Castlevania Dracula LoS CRT: Downgrades

[Bobsican]

Okay, so I've noticed that currently this Drac gets Matter Manip from this:
"Turned The Forgotten One into dust just by moving his hand"

The problem? Uh... it's clear that Drac just shreded him then he vanished away, but there's nothing supporting that Drac can actually manipulate matter, we don't give characters that can just turn someone into dust matter manip to begin with unless it's explicitly in that manner how it's done.

Finally, regarding the Pocket Reality manip stuff, it's fine and all, but...
"(...) inside the beings of the "real world" have their powers reduced to something "pathetic""
This section deserves just being mentioned as Statistics Reduction if it really qualifies for anyone but him, which doesn't seem to be the case as right after he's fighting four guys on a level somewhat comparable to him in the same place, so more context please or this section is best just being removed.

Finally for AP:

The 5-A seems to come solely from Zobek making an eclipse

The problems here are:

• It's an outlier since the feats are consistently tectonic
• The feat was performed by an artefact, not Zobek himself so its unknown if it even scales to him (Most likely not)

 

[Thelastmlg]

We do give them deconstruction, as for the feat well:

Drac looks pretty far away, and do monsters on castlevania usually vanish when killed?

 

[Bobsican]

We do give them deconstruction, as for the feat well:

Drac looks pretty far away, and do monsters on castlevania usually vanish when killed?

"Note that natural side effects from powers, such as Energy Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, and other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability, unless the abilities in question specifically and directly focus on deconstruction in itself, rather than as a consequence."
- The Deconstruction page

In this case I don't think so as no statement backs it being done like that.

Well, it kinda varies, but considering that this is the reboot timeline I can't really say for sure, but looking here as an example (gore warning), probably not, although context may be present in the case where it "does" happen.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Thing, i don't see any effects there besides the dude getting his chest cut and then evaporing, unless this was some kind of air slash.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, from what I can see, and what the profile says, it seems to be that, as it appears Drac has Air Manip, but I would rather wait for the one that did the profile before jumping to conclusions.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

lastmlg makes sense.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Hellbeast]

While we're here can we adress 5-A's issues?

 

[Bobsican]

While we're here can we adress 5-A's issues?

Can you explain?

 

[Hellbeast]

The 5-A seems to come solely from Zobek making an eclipse

The problems here are

• It's an outlier since the feats are consistently tectonic
• the feat was performed by an artefact, not Zobek himself so its unknown if it even scales to him

 

[Bobsican]

Then yeah, a downgrade is coming as well.
What's the next best feat?

 

[Hellbeast]

The consistent Multi-Continent stuff on thge page and his big dura feat at the start of the second game
He should also probably get a key for Gabriel Belmont but thats something else

 

[Bobsican]

I've notified yesterday the user that did the page, @Ryuga21, and he has yet to reply, if he doesn't come in soon I guess we can proceed just doing the changes accordingly out of a lack of stuff backing it up.

 

[Ryuga21]

First of all, there is no outlier (Unless you deeply misrepresent).

The characters are full of planetary quotes, about turning the planet into ashes with all the words (Which is directly linked to the pulverization of the earth).

Leviathan has a quote like that, Leviathan is a slave to Satan, who in turn is vastly inferior to Dracula. The Forgotten One has several times being quoted to turn the planet into ashes, and leaving the planet in a state that there would be nowhere for someone to exist.

Anything done on Tier 5 or above is definitely not an outlier.

Second, if Zobek created the artifact with his magic power, and that artifact has the power to move the moon, explain to me why he wouldn't scale the energy generated by something that he himself applied his power to do so.

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About the thread itself.

1. Enemies when they are killed by Dracula in gameplay actually turn to dust, but that doesn't happen in cutscenes. The Forgotten One turned to dust after being killed by Dracula's attack in a cutscene, for this reason I classified it as Matter manip.

2. Dracula was weakened in the real world, but within his own dimension, he was the one who got stronger, enough to block the apostle's lightning. The apostle's own speech also indicates that his power has been weakened in some way ("Inside here my power is pathetic").

 

[Hellbeast]

First of all, there is no outlier (Unless you deeply misrepresent).

The characters are full of planetary quotes, about turning the planet into ashes with all the words (Which is directly linked to the pulverization of the earth).

Leviathan has a quote like that, Leviathan is a slave to Satan, who in turn is vastly inferior to Dracula. The Forgotten One has several times being quoted to turn the planet into ashes, and leaving the planet in a state that there would be nowhere for someone to exist.

Anything done on Tier 5 or above is definitely not an outlier.

Literally every statement you provided is multi continental because there’s nothing saying theyll destroy the planet itself

Hell even the phrasing of “turn the world to ash” is consistent with multi continent power

Second, if Zobek created the artifact with his magic power, and that artifact has the power to move the moon, explain to me why he wouldn't scale the energy generated by something that he himself applied his power to do so.

Because
1) he didn’t do it himself
2) while he created it we have no idea how long this took or how he did it
It’s like saying humans are Tier 7 for making nukes when that’s not the case

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About the thread itself.

1. Enemies when they are killed by Dracula in gameplay actually turn to dust, but that doesn't happen in cutscenes. The Forgotten One turned to dust after being killed by Dracula's attack in a cutscene, for this reason I classified it as Matter manip.

I think that might be Limited Deconstruction or some mechanism of his enemies.

 

[Bobsican]

I think that might be Limited Deconstruction or some mechanism of his enemies.

Or just (and most likely) a game mechanic, enemies vanishing like this in-game is a pretty normal videogame trope for several reasons such as not compromising performance over such a minor detail, especially on games with a ton of stuff going on like here.
Per how the move goes on the Forgotten One, it seems to not fit the standards to qualify as Deconstruction out of a lack of content backing that idea up, as said before.

I also agree with the rest Hellbeast said.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Zencha9]

Don't really see how that's an outlier really
But it doesn't seem to scale anyway so it doesn't matter

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

If no better justifications are brought up, the respective content can be removed accordingly.

2. Dracula was weakened in the real world, but within his own dimension, he was the one who got stronger, enough to block the apostle's lightning. The apostle's own speech also indicates that his power has been weakened in some way ("Inside here my power is pathetic").

Also, regarding this, as it seems it wasn't addressed before, he should just have Statistics Amplification, and Statistics Reduction while in that place, although maybe by a low degree, as it seems minor enought to still have to struggle a bit in fights to those otherwise just comparable to him.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?