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Castlevania Discussion Thread: Simon's Quest

Remember, spoiler tag your messages if you guys plan on talking about season 2
 
Just finished the season

I'll admit, I didn't really see Drolta's betrayal and Bathory dying like that coming though the backstory parts started to pile up to show Bathory wasn't really the one calling the shots.

Speaking of them, reborn Drolta is very busted, on par with a 300 years old Alucard and she can now control her hair/appendages, walk in broad sunlight and create weapons and turn her limbs into them. Drolta is also 1000 years old. After she drinks Bathory's blood, she becomes Sekhmet herself (though incomplete). At that point, she's strong enough that Alucard has to give his all and be very serious, with eyes getting red and all. At that point, she's also capable of regenerating her sliced off forearm in seconds and unleashes a wave of energy that freezes Alucard and Richter in the air while they were lunging onto her. She can also project red energy.

Bathory isn't an interesting villain, far from Dracula of course or even Death from the first series (still my favorite character in this verse) but in battle, she's busted. Girl takes countless strikes from magic, whip, elemental powers, a frickin dragon and she keeps going, she's super acrobatics, suplexes the dragon several times, can project red energy and red-and-black flames, create barriers, deflect energy beams and cause immense shockwaves and an overwhelming aura. She resists possed by Sekhmet Annette attempt to unite their soul so she should get Willpower Manipulation (since her will allowed her to overcome Sekhmet's) and Soul Manipulation. Still don't know if her ability to summon eclipses can be used for a tier though, the season does confirm it's not the first time however. It takes Richter, Annette and her creatures and Juste supported by possessed Annette trying to take control Sekhmet soul (Bathory has two parts at this point) to defeat her.

Juste regains his magic in episode 4 and boy, does he pack up raw power. Fire beams, balls and flamethrower-like attacks, ice shields, knives, spikes, floating platforms,, golden electricity. Dude doesn't even use weapons anymore, only spells, his arsenal is even more diverse than Richter's and much more destructive.

Speaking of Alucard, he now has the ability to create a flaming meteor/ball of magma from his cape, can teleport in beams of light and has magical daggers that emit blue energy and that he can somehow recover no matter how far he throws them. He can also turn into a swarm of bats (though I don't remember if he could in the first series). Sekhmet Drolta holds her own and manages to hold his magma ball and redirect it to Richter but with difficulties.

Maria is now capable of summoning dark monsters and even a dragon she can ride. She has a lot of trouble at first because summoning them necessitates negative emotions and it's stated it can corrupt her. It's also implied she's basically corrupting her normal creatures into monstruous forms. Near the end of the season, she's much better at controlling them and can command them without much difficulties.

Richter is basically the same but a stronger version. During the final battle, he covers his hands with ice and deflect Alucard's magma ball after it was thrown to him by Drolta. After Sekhmet's soul left Drolta's body, he tanks a brutal punch to the face from her (spitting some blood aside with a defiant look) and punches her with his magic, causing blue fractures to appear on her body, and can react to her appendages and strikes, even avoiding some of them without moving from his spot, just tilting his head. Eventually, Alucard hands him his sword and when he takes it, the blade becomes charged with blue energy and becomes much thicker (can't remember what it references but it looks like the Moonlight Sword from the Fromsoftware games) and slices Drolta in half, the impact being so strong it even slices a tower or building part.

And feats aside, Old Man Coyote really intrigues me. It's heavily implied he's a demon (one of his names is Mephistopheles after all), if not Satan himself but some theorize he might be a reborn Death. I would love if it it was the case.
 
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So yeah I think we can safely argue that anyone empowered by Sekhmet would physically scale to the eclipse, not only do we have confirmation that this wasn't the first time she did this, but it does physically tax her body so it does imply her strength has some involvement when the eclipse occurs, though holy ******* shit did I not expect Alucard when he's actually trying to match 2/3rds of Sekhmet's power, speaking of, jesus ******* christ all of the shit Juste did with the item crashes in the games, Maria's summons, Alucard FINALLY doing Dark Inferno, and the tag team of Alucard and Richter made this season so ******* hype. I have a feeling Old Man Coyote might either be Death reborn since he keeps showing up where death occurs, or he might be chaos incarnate, though it being Satan might also be possible. Overall this season was a big step up from the first, especially with pacing since they at least paced Drolta and Erzebeth's backstories better than they did with Annete and Eduoard last season. Hopefully the team continues on with season 3 and we might get to see a Symphony of the Night timeskip with these characters.
 
Going to make a blog for Juste. I wonder how Bathory's tier will translate.

