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Hi.
Have I made a thread for this before? Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. I don't remember.
Anyway: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Death_(Castlevania)
The scans for his Abstract Existence are four:
The first scan has abysmal resolution, but it's a quote that goes as follows: "He is Death. Death portrays utter fear. That is to say, he is the absolute presence. The time(?), the religion, and the dark god. Of course, those who oppose a god never survive." This is just a bunch of nebulous titles that don't mean anything either by themselves or with the added context that he is the embodiment of Death. (Unless one wants to argue that apparently Death is also the concept of "religion").
The second is just saying that Death's appointed role is to govern the end of all living things. It's really just general "He is the grim reaper" stuff, which doesn't necessitate Type 1 Abstract Existence. Reminder that this ability doesn't entail that the character is just identified with an abstraction in some way, but that they are nothing but the pure abstraction in question, as opposed to an embodiment, an incarnation, or anything of the sort. Merely being stated to "be" the abstract thing in some respect is nowhere near enough evidence, since embodying, incarnating, personifying, etc, too, are ways of being a thing without implying sufficient identity with it to warrant Type 1.
Third and fourth fall under the same bucket as the second. I suppose the idea here is that the way in which Death is referred to and objectified in the dialogue ("This thing called 'Death'") supports the interpretation that he is Death pure and simple. As said above, though, there are various ways in which one can "be" an abstract thing, so a mere statement of identity like that isn't enough. Type 1 is a rather specific thing.
To be even more pointedly clear about this: Type 1 Abstract Existence entails that the core identity of the character lies in the abstraction itself, and that whatever forms they take which aren't the abstraction (be those corporeal or not) are just appendages or avatars that they manifest for themselves and use like puppets, or clothing, or ornaments. This is very clearly not the case with Castlevania Death, ofc: Here in Lament of Innocence for instance, he explicitly refers to himself as dying when Leon defeats his physical form, meaning that the physical being we face is pretty clearly Death full stop, not an avatar or manifestation or projection of Death however understood. This ofc is what we might call the positive case for why Death shouldn't have Type 1 AE, but even disregarding it, the evidence in the profile doesn't suffice, and so it should be removed either way.
So, yeah, chop chop.
Have I made a thread for this before? Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. I don't remember.
Anyway: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Death_(Castlevania)
The scans for his Abstract Existence are four:
- https://gyazo.com/f3c69f71624479de4e3c2953527a5d37
- https://gyazo.com/eeeb7653e5ae082b3753e7ff27265c4b
The first scan has abysmal resolution, but it's a quote that goes as follows: "He is Death. Death portrays utter fear. That is to say, he is the absolute presence. The time(?), the religion, and the dark god. Of course, those who oppose a god never survive." This is just a bunch of nebulous titles that don't mean anything either by themselves or with the added context that he is the embodiment of Death. (Unless one wants to argue that apparently Death is also the concept of "religion").
The second is just saying that Death's appointed role is to govern the end of all living things. It's really just general "He is the grim reaper" stuff, which doesn't necessitate Type 1 Abstract Existence. Reminder that this ability doesn't entail that the character is just identified with an abstraction in some way, but that they are nothing but the pure abstraction in question, as opposed to an embodiment, an incarnation, or anything of the sort. Merely being stated to "be" the abstract thing in some respect is nowhere near enough evidence, since embodying, incarnating, personifying, etc, too, are ways of being a thing without implying sufficient identity with it to warrant Type 1.
Third and fourth fall under the same bucket as the second. I suppose the idea here is that the way in which Death is referred to and objectified in the dialogue ("This thing called 'Death'") supports the interpretation that he is Death pure and simple. As said above, though, there are various ways in which one can "be" an abstract thing, so a mere statement of identity like that isn't enough. Type 1 is a rather specific thing.
To be even more pointedly clear about this: Type 1 Abstract Existence entails that the core identity of the character lies in the abstraction itself, and that whatever forms they take which aren't the abstraction (be those corporeal or not) are just appendages or avatars that they manifest for themselves and use like puppets, or clothing, or ornaments. This is very clearly not the case with Castlevania Death, ofc: Here in Lament of Innocence for instance, he explicitly refers to himself as dying when Leon defeats his physical form, meaning that the physical being we face is pretty clearly Death full stop, not an avatar or manifestation or projection of Death however understood. This ofc is what we might call the positive case for why Death shouldn't have Type 1 AE, but even disregarding it, the evidence in the profile doesn't suffice, and so it should be removed either way.
So, yeah, chop chop.
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