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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

FuriousFieryFist said:
I looked at the paper and the value you used is the average value of all the dusts collected (From comets btw) bulk value
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The main make up of comets is dust and rock after all not dissimilar to what we have here considering this is all discharge from debris flung up that being stone, dust, and dirt from the mountain.
FuriousFieryFist said:
Aka sitting in a pile, not floating through the air. So I don't know if it would be accurate to use in this situation since the dust of the mountain is being kicked up into the air likely lowering it's density per meter cubed.
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If ya wanted to go by this instead using the sandstone and granite mix would be best as they are sedimentary and are common in mountainous terrain. So 290kg/m3 instead of 490 if that makes ya feel like its more accurate also once again as afar as the in the air part goes that's the entire point of the hollowness my guy it takes into account its not some 100% solid structure the low end specifically is negged by the ten thousandth
 
What would the values be if we used 1 second for the dust KE instead (since it occured in one panel) ? For all we know the Gun was already long gone and the "explosion" was just the lingering aftermath
 
Bruh said:
What would the values be if we used 1 second for the dust KE instead (since it occured in one panel) ? For all we know the Gun was already long gone and the "explosion" was just the lingering aftermath
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Its already using 1 second...
Please actually read the blog not even gonna entertain this literally already did all of this for like an entire 2 pages so how are we still on this
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
Are you sure that dust value is correct? 490 kg/m^3 seem awfully high considering water is just over double that at 1000 kg/m^3 and it's way more involved than dust.
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The calc already compensates for this by using 99% and 99.99% hollowness values, meaning it's really 4.9 kg/m^3 at the mid end and 0.049 kg/m^3 at the low end.

For reference, the low end is about twenty times less dense than clouds (~1 kg/m^3), while the mid end isn't even five times as dense as clouds.
 
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Once again, an older character(s) (Yakuza, Makima, CSM Church, PS, The Former Finance Minister, Yoru) sacrifice children (Denji, 10,000 kids, Gun & Tank) for their own selfish wish (Money, To use Chainsaw Man, To erase Old Age, To fight Chainsaw Man)
 
Zabazab said:
Once again, an older character(s) (Yakuza, Makima, CSM Church, PS, The Former Finance Minister, Yoru) sacrifice children (Denji, 10,000 kids, Gun & Tank) for their own selfish wish (Money, To use Chainsaw Man, To erase Old Age, To fight Chainsaw Man)
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Also Santa Claus
 
Now, this may just be the powerscaler brainrot talking, but the Mount Elbrus Feat might not be completely in a vacuum.
  • Objects Yoru summons only become weapons once they're close, as shown with the soap-sword, or the size of the Tank Devil's exit hole
  • In other words, the 28% of the Gun Devil was still the Gun Devil when it erupted out of Mount Elbrus, rather than the gauntlet, meaning it scales to 28% of the Gun Devil's durability (this also means the Tank Devil is at least Large Building level, but that's less impressive)
  • This is notable for either the mid end or the low end, because while people are still afraid of guns, fear of the Gun Devil itself was totally gutted after Denji "killed it" near the end of Part 1, and most of the population thought it died, meaning a substantially nerfed 28% Gun Devil still has durability in the kilotons.
  • As such, a 100% Gun Devil being... (20% Gun Devil Mass) (Gun Devil Crosses Planet in 5 Minutes)- (5*2316000 kg) * 0.5 * 107313.452123^2 = 6.66786649*10^16 joules, or 15.94 Megatons, AKA City level, suddenly isn't unreasonable anymore.
  • Plus, City level makes sense given how pieces of the Gun Devil are a stand-in for Nuclear Weapons, but that's a more subjective argument.
So the scale goes-
  • 28% Weakened Gun Devil Durability (1.585676 or 158.5676 kilotons) <
  • Hypothetical 100% Weakened Gun Devil (5.663128 or 566.3128 kilotons) <
  • 20% Gun Devil KE (3.19 megatons) <
  • Initial Pochita (based on performance against Makima)
  • 100% Gun Devil KE (15.94 megatons) <<<
  • Primal Fears <
  • Current Pochita, Yoru's Funeral Gloves
Now, just like how the bar of soap is still Immobile by itself, the logic above does not mean the FTL+ rating would scale to Gun and Tank. That's purely due to Yoru's summoning.
 