Should it be something like "At least High 8-C, likely 5-A"? With the sheer number of people who can harm her, the upgrade would be impressive for the verse
 
It should be noted that while powerful, Sekhmet Drolta is visibly weaker than Bathory was. Erzsebet took the bombardment of Richter, Alucard, Juste, and Maria to take down and even then, it was with the help of Sekhmet's first soul interferring with the battle and weakening her. By contrast, Drolta is fought by by just Richter and Alucard, both of whom just got out of very intense battles and so Richter at least should be tired by her previous fight, and this time without Sekhmet interferring. She still puts up a tough fight and manages to seriously endanger them but she's also clearly weaker than empowered Erzsebet.

Also note that Drolta is implied (or stated, can't remember exactly) to have lived around the time of the New Kingdom era in Egypt, basically making her about, or possibly even over 3,000 years old.
 
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I feel like we’d probably need some calcs with the building destruction in the final fight that involved Drolta so we’d have some idea on where her base night creature scaling would be, but Alucard specifically wasn’t even tired during the final fight, he barely exhausted himself against Drolta and all the vampire killing was just casual, he only pushed himself when he had to fight Sekhmet. There is one important thing to note in regards to Drolta, I’d argue she still has some leftover traces of Sekhmet in her because the moment Richter killed her, the eclipse immediately started to part away, which would imply that some part of the eclipse power still lingered even when Sekhmet’s 3 parts went back to the realm of the gods.
 
I do wonder a couple things, because we have some decent resistance showings like Richter being able to fight Sekhmet’s paralysis, Sekhmet Erzebet being able to withstand her soul being pulled apart and deconstructing from the blood (which does make me wonder if she can resist devil forgemaster magic akin to Carmilla, but Richter with his magic was literally shattering Drolta apart, and she couldn’t heal from any of the strikes and her body kept cracking. I think we could argue that Richter and Juste (and he’ll probably any speaker magic) that they have deconstruction with their magic.

One other thing that caught my eye was that Alucard’s dark inferno matched Sekhmet Drolta in physical strength, who should be stronger than the 1/3rd Drolta who caused the eclipse, and richter had to volleyball hit the meteor with his fist and magic, so whatever lifting strength Sekhmet gets should scale to Richter and Alucard.
 
Theglassman12 said:
I do wonder a couple things, because we have some decent resistance showings like Richter being able to fight Sekhmet’s paralysis, Sekhmet Erzebet being able to withstand her soul being pulled apart and deconstructing from the blood (which does make me wonder if she can resist devil forgemaster magic akin to Carmilla, but Richter with his magic was literally shattering Drolta apart, and she couldn’t heal from any of the strikes and her body kept cracking. I think we could argue that Richter and Juste (and he’ll probably any speaker magic) that they have deconstruction with their magic.

One other thing that caught my eye was that Alucard’s dark inferno matched Sekhmet Drolta in physical strength, who should be stronger than the 1/3rd Drolta who caused the eclipse, and richter had to volleyball hit the meteor with his fist and magic, so whatever lifting strength Sekhmet gets should scale to Richter and Alucard.
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About Richter deconstructing Drolta, it seems to me Erzsebet didn't start to crack simply because she was actually stronger than Drolta. Again, Erzsebet takes almost all protagonists in the series + Sekhmet's third soul interferring with the fight to defeat whereas Drolta "only" took Alucard and Richter. I guess you could say Alucard had to be more serious but the difference is pretty blatant. So yeah, Bathory probably has some resistance to deconstruction.

Alucard matched Sekhmet Drolta even without Dark Inferno anyway so the spell does obviously scales to her
 
Theglassman12 said:
I feel like we’d probably need some calcs with the building destruction in the final fight that involved Drolta so we’d have some idea on where her base night creature scaling would be, but Alucard specifically wasn’t even tired during the final fight, he barely exhausted himself against Drolta and all the vampire killing was just casual, he only pushed himself when he had to fight Sekhmet. There is one important thing to note in regards to Drolta, I’d argue she still has some leftover traces of Sekhmet in her because the moment Richter killed her, the eclipse immediately started to part away, which would imply that some part of the eclipse power still lingered even when Sekhmet’s 3 parts went back to the realm of the gods.
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Agreed, Drolta slicing columns in the second episode and the destruction in the final battle should get calced, though I guess we can have a basis from Alucard's current Higher 8-C tier and upscale them from there since Alucard is clearly stronger after centuries (I mean, he can use Dark Inferno now)
 
Sekhmet should potentially get the blood resistance too given it literally kills anyone who drinks its blood, this probably would scale to Annette too, though now that I think about it, we could potentially argue that Dracula and to some extent Alucard can resist Speaker magic given the former tanks it just fine and Dracula flat out said "I'm no simple vampire to be felled by your human magics", so there's a possibility of more resistance there.

I'm not just talking about Alucard physically being comparable to her, I'm focusing on the fact his lifting strength is flat out comparable to her with sekhmet's power due to the dark inferno clash, which is similar to how dracula is superior to Sypha flying the giant pillar of ice like its nothing, so by default their lifting strength has more concrete evidence of buffing to planetary levels of strength.
 
