it. It also seems to be superior to Asriel, for the reasons that Blooky doesn't seems to have survived in genocide.
And got the soul of the player, who transcends the Undertale verse (like Annoying Dog, he seen the verse like a fiction) . The Player is also able to modify or delete what he wants via a manipulation of date, without Annoying Dog. (The 4th wall also counts as feat by moment, the Player/Anomaly can move the game window, so move the verse without any difficult).
What do you think?