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Zabazab said:
I've seen some people confused as to why Yoru called her weapons "gauntlets" and it's just really funny to imagine CSM fans don't know what bridal gauntlets are.
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The black made me think of funeral wear more, but same idea. To be fair, the chances of the average Chainsaw Man reader getting married aren't great
 
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Dalesean027 said:
If ya wanted to go by this instead using the sandstone and granite mix would be best as they are sedimentary and are common in mountainous terrain. So 290kg/m3 instead of 490 if that makes ya feel like its more accurate also once again as afar as the in the air part goes that's the entire point of the hollowness my guy it takes into account its not some 100% solid structure the low end specifically is negged by the ten thousandth
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The granite value makes more sense in my opinion, as it uses something common in mountains and not comet dust. Though I feel the need to explain what bulk value is again. The bulk density value is the density of a powdered substance taking into account the space between the particles of dust when resting in a pile. This is fundamentally different then a large volume of dust being launched into the air which would logically disperse the dust due to a number of factors. It's the difference between sand in a sandstorm and sand in a pile. This however is just my personal opinion and if you feel that your way is correct then I won't complain. I would however, offer an alternative to find the displaced material. Since in cannon Russia has the largest piece of the Gun Devil, could we not assume the piece's surface area and use that to find out how much soil it displaced when breaking out of the mountain?
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
This is fundamentally different then a large volume of dust being launched into the air which would logically disperse the dust due to a number of factors. It's the difference between sand in a sandstorm and sand in a pile
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Again the hollowness accounts for this being mostly air as myself and Ela have explained above. Regardless thanks for the input
 
ElajRuengies said:
Now, this may just be the powerscaler brainrot talking, but the Mount Elbrus Feat might not be completely in a vacuum.
  • Objects Yoru summons only become weapons once they're close, as shown with the soap-sword, or the size of the Tank Devil's exit hole
  • In other words, the 28% of the Gun Devil was still the Gun Devil when it erupted out of Mount Elbrus, rather than the gauntlet, meaning it scales to 28% of the Gun Devil's durability (this also means the Tank Devil is at least Large Building level, but that's less impressive)
  • This is notable for either the mid end or the low end, because while people are still afraid of guns, fear of the Gun Devil itself was totally gutted after Denji "killed it" near the end of Part 1, and most of the population thought it died, meaning a substantially nerfed 28% Gun Devil still has durability in the kilotons.
  • As such, a 100% Gun Devil being... (20% Gun Devil Mass) (Gun Devil Crosses Planet in 5 Minutes)- (5*2316000 kg) * 0.5 * 107313.452123^2 = 6.66786649*10^16 joules, or 15.94 Megatons, AKA City level, suddenly isn't unreasonable anymore.
  • Plus, City level makes sense given how pieces of the Gun Devil are a stand-in for Nuclear Weapons, but that's a more subjective argument.
So the scale goes-
  • 28% Weakened Gun Devil Durability (1.585676 or 158.5676 kilotons) <
  • Hypothetical 100% Weakened Gun Devil (5.663128 or 566.3128 kilotons) <
  • 20% Gun Devil KE (3.19 megatons) <
  • 100% Gun Devil KE (15.94 megatons) <<<
  • Primal Fears <
  • Current Pochita, Yoru's Funeral Gloves
Now, just like how the bar of soap is still Immobile by itself, the logic above does not mean the FTL+ rating would scale to Gun and Tank. That's purely due to Yoru's summoning.
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Watch Chariot debunk all of this as soon as you make the thread
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Chariot, I sacrifice one year of the life span of every British person, debunk this sh*t
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Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
On one hand, I don’t want the rest of the verse to scale high. On the other hand, the gun devil is really cool and me likey to scale high
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It really does make sense for the Gun Devil to be comparable to an H-Bomb given how it's the replacement for nuclear weapons, not to mention Low 7-B / ~3.2 Megatons for 20% and 7-B / ~16 Megatons for 100% aren't outlandishly large values.

Plus, a nerfed Falling was causing problems around the planet, so I don't mind if Primals gets some bigger value in the future.

But also, if that Kinetic Energy calc (hawwck, p-tuh) is allowed, then that could be a gateway to stuff like Makima yeeting Pochita into orbit KE (which is definitely in the kilotons because Mach 4,600 is nuts), which would be kinda weird.

Also, Spear's Spears scaling to Pochita would be weird. I mean, it's already weird (but canon), but the stronger Pochita is, the more weird it'll feel.
 
ElajRuengies said:
But also, if that Kinetic Energy calc (hawwck, p-tuh) is allowed, then that could be a gateway to stuff like Makima yeeting Pochita into orbit KE (which is definitely in the kilotons because Mach 4,600 is nuts), which would be kinda weird.
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It already got accepted, it's only 26 Tons of TNT though.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Nah, time to finally bring this edit to life-
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"Open" (Fūga)
"Divine Flame"
images
 
How come Awakened Pochita upscales from the 100% Gun Devil Calc rather than just the 20% Gun Devil Calc? Is it from him having previously fought Death?
 
I think it's implied that Pochita was the one to originally take down the 100% gun devil, since it's said the nations found it's corpse and cut it up into the percents we see
also the fact that yeah, he fought Death, who is explicitly stated to be the strongest, so she would at least be as strong as 100% gun, and so pochita would also be at least as strong as 100% gun
 
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