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Trevor may only scale if you become really generous on how Death scales and if you assume Alucard didn't get stronger from the centuries that passed, Dracula it depends on how his prime was even treated as, so that's up in the air.
 
So I figured to list off all the new shit we got for the cast in this season, and maybe whatever we have in season 1 given we haven't gone through the nocturne revisions, I’ll update it down the line if there’s anything I missed.
Richter
Limited flight with his magic
Deconstruction and possibly regeneration negation (given what he did to Drolta at the finale) which this might be cross scalable to all of the speaker magicians given he's using their magic when fighting her.
Resistance to paralysis inducement
Planetary LS with the volleyball thing he does.
More heat resistance since his ice can withstand a sun goddess’ heat.

Alucard
Energy projections with his knives
Teleportation and Magma manipulation with dark inferno
Rage empowerment with his red eyes state
Resistance to deconstruction given he should scale to Dracula being unfazed by speaker magic to not falling apart like Drolta.
Full scaling to the eclipse.

Erzebeth
Resistance to all elements and deconstruction as she withstood and absorbed speaker magic with no harm back in season 1.
Resistance to soul manipulation with her fighting off Sekhmet’s powers.
Resistance to whatever the hell Sekhmet’s blood does to the drinker.
Possible resistance to Possession given Erzebeth was still herself when she had Sekhmet’s powers, where Annette was fully possessed by her.
Telekinesis with her sending cannon shots to buildings with a gesture.
Full scaling to the eclipse

Drolta
Similar resistances to Erzebeth though deconstruction not on the same level given what happened to her.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Trevor may only scale if you become really generous on how Death scales and if you assume Alucard didn't get stronger from the centuries that passed, Dracula it depends on how his prime was even treated as, so that's up in the air.
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I'm feeling very generous personally if that means Death can have such a big upgrade 👀
 
Anyone who is working on Annette shouldn't forget to give her Non-Physical interaction give that she she can see souls/spirts and interact with them
 
Edited Annette's blog with the proposed stuff. Also edited her stamina (from High to Superhuman). Gonna start a Juste blog
 
Found a good render for Nocturne Alucard on the Heroes wiki


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Alucard (Netflix's Castlevania)

✔ Adrian Ţepeş, better known as Alucard, is the tritagonist of Netflix's 2017 animated dark fantasy series Castlevania and one of the two tritagonists (alongside Maria Renard) in its 2023 sequel, Castlevania: Nocturne, both of which are based on the video game franchise of the same name. He is...
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Looks good, I wonder if there's any good Juste or Annette renders to use (or if the artists behind the show can drop another artbook to make it easier to find).
 
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Looks good, I wonder if there's any good Juste or Annette renders to use (or if the artists behind the show can drop another artbook to make it easier to find).
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Considering I intend to make their profile, it would be extremely useful for me yes
 
Why does nobody ever consider to try starting a series with the first entry bruh

In terms of Classicvania's I'd personally recommend Super Castlevania IV, it's def the easiest one (But it still will kick your ass in later stages) so that can help ease into the other Classicvanias, for the Igavanias I think Portrait of Ruin is a nice starting off point for similar reasons to SC4, and for the 3D games I dunno, Curse of Darkness for it's kickass ost (No shade to lament but I think it's one of the overall weaker soundtracks in the series).
 
@EL_xWatcher1234x For metroidvanias, the GBA games and DS games and SOTN are where you should look into. For the classic games, Super Castlevania 4, Rondo of Blood/Dracula X Chronicles or Bloodlines are a good start, or if you want to start hardcore then finish the NES trilogy first.
 
Don't know how difficult Dead Cells or Blasphemous are, but Castlevania 3 Dracula's Curse has the most bullshit difficulty in the series with you getting 4 shotted by medusa heads while having to deal with constant moving screens that can instant kill you, Order of Ecclesia's the hardest metroidvania games given how cracked the bosses can get in terms of their attack patterns and damage output.
 
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Don't know how difficult Dead Cells or Blasphemous are, but Castlevania 3 Dracula's Curse has the most bullshit difficulty in the series with you getting 4 shotted by medusa heads while having to deal with constant moving screens that can instant kill you, Order of Ecclesia's the hardest metroidvania games given how cracked the bosses can get in terms of their attack patterns and damage output.
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Haunted Castle makes Castle 3 look like kindergarten, my friend, got my ass kicked and never went past level 2 or 3 lol
 
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I lowkey keep forgetting haunted castle exists (which does remind me I gotta get the Dominus collection)
 
We can pretty much make ones for

Maria, Annette, Juste, Erzebet, Drolta, Olrox, Tera, Mizrak ig (If you really want to), Idk if people wnana make a separate profile for Sekhmet

Richter and Alucard are gonna need revisions too obv
 
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