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Catch these shonen hands!!
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Oliver_de_jesus
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he needs feat to affect that, Goku is also omnipresent (which is a state of being and not a speed technically)
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How is goku omnipresent when im pretty sure no one in the db franchise is. Zamasu is only multilocation for the one area since he became one with the universe.
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What's abstract will?
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all stats are equalized tho
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Will is used to express desire. "The Toei Timeline and official DBS Blu-ray Disk Artbook stated that when Zamasu left his broken body, he became pure will". Luffy needs to either bypass his Low 2-C AE via erasing him (the timeline, which he can't), or he needs feats of interacting with Will or something abstract. Depends on his NPI/if he even has it
Cool, he's still Universe sized since that's his state of existence
Oliver_de_jesus
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Speed: Massively FTL+ (At least 196 quadrillion c, likely far higher. Somewhat kept up with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) | Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time) From IF Zamasu's Profile
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omnipresent is being everywhere. In the future, past and present.
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So he needs to interact with concepts?
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Goku's intangibility is based on AE type 1 which luffy cant interact. And he has low 2-C to eventually 2-C omnipresent and HDE.
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All great and all...but Goku is too large to be effected by anything thanks to his HDE, omnipresent and AE type 1.
As for sealing or Dimensional stuff, Goku negs by having 2-C ranged teleporation and dimensional travel. Sealing gets negged by it too.
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Just a disclaimer. All anime, filler, manga and movies are included. Which hopefully will make things more intresting for every verse
Oliver_de_jesus
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Oh boi, Janemba+Hakaishin Toppo+Gas+Ultra Ego+Moro^Fused Zamasu's body (manga) make Goku nearly indestructible
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I would make an argument that yami yami no mi could absorb him but that would be a nlf. All I really have left is luffys df which can make anything thats intangible touchable or he can affect goku without touching him due to that df.
Oliver_de_jesus
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well, the ki barrier that blocks absorption, GT Goku resisted Cell who tried to absorb him and the adaptability to gravity nullifies that the truth.
it doesn't matter considering that even if goku was physical, touching him would be erased by the hakai armor
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Than goku wins, or goku dies of age. Because luffy cannot die from natrual causes.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Goku has type 1 and can just reincarnate
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Luffy simply cannot die, he can make a clone and make that clone give him eternal youth. He can revive himself using his own heart, he can come back to life after he dies giving him eternal age. He is a skeleton with no organs meaning he can't lost blood. Etc
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Luffy can just go to a dimension and survive. Wait are we using filler? Because if thats the case luffy could possibly win with the uta uta no mi.
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What about being completely wiped from existence at all points.
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Hakai isn't the real problem, Zeno's erasure is. Cause he doesn't have to aim it or anything like that, he just does a gesture and you're gone.
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Goku’s range would be multi universal with his existence erasure cause Zeno. Plus we’ve seen goku himself literally break through dimensions. In fact buu was breaking dimensions on top of dimensions
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Or what about Janemba passively reality warping an entire
Even with some of the movies the ability Luffy is getting ain’t too special. Like I think there’s a devil fruit that affects probability in the movies and stuff but compare that to just anything Janemba does or the some of the other ridiculous stuff like being able to stop time and is completely immortal.
It’s just game over
Even with some of the movies the ability Luffy is getting ain’t too special. Like I think there’s a devil fruit that affects probability in the movies and stuff but compare that to just anything Janemba does or the some of the other ridiculous stuff like being able to stop time and is completely immortal.
It’s just game over
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I don't think movies are included in this since it's simply Anime and Manga from the OP
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The OP said movies and stuff were included in a later comment
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Nevermind then
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A dimension that doesn't exist?
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Isn’t the uta uta no mi just sort of mind hax in it creating a dimension in that person’s mind. If so Babadi also already could invade your mind. And was resisted. Plus could this even work on someone who’s nigh omnipresent as well
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I was talking about bluenos dimension, because it ceases to exist till its open out. But uta uta no mi traps both the user and others, and they can do anything inside there so it'll also affect the persons body. Plus how is zamasu omnipresent when he wasn't everywhere at once including the past and the future.
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are we allowed to use games? Cause if so I have a chance of making luffy win
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The games just further puts this in the favor of Goku
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Godernet
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I genuine don't see how Goku doesnt win even if you give Luffy and Naruto every game, manga, and anime feat they have. Goku has two Time based abilities to skip time and rewind for 5 minutes. and Zenos multi universal erasure that's as easy to use as Thanos snapping + and immortal body, instant transmission, the devil beam that instakills those not pure of heart. Even if Luffy used the door fruit or a BFR fruit Goku could jump rewind time and oneshot them with devil beam, hakai, or zenos BS. The only wincon I see for either of them is Naruto using koto amatsukami but he would still be left with the other person if he uses it so 50/50 he chooses Goku.
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What is goku rewinding time going to do if luffy can just time travel or just create a dimension thats immune to everything goku can do. Go inside his blueno dimension, than open the book and go inside it.
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Luffy's can only travel forward in time with the fruit, and Goku can just follow with the kai ring. also, we've seen earlier dragon ball characters that have resistance to mental manipulation on the level of magical mind control and psychic attacks. also, we've seen Buu and Gotenks scream into and out of dimensions that are completely disconnected from their normal universe.
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That's not what they uta uta no mi does, it forces them into that mind so they're affected. I guess but they never been shown to do it from one that doesn't exist. But man db franchise has alot of op hax
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